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Anyone without Allen on their list is out of their mind IMO. He was the entire offense today. I see some replies want to take him off over one play while ignoring he had 3 TDs and well over 300 yards against a stingy defense and led our team in rushing too. It starts with Allen, others too, but Allen was the entire team today.

I don’t know what Daboll was thinking today. He went back to the early in the season mindset and making head scratching calls, trying to force the run when it wasn’t there, too conservative at times, and went with too many called QB runs. We are a passing team, and when he turned it loose we moved the ball with ease. I really hope Daboll goes back to what we have seen all during the second half of the season.

Same with you, always a fun time. There are things we are often fully in alignment on, and then others where we have differing opinions. But always find the back and forth fun on the differing opinions because I know no matter what I will always get back a well thought out and respectful opinion. #GOBILLS I still dont see the Dolphins as a fair comparison. They seem to have hit on both the GM and HC, how many teams do that? Plus Miami had a lot more cap space and draft capital and their best players on defense and offense were already there in Xavier Howard, Jerome Baker, DeVante Parker and Gesicki. I mean Howard had 10 ints and Baker led the team in tackles and 2nd in sacks, all been there 3 years or more and drafted by the team. All good though, we will see how it plays out. Personally, I think there is more and more smoke building around a potential Watson trade and this all may be a mute point if that happens.

@GunnerBill For the record, I do respect and enjoy the dialogue with you, which is why I engage with you on it. Thanks for the convo participation

I definitely disagree in the comparison of the Dolphins and Houston overall roster when not factoring in Watson who clearly is the best overall player by a mile on both teams. But lets go back to Bills and Houston. You also keep forgetting about the OL. Houstons is among the leagues worst. Bills was not when they started the offensive focus. And you keep skipping over we traded a first and multiple draft picks for Diggs. Houston has 1 first round pick over next 2 drafts and none this year. So the first round pick they do have will be a rookie in the year you say they will be a playoff team. In a division with a Titans team that should be good a while as they are young, and a Colts team that is pretty good roster and isnt going anywhere soon. Their biggest question mark is whether or not Rivers will retire this year, but there are some potential intriguing options for them at QB including talk they could make a trade for someone like a Stafford or Ryan (again just unsubstantiated rumors now, but if that happens, Colts are even better than they are today). Also...first time GM who has not done one thing yet and still does not have a HC who could be good, bad, or mediocre. Dolphins hit big on their staff so far and have top end defense, which was the top scoring defense in the NFL this year, which is WHY they won 10 games. My bad, hahaha, yeah I was thinking Watkins haha. But still we traded a first and some additional picks. Houston doesnt have that luxury is still the point, but thank you I will update that.

Again though Gunner, you are completely overlooking all the work Beane did BEFORE he could invest so heavily in the offense. You think Beane can spend so much draft capital on offense if he didnt already have a strong defensive unit in place? No not at all. You think he can trade up for guys like Ford, Singletary and Knox in one draft then trade for Diggs with our first and some change if he didn't have all that draft capital and also already put critical pieces elsewhere on defense already? You are taking the last 2 years of our 4 year rebuild and using it as proof he can turn around a bad roster into a playoff team in 18 months while severely lacking the draft capital to do it. Again, you are asking for a FIRST time GM to bat a thousand on every draft pick, every FA signing, and every coaching hire in his first 18 months. Beane traded quality starters away in his first 2 seasons as GM in order to put the team in position to make the draft picks they did and the trades they did. You are skipping all that and taking a first time GM with less than their own starting draft picks and expecting the same. Beane in his first 3 drafts had in his possession a total of 4 first round picks, Houston has one. Beane used the 4 picks to add Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, and Diggs. Substantial additions to the team, including 3 pro bowlers, a first team all-pro and 2nd team all-pro this year. Not to mention all the extra picks he had in the subsequent rounds he had to work with to draft and trade around the draft with. Bills had the foundations of a good defense the first year McD was here when they drafted White too. That first year defense is substantially better than what Houston is starting with. Our OL was in a lot better shape too than Houstons before we started adding the skill players. Again, you are skipping all that work and then some, including finding the ideal HC for this team just because they have Watson already entering his prime. Drew Brees passed for 5000 yards several seasons in a row WITHOUT making the playoffs. How many big statistical seasons has Stafford had without sniffing the playoffs? How about Matt Ryan? Watson isnt enough on his own, he had an MVP level season statistically, and his best as a pro, and won 4 games. And now he is also likely to lose his favorite weapon in Fuller next year too before starting to rebuild an already bare cupboard. All good bud, I enjoy the dialogue, just think you are grossly over estimating the potential of that teams timeline and at the same under estimating what Beane did before we could really take the next step.

