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Difference is, I’m not claiming he would sign for this or that like you are. And you are conveniently choosing to ignore his agent saying he would sign to compete as a backup too when he did his workouts. And he isn’t likely asking for $20m for that. You hate him, that’s fine, but stop pushing this dumb narrative that he’s gonna ask for a gazillion dollars. He could, but we also don’t know that and more recent info suggests that’s not the case.

That was a long time ago when he first got out of his contract with Niners. You don’t know what he would really sign for today.

That is why I titled this thread as rumor and speculation only and just an interesting “what if” to discuss. I doubt there is any substance to it and also doubt that they would actually do it even if considering it. I really think BB wants to show he can win with Stidham to kind of snub his nose at Brady. I mean looking at it logically, if they were gonna sign a “vet” to compete with Stidham, why didn’t they sign Dalton when he was free or go sign Newton over Kap whose clearly the better QB with no baggage. So while I agree this is likely never gonna happen, just thought it would be an interesting topic and interesting place for Kap to land if he did now find himself back in the NFL. And make no mistake about it, I do believe Kap should be given another shot by someone. I mean if he doesn’t have anything to offer, you just cut him. But he was good enough to still be playing in the NFL today had the kneeling not interrupted his career. Whether or not he would still be holding on as a starter or would be a backup now like Winston is a legit question, but none the less, he’s good enough to be on a roster had he not been frozen out. I just don’t see the Pats as the team to give him that shot. And honestly, not sure there are really any teams looking to sign another QB right now anyway, especially one that’s been out of the league several years. So odds of him getting that shot remain low IMHO.

There are rumors and speculation. Saw my friends discussing them is how I came across them.

Man you need to read better lol. I said saw some friends discussing the “rumors” online. I literally said in my title “rumor and speculation only”. Then wrote this as a “what if” question only. Yet here you are mocking I heard from Pats friends? Are you capable of participating in any convo with out opening with a smart a** comment? Asking for a friend...

So I got several Pats fan friends on social media talking about the rumors and speculation that the Pats could sign Kap. And all of them are hoping it happens surprisingly. Me: I don’t think so. I think BB really wants to try and do his latest Matt Cassel like job of taking a guy who is basically unknown and unheralded young QB and prove he can win still without a “Tom Brady”. Just my opinion of course. BUT...what if they did sign Kap and let him battle for the starting job? Seems some recent polls show majority of Pats fans would support this. From a story perspective, I think this would be interesting to watch. Get him back in and on a huge stage. Be a great message in our climate for one, and a great opportunity for Kap in terms of how he could get back in the league. As a Bills fan, I’d be stoked to see Pats have another distraction to go with the “Life after Brady” distraction haha. So what are your thoughts? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/20200606/daniels-poll-majority-of-patriots-fans-in-favor-of-bringing-on-colin-kaepernick-to-qb-competition%3ftemplate=ampart

Dude come one...you said "they kneeled for endorsements" and then validate that because ONE guy who knelt got an endorsement deal 2 years later that was far LESS than what his NFL contract would have earned him over his career? Then you say that was his plan? Wow dude...just wow man. Look, no disrespect, but thats so absurd in logic, I dont honestly know what else to say.

Man, I was with you on the first 2 sentences...then it tailed off into a puzzling direction. They did not kneel to get endorsements, how can you even suggest that to be true? They lost all their endorsements from kneeling and even lost jobs. Not sure what you are talking about here, this seems to be a bit short sighted. Did Nike eventually turn the corner and decide to support the movement and Colin, yes. But there was a lot more lost than gained through kneeling before that happened and Colin would have made a LOT more money had he never kneeled. He did not do any of this, nor did the other players, for money. This is what I don't get...when people change the value of the message based on how much money you perceive they make. Do you even know the amount of pain, work, and sacrifice it takes for an athlete to reach the highest levels of sports? It just bothers me so much when people automatically pass judgements on athletes because of what they fought their whole life for to earn and achieve...what they worked, bled, sweated, and battled through pain to achieve. An NFL roster spot is one of the rarest career options in the world, only the best of the best make it and over 99% of those who dream of it will fail to get there. And furthermore, Colin had given both his time and millions to kids and his local communtiies before he ever started kneeling. He has done more and given more (both before the kneeling and after) than this whole board combined and a lot more than most athletes do. This is why I never agree or understand the backlash he got over "money".

