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The talk is that Eagles Could trade Alshon AND a 3rd or 4th round pick for like a 5th and 7th. Another situation of shedding his contract. Kind of like the rumors around David Johnson.

I don’t believe Ruggs is a guy they would trade up for. I don’t have anything against him, but find it hard to believe they would give up picks to move up and draft another small receiver. I also don’t think he will last to pick 22. So for me, I don’t see us landing Ruggs given I think he goes well before our pick and that he wouldn’t likely be a guy Beane trades up for IMO. Now if Juedy or Lamb get to say pick 15, then I could see him on the phone. They are more complete and better compliments to our existing group. Than can take a guy like Reagor potentially in the second vs trading up for Ruggs. If Ruggs lasts to 22, absolutely he’s in play as a potential pick. But after he smokes the 40 at the combine, I think he will be off the board by 22. Honestly, there isn’t a WR projected in first 2 rounds they could take that I wouldn’t be excited for. I don’t have a bias against any of them. My comments are about who I think will be on the board at 22 and how they will weigh WR or another position based on the board. As of today, I expect Lamb, Juedy, and Ruggs is to be gone by 22. And honestly Ruggs could be first or second WR taken once he lights up the combine and given Chiefs just won the SB and in a copy cat league, getting a Tyreek Hill type guy could be even more tempting this year.

He definitely clearly stated multiple times how deep WR is in draft and also stated that if there are comparable guys available in the next round, he may go with a player at another position where there is a bigger talent gap after that round. Personally, unless Juedy or Lamb slip, I think the pick is more likely to be DE or right side of the OL. He put a lot of emphasis on DE in the presser too. Then WR in the second or even a move up to get back to first or higher in second could be in play. Also wouldn’t surprise me if they moved down from 22 a little bit if the the right guys are on the board.

You forgot to add Higgins, Shenault, Mims, Jefferson and a bunch of other WRs they also met with that all also had good things to say about Buffalo

Or Chargers are a candidate too

Hahaha ok, I’m in haha

Yup, probably the same amount of heads that exploded when we took the “wrong Josh”. Haha ? I kinda want it to happen so I can grab some popcorn and laugh at the meltdown of TSW. At this point, Beane and McD have earned my trust. I’m quite pleased with how they have rebuilt this roster in 3 years. Anyone freaking out over one of their picks needs to take a step back and realize these guys know a heck of a lot more than any of us and bet their future on these draft picks. If they feel so strongly about a division 2 safety at 22 that they need to pick him or trade down and pick him, then I trust they know what they are doing.

I watched them both live today. Good interviews. My biggest takeaway is that I think we are going to look at the right side of the OL or DE in the first round. Many times it was mentioned just how deep this WR group is. And Beane said they weigh is that the next guy or two at that position close in ranking where say another position there is a big drop off. With how many times he kept saying how deep WR is and how much value he put on the EDGE and OL, I think that unless there is some surprise slip of Juedy or Lamb, that they are going to go another direction in the first and look at the 2nd and 3rd rounds for WR help. McD was very adamant that Ford is not locked into guard or tackle. If there is a RT at 22, I have no doubt they would pull the trigger if he is a guy they covet. They don't appear to have any hesitation to move Ford to guard if they feel its best for the team to draft another RT at 22 or even in the 2nd. None of this was much of a surprise of course, I had felt DE was the most likely pick at 22 unless one of the premiere WR prospects slip. I do think the Drugger is potential guy for us at 22 too. I did not at first, but after hearing how much time they invested in scouting him and more and more I hear about him, I am starting to think he is a guy that could be in play, maybe even in a trade down scenario picking up an extra 2nd or 3rd depending on how far we actually moved.

Lol. Agree to disagree. There is no reality to him almost becoming a Bill.

If we had drafted Tom Brady we would have... I mean come on. At no point was Rosen ever close to a Bill. Allen was their number one target overall and he was not drafted by someone else. End of story. Rosen never got close to being a Bill other than disappointed fans who assumed he would be the pick but was never actually at any moment in consideration to be a Bill. FYI: Denver was never taking a QB. Was going to trade the 5th pick to the Bills unless their guy fell, who was not a QB. Clearly Bills were aware of this given a deal was already in place. Again, there is no reality where Rosen was almost a Bills or even consideration to be the pick. Can we move on from this fringe XFL QB already who has no ties to this organization other than premature outrage by fans who thought he was a better prospect at the time?