8 or 9 seed = NO PLAYOFFS. LMAO.

He looked good in his limited reps against the Fins...no doubt. But I have seen a lot of bad players look good in one part of one game. Not saying he is a bad player, just saying this proves little about him and I just don't see our staff taking snaps away from Devin and Moss for him right now. That being said, sure its possible he could be active, but if so, I doubt he sees many reps, if any at all, unless its a blow out. Me personally...I am super curious about the kid. Wouldn't mind seeing him get some reps here and there, just don't think it's the wisest decision to do so with a guy who less than a half of a games worth or reps experience heading into the playoffs either. MOST importantly, its about both pass protection assignments and ball security. Hard to trust a PS rookie in our first playoff game with those things to really give him snaps over Devin and Moss. Especially since both have shown to be effective in their respective roles when we do use them.

Anyone else get bummed when you see Wyatt Teller on there as well...oh well, cant win them all... Top 3 should have been Adams, Diggs, and Hopkins over Hill IMO. Same, its a travesty that Poyer gets no love here on these things, he is the most underrated and under appreciated (outside of Buffalo) player in the league IMO.

But thats not accurate about Beane in retrospect. Beane had to rebuild a lot more BEFORE he could rebuild the offense. He didn't just build a super power offense in 2 offseasons. This is our 4th year in the '"process" And Beane did it with a LOT of draft capital, which is the polar opposite of what Texans have. And Beane is literally a top 3, if not the top GM in the NFL right now with a top 3 HC leading this team too. Not many can replicate what he did just on the fact not many are as good as he is. Not to mention, Beane acquired the draft capital by trading some of its best assets at the time, including our starting LT, top WR, top DT, and our starting DB. Furthermore, the turning point for the offense was trading TWO first round picks for Diggs, again, something the Texans don't have the luxury of doing. Bills also already had a solid OL, something Texans dont have. Sorry bud, the two situations are not remotely comparable. Like I said, that roster is terrible top to bottom, and even you know that. Bills roster was pretty strong outside a few skill players on offense when Beane rebuilt the offense and had the draft capital to pull it off both in trading around the draft to get their guys and also trading picks to land an elite WR, something the Texans just gave away for a 2nd round pick. For me, its HIGHLY unlikely Houston can be a playoff team in 2022 with that roster right now. They are gonna add a couple of rookies this year, no premium prospects. Thats it outside FA signings until next year. Just no way they rebuild the OL, the defense, and the skill positions this offseason and next. They have no run game, no OL, below average weapons at WR with their best guy suspended for PED violations that is also made of glass and more than likely wont even be back with the team next year despite Watson wanting him back (something else that will piss Watson off more if they dont bring Fuller back). I mean they almost traded him before the deadline as it is. You are being quite unrealistic on the timeline of this rebuild IMHO. And I think Watson sees the STEEP uphill challenge to get back to being a contender, and now the team violating their word and trust with him is only making it worse. Again, is it possible, sure, anything is possible. But you are asking for a first time GM to bat .1000 on every decision (including HC hire) and then some for an 18 month turn around to reach the playoffs. Not something I would bet on personally.

I don’t know, that team is one of the worst rosters in the NFL. With a top 5 QB having an MVP level season statistically they won 4 games and lost a lot of games badly. Put 90% of the other starting QBs on that team this year and they push Jax for the number 1 overall pick. They still don’t have a HC or even know if the GM is any good. With the reduced draft picks too, the new GM is looking at a STEEP hill to climb. I mean you’re asking that GM to be perfect in every decison he makes and hiring the perfect HC to even sniff that optimism. That is a lot to ask. I don’t think it’s realistic to think this team can rebound by 2022. I mean that’s only one more season away. You really think this unproven GM with no first round pick this year is going to rebuild this CFL level roster outside Watson between just this offseason and next? Sorry bud, for me that just isn’t realistic. Impossible, no, but HIGHLY improbable.

