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Ok...I have a question to those in this thread. Why do we have a 10 page thread on an NFC teams contract negotiants with their TE? I dont ask that in a pompous way, but I dont want to read 10 pages of debate of the value of someone else's TE either. So whats the reason? Is there speculation that he is available...that Bills could be interested? I mean I dont get the length of discussion of some random teams contract with a TE. So is there more to this, or did this particular convo just run long for some other reason?

Im ok with Pitt and Dallas being ranked ahead of us...I dont entirely agree, but its not aggregious, both have great rosters right now and both have QB's most people on the outside see as more established and better as of today (before the season begins). Personally, I think us, Dallas and Pitt (assuming Big Ben is healthy all year) are all playoff teams without question...barring injuries of course. So, however they rank that group of 3 is like splitting hairs IMO. But Raiders? Look, I dont think the Raiders are a bad team...they may even surprise this year and be a challenger for the wildcard. But they are not a playoff lock, and there is no way in hell they are a better team right now before the season begins than the Bills. Its just not even debatable. They are not a top 10 team...they could be a top 10 team, we wont know until the season begins. But based on what we know today, they are not deserving of being ranked in the top 10 nor ahead of us. We on the other hand are certainly a top 10 team. In fact, I would have no issue if he simply swapped our position with the Raiders position.

Im not the biggest believer in Dak...in terms of the money he wants. Is he a good starter, sure, he is a starter in this league. But do I think he is a championship quality QB...not so sure. In his best seasons, the Cowboys have under performed. Jameis Winston led the NFL in passing last year...hes a backup. So stat totals don't impress me, how you lead your team on the field is where I start at when it comes to top end money. Allen doesn't have that stat sheet yet that Dak has, but he also has not had as much time in the league nor the same quality of weapons and blocking around him until what looks like this next year. Josh has been rapidly ascending and has all the tools, better tools, than even Dak does. The ceiling on Josh is a lot higher IMO because he has more gifts and to me has shone to be a much better leader on and off the field and he only gets better when the game is on the line. So I would concede that Dak is more advanced as a passer last year than Allen, but I think Allen is more than on his way and I would bet on Allen 10 times out of 10 than trade him and over pay Dak. Not to mention, Allen was built to play in Buffalo, every inch of him. And if I am being honest, if the Bills called Dallas and offered Allen straight up for Dak...I think they would jump on it in a heartbeat and take on a guy with a rookie deal who has more upside than the current guy on the roster looking for a max deal.

Found the link:

109 QB rating on 20+ yard throws to Brown. Now add Diggs. He’s gonna be alright.

Is this you way of trying to discredit the factual information I provided in the other Josh Allen thread where we made our bet? You know, the info that showed Josh Allens QB rating on the deep ball last season? For those who dont know: Josh Allen throwing 20+ yards to John Brown had over a 109 QB rating! Josh Allen throwing 20+ yards to anyone else had a measly 21 QB rating! That is a clear indicator that given it was a list of backups and scrubs opposite Brown, that talent at WR in going after deep balls definitely plays a role in the timing and connection rate between them and their QB. I mean the date is pretty clear as day on this. The real answer is QB and WR greatly affect each other. But I think our specific data on our own team, which is what we should all be talking about, shows that Allen had a high degree of success on the deeper throws to a guy who is a good deep route WR and struggled to connect with the guys that are no more than deep depth WR's or scrubs. CANT WAIT TO SEE HIM THROW DEEP TO BOTH BROWN AND NOW DIGGS! Gonna be sweet when I collect my hundo from you too haha.

I would definitely agree with this assessment, and I also think it has to do with Daboll too and also Josh continuing to mature as a field general. But, of all the areas of coaching, this IMHO is the easiest area to improve and it just comes with time on the field and learning from each situation. McD strikes as a very bright mind and intellectual thinker, so I have pretty high confidence he will keep growing in this regard. And worst case scenario, assistant HC or other assistant roles can be brought in to help mitigate the issues as well in these areas. But I am confident McD will keep improving. Not to mention, at the end of the day, the personnel on the field matter a lot in this regard in properly executing the strategies, and we haven't had a complete roster yet until really this upcoming season for McD.

