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This...I still can't believe how many republicans forget that Trump was basically a democrat his entire life...including anti guns, etc...until he got a personal vendetta with Obama and saw a chance to campaign on the republican ticket.

Where did I claim he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league last year? I said his stats were amongst the best with his TD to INT ratio after he admittedly had to change after the week 4 NE game. Over his next 11 games he accounted for 21 TD's and just 3 turnovers, which is pretty good and considering he had to deal with 9 new starters around him, an incomplete WR group, Bills leading the league in drops, etc etc. I said to grade him as a C was not a fair assessment is how this all started. You chimed in with his passing totals only to dispute the 21 TD total I stated between weeks 5 and 16. So not sure how you think you didn't ignore running performance when you literally responded to me saying how could he have 21 during that period if he only had 20 on the season. I mean its pretty obvious I am including his running TD's when I say he had 21 TDs from week 5 to week 16 given he had just 20 through the air total on the season. And you also attributed a loss to him that wasn't on him...then doubled down on that flawed logic after pointing that out to you. Which was also puzzling to me as well

Yeah mods do a great job...just was stating the Moss stuff was utter nonsense that people were concluding on draft night

Agree, but it would also help if Daboll stopped running Gore draws for 1 yard on the first 2 downs too

Again, only counting the games Josh played in, so weeks 5-16 (not 17). It was posted here a bunch of times, so maybe where ever that originated from is slightly inaccurate, but he was still amongst the league leaders during that stretch and had one of the best TD to Turnover ratios with 21 to 3. And dont pretend you didnt disregard the running, you didnt count anything other than passing stats. You then held your hat on an even dumber stat of 7-5, when the reality and true facts is Josh was really 7-4. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. And stop justifying the bad receiving group last year, they were below average at best. We led the league with drops, and didnt have a single WR opposite of Brown worthy of playing time, and no Cole doesnt count because he is only a short underneath option and doesnt play opposite of Brown

I think he will sign with a team at some point, not sure he makes the roster or not, just depends on where he lands and how he plays after 4 years out of the league. I do think the idea of Chargers makes sense for the reasons you stated, but I also think simultaneously it makes no football sense given they already have TT who they like a lot and just drafted the guy to groom for their future. People can say what they want about TT, but he's a great locker room guy and teammate, so I doubt they are going to see Kap as a guy that will challenge him given they aren't that different of a player on the field, but Kap also has not stepped on a field in 4 years. To be honest, I don't see many places where it makes "football sense" to sign him given lots of openings were filled with the draft and FA already at this point. Plus Newton is still out there, and from a football perspective only, there is no way any other available QB should get a job before him as he is by far the best on the market and top 15 QB in the NFL still as a starter without question. Maybe NE, Was, Chi, Jax or Car would kick the tires given they don't exactly have settled QB situations there. Most seem unlikely even though they have less settled QB depth charts. Maybe the Steelers recognizing they are SB contender with Big Ben, but a non-playoff team if he again gets hurt kicks the tires to see if he could be a better option if Ben goes down again. But, in all cases here, Cam still would be a substantial better option than Kap anyway. As a backup, I think teams with mobile QB's could kick the tires like even Buffalo (neither Fromm or Barkley share a single player trait with Allen in terms of on field ability), Houston, KC, Seattle, AZ, etc. But in all those cases, it would be to solely compete as a backup with no shot at pushing the starters there.

Even the turnovers are not a fair complaint given he fixed that problem after week 5 to have only 3 to go with the 21 total TD's. But yes, exactly.

Exactly, its utterly insane. Makes no sense what so ever. A TD is worth 6 points no matter how its scored. Worse yet, nobody outside of Lamar from weeks 5-17 put up more TD's than Allen, and that includes not really playing much week 17, so really that was weeks 5-16. And he also only had 3 turnovers during that stretch too. End of the day, Josh Allen finished the second half of the season with a starting WR group averaging 5'10" in height, not exactly a red zone monster squad, with one of those guys not having any business being a starter in McKenzie. Then we had 9 new starts on the offense for a 2nd year QB to work with, led the NFL in drops, and had no real Redzone threats who were go to players. BUT...some people want to take away all the TD's Josh improvised to score when he didn't have an option open or on the called designed plays by our OC to take advantage of Josh ability to take it in himself. Utter nonsense to discredit that. Only in Buffalo do we take away the duel threat production of our duel threat QB. 30 total TDs in 2019 with all those obstacles above (and more) as a 2nd year QB who was raw coming into the league. Wait until people see what this kid does with this upgraded supporting cast and another year of continuity with the players here and epseically the OL.