But now you’re talking 4+ years before they can start to contend again. You think Watson wants to wait 4-5 years before playing meaningful football? That for me is the big issue. Not whether Texans want to trade him, but is Watson seeing any light at the end of the tunnel sooner than that and does he want to waste that much time if not.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but this situation is a bit of an outlier, so do I disagree here as it starts and stops with the fact it’s reported the Texans said they would consult with Watson about the GM hire and then did not keep their word. Watson has been saddled with a team whose entire demise is solely linked to the moves of their GM, coincidentally who was also their HC as O’Brien was substantially worse GM than HC. If I’m Watson, I am personally heavily interested in who they bring in as GM because I’ve watched terrible front office decisions literally take what should be a perennial playoff team with an elite QB become a 4 win team and not even have the 4th overall draft pick that comes with winning just 4 games. And if I am the Houston Texans, I am heavily invested into keeping Watson comfortable and optimistic. I’m making sure that he has confidence in where we are going and keeping my word to him. I mean, why would Watson trust this team at all after they gave that moron O’Brien all that power and didn’t fire him sooner before he could really screw them further trading guys like Hopkins? Then they promise him they would consult with him about the higher and didn’t? I’d be pissed too if I was Watson. At this point, they should be doing everything they can to regain Watson’s trust and optimism. He is their entire franchise. He is the leader of that team and the guy out on the field giving them any hope. And if I am Watson, I’m looking at the team for signs for optimism.

Again you are twisting my words. I am saying its not a crazy idea this could happen, and again, its also not crazy if Watson is going to force his way out for them to trade him for a bounty. You just like to argue and force arguments dude

You dont read well do you dude. You do this all the time. I literally said I personally would not trade Watson. Seriously, you need to learn freaking read posts before you respond, you are one of the worst offenders as you attack posters for saying things they didnt say all the time. We are discussing the scenarios if Watson was to demand a trade. Thats it. Show me ONE time I said the Texans should trade him. Verbatim said I would not trade him unless I had no choice. All I have stated is that if this was to happen to the Texans this year, at least there are several teams that could afford his contract, need a QB, and send back a bounty of picks.

Watson demanding a trade doesnt mean Watson is demanding a trade to Jets LMAO. You do realize Watson can demand a trade and not automatically mean he is going to Jets. But Jets would be a definite team that could have the ammo to pull it off and likely have interest.

Yeah, this isnt as crazy for the Texans as many here making it out to be. Texans have nothing to rebuild with except Watson. They dont have the draft picks thanks to OBrien, they dont have talent on their roster, thanks to O'Brien. I personally would do everything I could to keep Watson, however, its also not crazy. If Houston can get BOTH Jets first round picks, including the #2 overall, and also get back Darnold who still has upside and could benefit from a change of scenery, well thats not a crazy plan. They could still draft a QB at #2 as well if they want. And honestly, they may be able to get to also get next years first round pick the Jets own from Seattle too making it a 3 first round pick haul potentially if Jets really wanted to make it happen. Dolphins can put a similar package together using the 4th overall pick and throwing in Tua as well. This isnt as crazy as some are making it out to be for the Texans.

Allen, Edmunds, and White >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mahomes

Because Watson doesn't seem to approve of the new Texans GM, if the Jets were to hire Daboll and bring in a better GM, I can easily see how he would view the Jets as a better destination than Houston. And I did say earlier if Watson did push for a trade, then I think a team like the Dolphins is who he would push for out of the teams that would most likely be interested with the cap space and ammo to make it happen. They got a good Coach and GM there right now with a good defense and are coming off a 10 win season with Fitz and Tua at QB. He immediately makes them a contender. But in the end, he doesn't seem happy with the GM selection, and if he doesn't believe in the GM (who also has to take the job with no first round picks because of past moves) to rebuild the team, than anywhere else will look better. Plus Jets are a bigger market too.

His contract is tradeable. So its not like no one has heard of the cap. I see people mentioning teams like Pats here though, and yeah, then there are cap issues. But Jets, Miami, and Jags can easily do it. Houston takes a hit this year, much like Beane did took a hit one year on the cap before he headed into a clean cap as they ramped up their rebuild. So while you are right to an extent about the cap, you're also wrong about how you are suggesting its not possible here because of it, as it definitely is possible. Doesn't mean its gonna happen, just saying the cap is not an accurate reason to say it 100% wont.

Despite my post, I personally would not trade Watson unless I didn't have much choice, he is a young QB and already top 5 in the league. However, if I was Watson, I would 100% want to be traded. That team has been set back several years by the bad decisions of the old regime. They just don't have the draft capital for a quick rebuild, and its a total rebuild outside Watson. The defense is atrocious and they have limited talent around him on the offense. But, if there was ever a year to do it in terms of Houston, they could really reload draft picks and possibly also get back a young prospect in Darnold or Tua in a haul from Jets or Miami, or even land Trevor if Jags entered the mix. If I am Jets or Miami, I am all in on trying to get Watson if he somehow becomes available. I would also do it if I am Jags, as good of a prospect Trevor is, he is still just a prospect vs a proven top 5 QB who is still young.