Last time I checked, 30 TDs was 30 TDs. Hes a dual threat weapon in a league that just saw a dual threat QB win MVP. Allen was second ONLY to Lamar last year from week 5 to end of season in scoring. That was after he openly admitted he had to adjust his game after the week 4 NE game. He put up 21 TDs and only 3 Turnovers over that span. You are severely undervaluing him. Not to mention...9 new starters, rotation on the OL that didnt settle all year, and a league leading drops by his receivers, another group that was all new to him and changed all year long. And just his 2nd season. Allen had a 109 rating throwing deep to John Brown and a 21 QB rating throwing deep to everyone else. What do you think Diggs, the leagues number 1 deep ball WR and number 1 contested catch WR is going to do for Allen and that deep ball? What do you think Diggs is going to do for opening up John Brown more and Cole? Not to mention how it will help Knox and the RB's coming out of the backfield? Sorry man, you have been under selling Allen for a while. There is a LOT more to love here than you give him credit for. Not to mention, how clutch he has been and how many big positive strides he has taken in small periods of time since he last stepped foot on a Wyoming football field. To be honest, I am not really sure any GM would take Tua over Allen, I am just assuming some would given the amount of bad GMs out there.

I agree...I am not sure more the 2 or 3 would take Tua over Allen, and wouldn't surprise me if none did. I was just granting him the benefit of the doubt someone would because there are some pretty stupid GM's out there.

I would bet less than 10 teams in the NFL would choose Tua over Allen right now today. Allen showed great strides and people who know football are high on Allen. There are some GM's that may not be sold, but I don't think its many and its probably none of the good ones.

You are also ignoring that Allen scored the 6th most TDs last year despite starting and finishing just 14 games. He was one of the highest rated passers in the entire 4th quarter. Has the most game winning comebacks in the 4th in the NFL over his 2 years in the NFL, again after missing or not finishing 6 games. And he put up 30 TDs last year despite playing with NINE new starters on offense. Want another fun stat to show how bad his supporting cast was in the deep game struggles: Allen throwing deep 20+ yards to Brown had a 109 QB rating! Allen throwing deep 20+ yards to everyone else had a 21 QB rating! Despite the short comings of his WR group, the NFL leading Bills in dropped passes, 9 new starters on offense, including rookies, an ever shifting OL with Ford moving around...the kid STILL put up 30 TDs in 14 and some change games, led us to 10 wins, tied for most comeback wins, and got us to the playoffs in just his 2nd season. Comparing him to Sanchez is utterly ridiculous.

I already answered that and you IGNORED IT. Wyoming is IRRELEVANT now on how Allen projects to the NFL because he has ALREADY played 2 seasons. UTTERLY STUPID to go back to Wyoming and use that as a comparison for Allen. We already KNOW what he can DO in the REAL NFL. There is no make believe here, he just put up the 6th most TDs in the entire NFL in his 2nd year despite only starting and finishing 14 games. I dont even know how this doesnt make sense to you. For reals man LMFAO

Josh Allen stats on the deep ball in 2019 on throws over 20+ yards: Throwing to John Brown: Passer rating is 109! Throwing to everyone not named John Brown: Passer rating 21! I keep saying it, his deep ball issues had a LOT to do with personnel. He was pretty darn good throwing it to Brown, especially down the stretch. I said MANY times, while he had issues with it, his deep ball got a LOT better down the stretch, especially as he got more comfortable with Brown. Now add in Diggs, the number 1 rated deep ball catcher in the NFL...the number 1 contested ball catcher in the NFL...and people here don't think Allens deep ball and accuracy are not going to improve? Not to mention expected growth from our TE's and easier assignments for Brown and Cole with Diggs drawing more attention away from them. Hahahaha, that is just comical to me. And I cant wait to collect my $100 gentleman's bet from @TwistofFate thats been confirmed in this thread an in DM's as well.

Huh? Allen has 2 years of NFL tape...why are we talking college comparisons with Allen and Tua? Allen is a rapidly ascending 2 year veteran who amassed 30 TD's, a double digit win season, and a playoff birth in his 2nd year in the league. Do any of you even realize that Allen was SIXTH in the entire NFL in touchdowns? And in just his 2nd season, while only starting and finishing 14 games last year, with 9 new starters, and utter scrubs opposite Brown at WR, with a team that led the league in dropped passes. Not to mention, leads the NFL since entering the league in 4th quarter comeback wins (despite missing all or parts of 6 games over that span) where he was one of the highest rated passers in the whole NFL in the 4th quarter as well. So...who cares about Wyoming? Not even relevant in a comparison.