Here is the thing...and why you are very much wrong in this post. You are not wrong in what the anthem means to you. You are not wrong in what you choose to do during the anthem. But you are categorically wrong in feeling everyone one else should share your OPINION and personal experience of what the anthem should mean to them. Its more than ok to believe in standing for the anthem, but I am willing to bet you don't stand for the anthem at home or at bars and only do at live games like 99% of the people who are upset at not standing during the anthem. Again, nothing wrong with that either. But, its also more than ok for someone to have a different experience of the anthem and the issues that still are present in our country for minority individuals. Its more than ok for someone to feel change needs to happen, and see the anthem as a way peacefully express their voice for that change to social injustice. Not everyone thinks about the military when they hear the anthem, nor is that the purpose of the anthem. Not everyone feels the anthem and its lyrics properly represent the modern country given there are still oppressive lyrics in the song that are hurtful to those of color. Just like how people in the south enjoy the confederate flag as a symbol of their heritage because they grew up watching Dukes of Hazard or listening to country music where it was prevalent. Doesn't change the fact that the confederate flag was actually the symbol of a political party that was fighting for the right to keep slaves and legally Lynch black folks. And to the black community, the flag and symbols carry that darker connection. What Drew Brees said wasn't terrible by any means, he was honest about what the anthem means to him and his deep connection to military from his own life experiences, and they were all fine reasons. What he did that was terrible, was PROJECT that connection across everyone else and not feel others have the right to feel differently or express different emotions. His biggest crime was two fold with the second being utterly terrible judgement and timing in sharing his personal take and belief everyone should honor it the way HE does during such an emotionally charged time. So...no disrespect, your personal views for yourself are more than ok. But you projecting to demand others do the same as you would is where you are wrong. There are no rules in life to how people experience things. Everyone has different lenses shaped through lifes experiences. And I bet you have never lost a family member or loved one because of the color of their skin...you were not harassed or arrested because of the color of skin...your people were not enslaved to build this country...your people were not divided in schools, restaurants and busses not that long ago. So you cant ever have the same perspective as a black athlete will have with that very much in their family history and their day to day lives. So rather than hate those whose life has given them to a lens to see something different than you, how about we all try empathy and try and understand why they feel this way and give them the American Right of Freedom of Speech and Expression to make their own decisions and express their voices in their own ways. God bless. PS: I feel like Brees words were not ill willed and his apology was sincere. I do not have an issue with Brees even though I feel strongly that his original statement was a poor decision and lacked any kind of self or social awareness in how it would make him look and affect those around him.

BUT...Drew Brees didn't say anything "wrong", he shared his PERSONAL experience and deep meaning with the anthem and why its important to him to stand. His mistake, was projecting that meaning on to others as if they should feel the same, and his biggest mistake was the poor timing and lack of social awareness. What Fromm said was SUBSTANTIALLY worse and literally quite racist...even if he claims he was joking, which we all know is inevitably coming. Everyone knows Brees isnt racist, but now Fromm appears to believe he is a white elite with special privileges. Plus...Fromm...questionable NFL player at this stage...Brees one of the GOATS with a LONG history of giving and supporting his community which has a rich and deep African American population, culture, and history.

Matt Barkley after opening Twitter today and seeing this trending:

Welcome back to the Buffalo Bills Matt Barkley.

While there was nothing really terrible that Brees said, it was more utterly terrible judgement and timing. Why wasn't it terrible...because the flag means different things to different people. So its ok that it has a deeper significant personal meaning to Brees thats rooted in military service. Just like its ok for other athletes or fans to feel like kneeling was a significant and appropriate peaceful protest for social injustice. Brees crime was poor timing. But I do applaud him for his immediate response and apology for his lack of awareness. I felt it was sincere, and I don't think he is the villain people wanted to make him out to be. Now we can all as a collective world go back to hating Brady and Cheatriots instead of Brees. I think Brees is a good dude that does a lot for his teammates, community, etc.

Except Josh does not have to do any of that to win a Super Bowl. Its not about how much stats your QB puts up, its about how many wins he leads your team too. For years, the most prolific passers in the NFL struggled to even make the playoffs like Rivers, Ryan, Brees, Stafford, etc. Its is NOT about stats. How are you like one the few people who still does NOT get that? Its not about statistical matching, its about the guy doing what needs to be done on the field to get wins. Allen in his first 2 years, with an inferior roster, leads the NFL in comeback wins and is one of the highest rated 4th quarter rated passers in the entire league. And he missed or did not finish 6 games due to injury in that span, and still leads the NFL in this category over his first 2 years. Your obsession with season total stats is exactly why your logic is flawed. Troy Aikman wasn't a prolific passer, but he won and won a lot with a stacked roster like Dak has. You do not have throw for 4800+ yards and 40+ TDs to win a Super Bowl. So sorry, who the hell cares about what you think Allen needs to do to statistically match Dak. Dak also doesnt run like Allen...Allen put up 30 TD's but you are only counting his passing ones, yet the rushing ones count the same on the score board. Just about everything you have said is foolish in your analysis.