There are a lot of people who don’t add much to this board other than terrible knee jerk reactions and mostly non sense

Oh boy, another person who wants to take his rushing TDs off his stat sheet because only his throwing TDs count for you. Guess we should remove Lamars rushing impact too right? A TD is worth the same running it in or throwing it in. And maybe if we didn’t have scrubs like Zay, McKenzie, Foster, etc rotating as our starters opposite Brown all year, or if we didn’t lead the NFL in dropped passes, or half a season where his 3 starting WRs weren’t an average of 5’-10” etc some of those rushing TDs May have been throwing TDS. He put up 21 total TDs over that stretch, second ONLY to Lamar. And he was not 7-5, he was 7-4 because not only are you erasing his production, you’re also counting a game which Barkley lost for us as Josh barely played and was all Barkley in week 17. So, sorry your reply is not only missing important facts, it’s also counting inaccurate facts.

No offense but this is not a very accurate evaluation. Our QB who from weeks 5-17 was second only to Lamar with 21 TDs and only 3 turnovers to go with that gets a C? The most TDs by a Bills QB in decades? With an incomplete starting cast, 9 new starters around him, in his second year? I mean it’s ok, you don’t have to be sold fully, but he deserves more respect than a C. And then even worse, a C- for the OL? That’s way low again. They were not that bad, and honestly should be quite good this year. QB: B+ And I wouldn’t think a B was unfair, but my expectation Josh alone will make this an A by the end of the season lends me to focus on the improvements last year and the improvements to this roster around him and say I feel today it’s a B+ as i think he’s poised for a real breakout year. RB: B WR: A TE : C+ with lots of upside, could jump to a B+ this year or better if Knox takes a big step and fixes the drops. OL: B also with more upside Defense: DL: A LB: B+ CB: B+ S: A+ ST: B-

I like Golladay a lot, I just think Diggs is the better all around WR and a top 5 talent at his position. It’s not a wide margin, just if I could pick one I would take Diggs as he is statistically already a better deep threat and better at contested catches than Golladay, and those are Golladay’s best attributes. Diggs is also probably the best route runner in the NFL Jones is the most over rated WR in this discussion. I’d take Brown, whoever is the the actual #2 for Rams, or Metcalf over Jones without thinking twice. He’s not bad by any means, but he is so inconsistent week to week. He’s the smaller poor mans version of Cooper. He is capable of some big games no doubt, but too often he is taken out of games and disappears. But season totals are respectable to solid because of the couple of big game. I laugh every year when someone drafts him way too early in fantasy football and always tell people you might as well start scanning the waiver wire now because you’re gonna drop him after playing him 4 weeks in a row after a big game to see him do squat. WR debate is really close, but having the best route runner in Diggs, who also has led NFL in both deep balls and contested catches, just makes him the top guy of all the talented group IMO. Then to have a top end number 2 in Brown with the best route running slot of the group in Cole, I think Bills get the overall edge. All 4 teams do have a good WR core, so it’s not a lock or landslide by any means.

It’s not a huge margin, but I do think Bills have best supporting cast amongst Bills, Rams, Seattle, and Detroit. WR - Bills have the best WR of all 3 teams in Diggs. It’s not a wide margin, but I think Diggs is the best overall WR amongst the 4 teams. Brown is right there for best 2nd WR, although it’s splitting hairs between him, Rams (not sure how is actually considered #2 for Rams), and Metcalf...with Metcalf having the most upside IMO. Cole is easily the best 3rd WR of the group. So for me, while close, I give the edge to Bills. TE - I think of this group, Rams have best TE group because they got 2 good ones. Bills have upside, but still young. RB - Seattle has best RB stable, but Bills very well could be there with them or better this year. But edge is Seattle for sure right now. OL - This is the difference maker for me, I think we not only have the best OL, but the deepest OL of these teams and it should even be better this year. So for me, only team with more than one top personnel groups of these 4 teams is Bills. I’d put Seattle a close second, then Rams and Lions are both closely ranked behind them. Just my 2 cents

I’d say we have a better supporting cast around him than Seattle, Detroit, and Rams. Just overall, from RBs, WRs, TEs, and OL...I think we have a better cast than those guys now.