The only reasonable debate is Allen vs Darnold. I would take and prefer Allen (even did so on Draft night as I had Allen narrowly number 2 over Darnold and behind Baker). I think Allen has that clutch gene, that leadership gene, and that extra edge to go with all his talents. But Darnold has a ton of upside too and showed real promise himself. So I think its a valid case to be made for one or the other narrowly edging out a higher ranking. But, Tua is a joke...as in all rookies are a joke to rank over a QB who just amasses 30 TD's in his 2nd season and led his team to a double digit win season and a playoff birth, and with 9 new starters on his offense to work with and scrubs playing opposite Brown all season to throw to. Tua could be great...could be a bust...could be mediocre. He has earned noting at this point other than its not unreasonable to rank him above almost equally unproven Stidham based on potential alone. But to rank him over a rapidly ascending 2 year vertaran QB coming off 30 TDs and a playoff birth is utterly irresponsible.

Do I love Levy. Yes, very much so. BUT...if I remove my homer glasses, he is over rated. He squandered a roster FULL of HOF players and couldn't win the big game. The end game play calling alone against the Giants is a black mark as much as the missed FG is. He was out coached in all 4 Super Bowls...just flat out was. He was up against 3 of the greatest HC's of all time, and also one DC that would become the GOAT ever at HC and DC. So no shame in that, not like he was out coached by some weak HC that had the luxury of a great roster. But, none the less, he wasn't able to close the deal even against a mediocre backup QB despite having the superior roster. I have an unpopular opinion. Its going to get crapped on left and right the moment I say it. BUT...5 years from now, I am supremely confident I will be proven right. That is: Sean McDermott will end his tenure in Buffalo some time way down the road being known as the best HC is Buffalo history. Is he there now, no he doesn't have the resume just yet. But I strongly feel we are going to win a Super Bowl in the next 5 years, and once we do, he will catapult his way to the top. I think McD is on his way as being one of the best HC's of this next generation. From how he built the culture, how he commands respect, how he commands discipline, how he helps players be their best selves, but all the while still being a players coach. Thats a rare trait in a coach. Most players coaches resemble the Rex Ryan's and dont have discipline, balance, culture, etc. Being fully transparent, McD today reminds me of a young Bill Belichick. The guy with a great defensive mind, but also knows he needs the offense to go with it and has been very vocal about building a team to score more points. But most importantly, the guy who knows how to get the most out of players, how to build a team first culture above all else. To find the right fits for his culture and system. I know he has to prove a lot more before earning a true comparison to BB, but he really reminds me of that young BB. I don't know he will reach the same accolades BB and the Pats did as a dynasty, I mean it would be unfair for anyone to have expectations that McD (or any current coach) will leave the NFL as the GOAT. BUT...I do believe he will leave the Bills at some point far down the road as our best HC in team history with a resume to confirm that.

What if Eva Mendes shows up on my patio and begs me to take her in and ravage her and offering to be my sugar mama for life for doing so while my girlfriend is out of town? What if game is fun, if not pointless. Lets just let Josh be Josh first...lets see what he can do on the field. Lets see how he affects wins and losses moving forward. Lets just not ask questions that can not possibly be answered today. #CrossThatBridgeWhenWeGetToIt

Yeah I dont get it. Not to mention, the compensation we paid was the same to move from 21 to 18...where we would have NOT landed one of the top 3, yet still unproven, rookies who all went in top 17. So for anyone whining about compensation cost instead of drafting, doesn't understand draft pick value in the first place and probably shouldn't have a convo with them anyway. Diggs was a great move, he's a great player, with a great contract, is young, and will immediately help Josh and is a top 5 WR in the NFL. Rookies...are rookies and they are all a gamble. Thats like going to the Kentucky Derby and betting heavy on a favorite. They dont always win, and its still a gamble, and when you lose it hurts. Can not wait to see Diggs on the field in B-lo.

Wait...are people still talking about cost of Diggs trade? Lonnnnnng offseason.

Dude you need help remembering. I never said he WAS the guy. That’s a flat out lie. I said he wasn’t as bad as people exaggerated him to be, which he wasn’t, and that fix our defense and we are a playoff team...which McD did and we were. And then I said after the playoff year TT had to be replaced next and entering the draft I had Baker (and i had Baker as the top QB long before anyone else did when people said he wasn’t even a second round pick) and Allen as one and two and told everyone Rosen sucks and Lamar was the real deal and even started a thread about making a case to stay put at 12 and take Lamar versus trading up into the top 5. Sorry I will put my QB resume up against anyone’s. It’s not perfect, i hated the idea of drafting Mahomes at 10, and would have taken Watson over him if we stayed put, but I was all for Mahomes in second. I sure as hell will put my QB resume up against yours anytime. And with just about any other analysis as well. You love to take something someone said, twist it to mean something else, just so you can then attack it even though it’s not even what they said. I mean it’s kind of your MO around here.