Just meant, its at least Bills related and it only got to 11. So was unusual to see a non controversial, non bills player, no bills rival have a thread get to 10 pages. Felt like a 3 page topic, so thought maybe there was some kind of speculation worth exploring that might have been the catalyst. If it was just about Kittle and his contract, wasn't really something I was interested in combing 10 pages for was all.

Come on man, you cant disqualify "obvious" answers. They are factual answers, hence the "obvious". And you already acknowledged and gave me props for advocating to pay Wilson when he was at the same stage of Dak, not the Wilson of today. So you KNOW I am consistent in my answer as you looked it up yourself. And most people here did not want to pay Wilson really when I was saying to pay him, most people said he was just a product of Lynch, which was nonsense. And to answer your question, yes I would feel more comfortable paying Watson. Why...because I dont look at Watson and feel like he is "under achieving" with his team. He has carried that team, especially with weak run support, injuries to his receivers and TE's, injuries to elite players like Watt, and bad OL most his career, etc. And that roster is no where near as talented overall as the Cowboys have had during Daks 4 years. Watson hasn't had a top 5 roster 4 straight years and failed to make the playoffs twice and only won one playoff game. Dak has. Its that simple. Watson has done about as much, or more than Dak with a lesser roster. Watson has reached playoffs in 2 of his 3 years and has one win, and the only time he missed the playoffs was the year he was knocked out for the season mid way as a rookie. Dak has made playoffs twice in 4 years, and has one win. Watson has a lesser roster, and has been more consistent in leading his team and made playoffs in back to back years, something Dak has yet to do despite the better roster.

You took my post wrong. Allen for Prescott is only 11 pages. So it was unusual a post about another player in the NFC, no rival to Bills, no application to Bills in anyway, no controversy, went to 10+ pages. So I was asking, did it just carry on for some other reason, or were the Bills somehow tied into this convo. Like is there rumors Kittle is available and we could make a play. I didn't want to read 10 pages of contract talk if that was all it was, and was just simply asking if there was Bills connection to this topic for it to reach a longer length than it would typically do if no Bills connection or controversy attached. I was not mocking this thread at all, so sorry if it seemed that way. Was just trying to find out if there was something I should dive into buried inside this thread that would interest me.

Dude...you need to read more. I literally posted about young Wilson as an example of a young player who proved elite traits on the field. Its NOT common to see an ELITE QB emerge as they are NOT many of them in the league at any one time. Geezus dude. I don't pay elite money on a long committed contract to a player who has not elevated the team to even its minimal expectations. He is coming off a year where a TOP FIVE talented roster DID NOT make the playoffs DESPITE no major injuries.

But you cant disqualify Wilson because he won a Super Bowl. And I am not talking about Wilson at 31, I am talking about young Wilson, I was sold on him back then as already being a guy headed to elite status as he played his best in the biggest moments. He took a back to back 7 win team and made it a perennial NFC powerhouse. No one points to the Seahawks and say they underachieve. They aren't making the SB every single year, rosters go through changes, but he has continued to elevate that team year after year, even when the roster wasn't as strong. He's put that team on his back, he's a leader that makes his team better and proved that countless times on the field and in huge moments. Dak is no where near Russels level right now, so he should not be paid like it either. Dak, could still prove be that guy...but he also may be just be a solid QB who has the benefit of very talented rosters around him to put up strong personal stats through big games against softer opponents. Time will tell. But, while I am NOT condemning Dak, I am also not sold he is an elite player worthy of what he is looking for. Its just that simple man. There is nothing anyone can do to convince me that Andy Dalton wasn't capable of having the same level of success playing for the Cowboys the last 4 years that Dak did. Thats the problem. Dak has not separated himself into an elite category. Does Dak have more upside still, absolutely. But, I am not a fan of massively over paying for upside without seeing the winning traits on the field. Dak needs to prove to me he can win because he has the roster to do it, but hasn't done enough of it. Today, I just do not have the confidence that I had in Russel Wilson when I saw what a special talent he was early on. I have the same opinion of Goff, another guy I am not sold on in the same areas I am not sold on with Dak.

I just did answer that question. I suggest you read it again. One playoff win in 4 years with a championship roster all 4 years, including a .500 season last year, and not showing up in the bigger game against better competition. I mean I literally even cited a specific example of a player who came in and immediately elevated his team to a perennial powerhouse in Russel Wilson as an example of a guy who proved early he was worth elite money. Honestly man, you need to start reading the posts better you reply to. You do this a lot.