You mean when he was a Democrat, before he pretended to be a Republican?

And LL Cool J

Hahaha, well great in comparison to what we got. There a couple republican candidates that year i felt were quite interesting yet had zero chance.

The person who started this thread complained about politics in sports. The anthem has nothing to do with sports, was not written for events, and contains lyrics of oppression that are offensive to some people. Bottom line, you dont want politics in sports from athletes, then remove the politics from the game. As long as the national anthem, with its divisive lyrics, forcing people to honor whatever connection brings up for them to the song, it will always remain political. And you are right, song means different things to different people. To far too many, that meaning carries political ties. So, simple...someone wants no politics in sports, the sole solution is to remove politics from sports and that starts with the anthem. Me personally, I dont have an issue with the anthem. I dont care if people argue through the song, kneel, poop, get a beer, have sex, or what not during the song. Why on earth anyone else cares what someone else does during the song is beyond me. If people only cared about their own experience during the song, there would be no issue. But humans are disgustingly arrogant though all of time that feel they MUST force their experience/belief onto others no matter what. See almost every war in history. So when you add a song, that carries different meanings to people that involve politics to the start of a sporting event, you are now forever tying that sport and its athletes, fans, etc to politics. There is no 2 ways about it.

Yes VERY infectious from a QB, a position that has been hand picked to be utterly protected and handled like a fragile piece of fine china at every step of the way. Our man Josh dont give 2 craps about that and puts it all on the line no matter what where other QB's tend to play with a lack of balls and embrace the protections. In a game with violence and impact...to see your QB be willing to lay his body in harms way too for the good of the team, to spring a block, to fight for a first down, to just be a beast out there will fire up an entire locker room. When all is said and done with Josh's career, I think its going to not only be a success, but he will be seen as one of the best, if not the best, leader at his position during his era. He has traits that just can not be taught in this regard.

The 3 games following his OVER EXAGGERATED 4 TD game against Baltimore (in which we literally lost because of his terrible INT's in the 2nd half) where he had 1 TD in each game, and in fact would only score more than 1 TD in a game just one more time that season and against Cincy...the same Cincy game where had no TD"s and 3 or 4 INTS in the first half BEFORE half the Bengals starting secondary got hurt and Fitz came back with 4 TD's after that. Everyone talked about his TD total...ignoring the fact that he was terrible in every game but 2, and even in one of those 2 games we still lost on his mistakes and in the other one, we only came back after all the guys intercepting him got hurt and left for good. Dude sucked right out the gate...was never a question in my mind what so ever and I have never been more pissed than the day I saw his extension. Of course, as time went on, there were other things I would become even more pissed at than that extension, but up until then I think that was about as mad as I have ever been at something utterly stupid by our Front Office...which says a lot in a LONNNNNG list of VERY stupid things this organization did over the years prior to that.