All good, I only capitalized WATSON to clarify. Didnt mean for it to sound so defensive, just fully clarifying my original thoughts.

Swapping Allen? Yeah no, there isn’t anyone I would trade Allen for right now. But yes, Watson is wasting away in Houston and they are facing a full rebuild with no first round picks either and far from contending. So I do think there is a reasonable possibility he requests a trade, and THIS would be the right year to do it if you’re Houston and willing to do it because the type of compensation they could get would be excellent right now. Could get a young guy like a Darnold or Tua to try and develop whole also getting multiple first round picks where in either scenario you would get 2nd or 4th pick as well. Giving them ammo to also draft a QB one if they want one of the available ones there as well. Maybe even land Lawerence if they can get Jags to bite. Be interesting to see if anything comes of this over the off-season. Again, I don’t see Houston doing anything unless Watson demands a trade. Um I fully realize that. Has nothing to do with giving up on Watson. Read my post, said it would require WATSON demanding a trade. Literally said Houston wouldn’t likely consider this unless Watson demands to be traded. Houston threw away a ton of draft picks in bad trades. They don’t have a first this year either as Miami owns it. They are far from contending and have a limited cupboard to rebuild. It’s not unreasonable to see Watson and his team try and get out of town to not waste his career there.

Per usual this time of year, trade rumors are already beginning. And mostly they never amount to anything. However was seeing on Twitter today some chatter that there is a growing belief that Watson is going to demand a trade. Hasn’t happened yet, so nothing substantial yet to this. But Watsons contract is actually pretty tradeable, so this could be a real possibility. HOWEVER: Let’s fast forward and assume he does request a trade. One team that has immediately been linked to him and has the fire power to actually pull off a trade the Texans just might jump at is none other than the Jets. With the number 2 pick and 2 additional first round picks from Seattle (one this year and next year), they have the type of ammunition that could definitely tempt the Texans to trade him. Not to mention, the ability to include Darnold who has potential still and could just benefit from a change of scenery. I doubt Texans will explore trades on their own, I do think it likely takes a Watson trade demand for this to become an option. Watson is a guy you build around, especially given he’s just entering his prime. But, I do think there is a strong possibility he could demand a trade, I mean I wouldn’t blame him after how poorly that place was run since he got there and how far away they are from a contending roster. They need a whole rebuild. And if he does, I think there would be a very strong chance he ends up with the Jets as he jump starts their rebuild. Other teams with firepower would be Dolphins and Jags. So they would also be strong contenders too, especially Miami that include Tua, Houston’s original #4 pick back and more. Jags could trade them Trevor Lawerence essentially too, so they can’t be counted out. Although, I doubt Jags pass on Lawerence and having also a rookie contract for him while they rebuild. Thoughts? You think he will be a major trade this off-season? If so, where do you see him landing. Personally, I voted 50% and Miami as I think there is a decent chance he will request the trade given the state of that roster and organization. I see more Jets tsk about this, but I think Watson would prefer Miami as they could immediately vault into real contender status with him there and I think Miami would be all over this sending Tua and multiple firsts for him. It does worry me that two obvious candidates to potentially land him are in our AFCE division based on the kinds of packages they can offer.

I voted no just because the expectations today are just higher. We are the hottest team in the NFL by a wide margin heading into the playoffs, so losing a game after all the records, stats, wins, etc now would be a huge disappointment. However...that being said, no matter what happens from here on out, the truth is that this was a success no matter what. The only thing that mattered to our future was the development of Josh Allen. Hes arrived. Ive seen Peyton Manning go into the playoffs while in Indy an NFL record NINE times and lose the first playoff game. So I wont truly judge the success of the season on what happens next. Anything can happen in the playoffs...I mean I have seen things like Trent Dilfer win a SB, Rex Grossman get the Bears to a SB, Jeff Hostettler upset the Bills in a SB, a 7-9 team beat a division champion, a journeyman career backup out duel Brady's 500 yards, a relatively no name team with a 6th round rookie QB upset the greatest show on turf, a special teamer win SB MVP, a backup QB make the greatest comeback in NFL history, the music city miracle, etc, etc, etc. For me, it would be a MASSIVE disappointment to not get a playoff win this year, but I still would see the teams year as a success and a major step in the right direction.