I think that is Buffalo Bills syndrome for one. Playoffs? Who cares...thats like getting a participation trophy. Its about winning in the playoffs and winning a Super Bowl. Did you even watch Cousins in the playoffs for the Redskins. He was not good and only got them there once. Cousins has one career playoff win, and it was this year. He is 6-13 in prime time games in his career to boot. I respect the hell out of him for getting as much money as he did, but he has not yet once proven he is worth the investment. Redskins didn't get anywhere with him, Vikings in 2 seasons with a very talented roster have not gone as far as Keenum took them the year before Cousins. So why is he worth $150M over 5 years? Hasn't won in the spotlight or much in the postseason and hasn't elevated the Minnesota team yet after 2 years any higher than where Keenum had them. Why should Washington have built around this guy for the next 5 years and paid him $150M over that span? Had they done that they would still be a 6 to 9 win team at best right now with little to no Super Bowl chances.

Im not saying Dalton is better than Dak...I am saying I dont think the Cowboys are much worse off with Dalton than they are with Dak. I dont think the gap is massive in other words. And again, I was saying bring in Cam to start and they got great insurance for injury still with Dalton. Exactly. And Allen isnt asking for $35M a year today. Nor would I be for giving it to him either. Is Allen asking for $35M a year and I missed it?

Its like you just skim and reply without actually reading when you say things like this. I mean I literally have said Kirk is better than Keenum... But what I was actually pointing out is that Kirk has not done more than a journeyman did with the same roster, in fact he has done less as a team with similar personal stats as a guy who is NOT good in Keenum. This boards obsession of AUTOMATICALLY assuming any time 2 QB's are mentioned its an automatic talent for talent comparison and you jump right to that. What I ACTUALLY said in every post is that DESPITE Kirk being the better QB, he can NOT create better RESULTS on the field than WORSE QB's did before him. 2017 Vikings with KEENUM went 13-3 and made the NFCC game. 2018 Vikins and 2019 Vikings with KIRK have seen SIMILAR QB stats with LESS winning and NOT going as far as the crap journeyman QB took them. BOTTOM LINE: As a GM, I am NEVER overpaying a QB if I do NOT believe he can get us to the Super Bowl and win it. What has Kirk ever done to warrant that belief? He was awful in big games and post season in Washington, like embarrassingly bad at times. They saw him up close and did not see a guy worth investing and building around long term. And what has Kirk done sing getting to Minnesota to prove that wrong? Since getting to Minnesota, he has not elevated that team any higher than they were before he got there either despite having a better roster there than he had in Washington. And he is playing at about the same level statistically as a bad QB did while winning less.

Let me see here Gunner...you responded with a SINGLE years roster to refute what I said about his overall career in Cincy? Come on man. How does that make sense. And sorry, the current Dallas roster is still better overall. Cowboys are stacked at WR, 2nd best RB in the NFL, solid at TE, and still one of the best, if not the best OL in football with a very talented defense. And you are exaggerating some of those guys. Jones had 800 yards and wouldn't break 1000 yards until 2 years later in 2017 in his 2nd year with Lions (the only time he's ever had 1000 yards in a season) and is over rated. Sanu? Come on dude, he had less than 400 yards receiving and might be the most over rated player I have seen. He is a 3rd option at best at WR. Never reached 900 yards in a season, only broke 700 yards 3 times. Lets not over exaggerate here. Boyd is better than than Marvin. This WR group you just listed isnt even the best WR group Dalton got to play with. And I already said, the only thing he had over his career was consistently good WR group. I would take this years Dallas roster every single time over that 2015 Bengals roster, and its honestly not even a tough choice.

They were better with Case Keenum the year before Kirk Cousins. So you are wrong, they are not pining for those days...they just wish Kirk could do as good a job as crap QB Keenum. Where did I compare the QB talent wise? I said the decision was the same. Neither guy was getting them to the promise land. So you dont over pay the guy you KNOW is not the man. And Kirk has PROVEN that he is NOT anything special by doing the same Keenum did with less results and more talent around him. He has not in anyway shape or form made Minny better than they were the year before him. Do I think Kirk is better QB than Keenum, sure, but the results and performance are not there to support that belief.