While I agree to some degree with your "why", let me tell you why I think you should reconsider somewhat in my honest opinion... Sports were made political by the forcing of the National Anthem decades ago that has nothing to do with sports at all, and still contains oppressive lyrics to those of color. You want no politics and sports then remove the national anthem from all sporting events and find a new way to open up games that doesn't contain a political message. For as long as the National Anthem is played, sports will always...literally always...have a political connection. We are inherently a really, for a lack of better word, STUPID society that is heavily influenced by shiny objects and celebrity. What I mean by that is simple...as a society, we NEVER elect the most qualified candidates for anything. Our votes trend to those who have a charisma or some other draw. We live in a country where the great candidates the Republican Party had were defeated by a man long known for corruption, lying, sexual assault, etc who was a reality TV star and many times over failed business man. On the democratic side, both in 2016 and 2020 we let a woman no one trusted, with controversy following her and her husband for decades rise to the top of the list and in 2020 we had a deep roster of some really good candidates get over shadowed by a guy with his own skeletons in his closet regarding sexual misconduct, questionable policies on his resume, and who has quite honestly losing his mind a bit with his very old age. SO...where am I going with this. Because we are such a HIGHLY influenced society by news, social media, and even fake news...its become even more important for those with influence in those arenas to speak up for whats right and wrong because we as a society keep burying our heads at the facts in front of us, and seem to only listen when those with influence speak up. I feel like people with ability to reach the masses have a certain responsibility to use that very very very rare podium that less than 1% of the people have at their disposal, to reach out and try and create the change we all know is needed but yet never do anything about. What a waste to have that ability, to make a positive impact on this world and just let it slip past and just collect a check for their play on the field. I realize its a double edge sword, as not everyone with influence spreads a positive message or a proactive message. But that shouldn't prevent us for letting those with something to say that we all need to hear who has the ability to reach the masses from speaking the truth. And that includes, those who may have a message that you don't necessarily agree with, its still in all of our best interests to hear that message and hope that it spurs productive dialogue from both sides to try and better understand the different lenses we all see things though. Without that dialogue, we might as well be a country with a dictator, with no freedom of speech... Again, totally get your reasons...we all watch football for the love of the game, entertainment, fan hood, and even fantasy sports (again entertainment). And keeping that separate from politics is a reasonable request in that regard. But for as long as we are forced to politicize sports through the forced National Anthem and our politicians now campaigning on the reaction to it like Trump, it will never stop being blended with politics. And thats just the truth. If Trump just shut up about it when Kap was doing it, then it NEVER would have been nearly as big of an issue as it was. How do I know this? When Mahmoud Abdul-Rahouf did it in the NBA, while there was initial outrage by those offended, it quickly went away and was no longer a major political point of contention. With Kap and the kneeling, we are STILL here debating it 4 years later because Trump decided to make a huge deal out of it, openly admitting to Jerry Jones he only does because it was the ONLY thing he was seeing a boost in the polls from at that time. He literally, factually, does not even know the lyrics to the song. He doesnt care about whether you kneel or not...he is just fanning the emotions of his fan base, and that is it. So we also need the politicians, which in terms of the NFL currently its pretty much mostly republicans running for election (no offense to anyone thats a republican, but if you look at the list of politicians aggressively expressing their displeasure its predominantly republican candidates looking for the same voter base pop that Trump gets trolling this subject). So it also needs to stop being politicized by them, which leads to the media also politicizing it, which further blends politics and sports together and essentially FORCES athletes to use their voice in politics. Finally...reminder...simple solution. Get rid of the National Anthem from sports...it never belonged there, was not written for that, and does not contain language that is inclusive to all in some of its lyrics. But the reality is we all know NONE of the professional sports leagues, or at any level of that sport, will ever have the balls to remove the anthem from pregame play. So, sadly...sports and politics will be forever intertwined.

Fun concept, and my friends and I do similar things when just sitting around drinking and shooting the *****. However...this draft was executed by idiots. First off, I acknowledge Tom Brady as the GOAT. BUT...for ***** sake, he is ancient and there is no way in hell any team building a NEW roster is drafting him in the first 4 rounds. The ONLY value Tom Brady has is to a team that was fully built for a SB run and needed a guy to make a one year push. In a full redraft of the league, no one team is going to be leveraged to make a one year or two year push like that. Will Tom get drafted? Of course, but it aint going to be anywhere near the first 4 rounds because that team who takes them would have to stack the roster every where else to the point its a major SB contender and needs a vet to make that short push. Drafting Tom early literally completely counters that approach. Drew Brees I seriously doubt goes in the first 4 rounds either. And I seriously doubt that the first 15 picks dont include at least 13 QB's, if not 15. And I dont care about journalists opinions, Josh Allen would without question be a first round pick and so would Darnold. In fact, both would go in the top 15 IMO as both are viewed as very promising young QB's on the rise and will have way more value to a GM than an aging veteran when trying to build a team for the future and sustained success in a full redraft. I mean I was looking at some of the drafts for the teams and they are utterly ridiculous and so far from reality its not even funny.

It was already predictable and they still couldn’t stop it. You can tell by how Josh lines up under center. Feet side by side, drop back to handoff, roll out, or pass. Josh lines up with one of his legs behind him, it’s a sneak almost 100% of the time. Still no one could stop it.

I have no issues with what Shaq said. If I was in his shoes I would feel the same. Nothing wrong with having an issue with something stupid and racially charged that some young white kid said. That being said, can’t wait to watch him get juked, stiff armed and tossed a few times each game by Allen on his way to touchdowns and first downs ha.

Poll was interesting to follow. While Kap had an early lead, it got weird where people said he would win the job but wouldn’t get the team the most wins. Now it’s a nice lead by Stidham in both categories. Obviously, odds are it’s never gonna happen. But would be fun to watch if it did lol.