Again, where did I say he needs to have won a SB already? Some of the GOATS never won a SB or didnt until late in their careers. What I have said, is he has a championship caliber roster and has for multiple years now. Yet the team, led by Dak, has not reached their potential or expectations even in Daks statistical best seasons. He has had a lot of big games against lesser competition, but has not been able to consistently replicate that when it matters most or against better teams. I also said, we don't know why yet. Was it him...coaching...other players around him...etc...we don't know. But what he has NOT done is prove to me IMO that he is worth elite money, at least not YET. I also said he is young and can still prove that on the field. But as a GM, I am not paying elite money to a guy who didnt even make the playoffs with a top 5 roster in the NFL, and IMO the Cowboys had a top 5 roster last year. I dont approve of the money they spent on Cooper (not worth it) or Zeke (talent is worth it, but spending that money on a RB isnt needed in todays NFL and often backfires). I also did not approve of big contracts to guys like Kapernick, Jimmy G, Tannehill (in Miami), etc etc. You know who I pay top money too...Russel Wilson who came in and took an 8-8 team as a rookie and made it a perennial powerhouse from the moment he stepped on the field. Guys who elevate the win totals. Cowboys have won one playoff game in 4 years with a top tier roster over that span. Bottom line, I can name a lot of solid to decent QB's who could have replicated the same amount of team success with that same roster over the 4 years. I havent seen Dak separate himself into elite pay category. He still can...maybe it was all coaching, we wont know until we see Dak and this Cowboy team on the field with new coaching for the first time. BUT...I would WAIT to commit elite money UNTIL I see that difference ON THE FIELD and not the personal stat sheet. So you need to stop claiming I am condemning him, I have done no such thing. I am perfectly within my right to NOT be sold on whether he can be the QB that the contract he is demanding says he is. Why...because he doesn't have the results to justify it despite having the roster to achieve it every year he has been in the NFL.

I do fully agree with this Gunner, its the nature of the position. Overpay is common and understandable with the QB's. I dont personally subscribe to it, like how I agreed with the Redskins decision to not overpay for Cousins who IMO is a 3rd tier, border line 2nd tier starting QB in that 14 to 18 range of rankings. That doesn't mean Redskins have done a good job rebuilding, even if I agree it was better to rebuild than overpay and stick with mediocracy. But I would have made the same decision, although I just also would have made much better decisions after the fact in how to rebuild that team as most of which they have done I have not been a fan of since. But thats bad leadership in that FO IMO. Yet Cowboys missed the playoffs, Dak didnt produce enough in big game or against the better teams. So yeah, cherry picking stats also leads to false positive results.

One year? They have underachieved in Daks best 2 seasons...its more than one year. And where did I condemn him? Dont lump me into some category I am NOT in. I said he was a good QB in the very post you are quoting. You do this a lot dude, you twist statements to mean an extreme that is NOT being said. What I actually said is that he is a good QB but I am not sold on his championship pedigree. He has had a vastly superior roster to most of the NFL the last 2 seasons, and yet they have underachieved. He has big games agaisnt marginal or lower tier talent, but that team is not getting it done often enough agaisnt better competition or big games. I even said, its hard to even answer why right now. This is what I often hate about discussing things with you. You literally claim things are being said that are not being said and its utterly irritating. No disrespect, but I am just being honest about your posting style.

I dont disagree...I dont think Dak is bad like Jameis. I just think its foolish to use stat only based arguments in any situation, especially year end totals. In Daks best seasons, the Cowboys have won nothing essentially and underperformed. There is something to that...is it Dak...was it just coaching...was it other players...its honestly hard to really say exactly why. But he was the leader of that team...and his team and offense too often didn't show up in the big games or big moments. Thats the divisive part of Dak. Saying he's great only because his stats are better isnt telling the whole story. Can using only stats tell the right story...sure...but they are unreliable as the only measurement to reach that conclusion. As you know...I think Dak is a good QB...but I doubt his championship potential. He is young, can certainly prove those doubts wrong on the field. But he has had a very talented roster around him and still keeps coming up short despite individual statistical success. Same with someone like Cooper for instance. End of season stats look great, but he really had a few monster games to pad those stats and was way way way too often irrelevant in the big moments and big games and wildly inconsistent. Which is why it was ludicrous to me to hand that man a $100M contract at $20M per year. $12-$14M a year...sure, all day. But that kind of money he got is reserved for only the elite WR's. Dak wants elite QB money, but he's been far from elite IMO thus far.

James Winston led the NFL in passing last year. He is not a good QB. Stat chasing is a fools path to false positive results.