How can you still be missing my point? At no point ever was Rosen almost a Bill. Being available in no way put him close to becoming a Bill. So I ask again, why on Earth do people still talk here on TSW about this soon to be XFL QB as if he has any ties to the Bills? He doesn’t. Never did.

Yup!

What if I bring vintage playboys to the treehouse and punch your rich narcissistic brother in his mouth? I could also show you my Randy Jackson autographed Samurai sword and do lots of activities together after like karate in the garage

He wont be back. Part of the reason he was traded was locker room fit. I mean we gave him away for peanuts mid season, they clearly felt he was not a process guy or they would have at least held on to him until end of season to see if they could get more in trade for him.

Allen was the #1 QB on their board overall. So with Rosen 4th...how do you figure Rosen was in their plans to draft in the first? He wasn't an option. He was not a Bill. He was not close to becoming a Bill. Why are we still talking about a guy whose soon to be in the XFL that literally has NO connection to Buffalo on any level other than fans misguided imagining of him being good on draft night?

When I say not on the board, I am referencing for when they are picking. Of course he would be somewhere on the board. And the Bills board was leaked after the draft if memory serves me is how it became known that neither Baker or Rosen appeared to be in the Bills first round draft plans.

Was Rosen "thrown in there" more than Allen though? I mean Allen got thrown in middle of the first game after NP crapped the bed. And this was after Allen spent the whole offseason in a 3 way QB competition, so he got a lot less reps in before he had to step on the field. Rosen should have been significantly more prepared than Allen to step on the field as he got more reps and more time before he stepped on the field. Not to mention Rosen was dubbed "The most pro ready" while Allen was dubbed the most "raw" QB in the upper part of the draft. Rosen had slightly better weapons overall to work with in AZ with the same OL issues and a veteran like Bradford around him during camp and season. Allen had Nathan Peterman around him and AJM who had done nothing himself. Allen had worse receivers and a similar bad OL while also playing in the more complicated offense. Sorry, I mean no disrespect, but this all feels like excuses for Rosen. The reality is Allen earned the trust and belief of his teammates and staff despite all the mistakes and ups and downs...Rosen failed to do that on 2 teams in 2 years. Its not that Allen was given a better plan, its that Allen earned the confidence of his organization to stick with him and the plan where AZ didn't feel he was worth keeping despite trading up for him and using the 10th pick in the draft on him. Then, Miami sends a valuable 2nd round pick to obtain him and in a season where they have nothing to play for other than to evaluate the roster, and they also quickly gave up on him and turned to a journeyman in the last years of his career. I think its time for people to stop making excuses for Rosen and just realize that 2 QB needy teams with significant draft equity invested into him felt he isn't worth the effort.

Yeah Baker if my memory serves me correctly was not on their board either. Rudolph had not stepped on an NFL field on draft night. He is talking about who was higher on Bills draft board that night, not the merits of how they have fared in the NFL so far. Not to draft with our first round pick

I dont know...was it really different? I mean cardinals went and invested a lot in getting Rosen, its not like they didnt go all in on him that first year. Their roster wasn't much different than our roster that year offensively. OL issues were similar, and Rosen had a better cast of weapons to use...wasnt great, but it was better than Bills offensive weapons that year. Cardinals didn't see enough in Rosen to stay the course. Then in Miami, they quickly dismissed him too. Something isnt right here...two teams with significant draft capital investments into him quickly gave up on him. Time to face the truth, he just isn't the guy some thought he would be. Personally, I think it mostly stems from his lack of ability to be a leader, to command the team.

HARD PASS. Cooper drops a lot passes...Bills already led league in dropped passes. Cooper puts up a few monster games a year to make his year totals look good, but the bulk of his games are meh. This year, only broke 100 yards just 4 times. Had 7 games under 50 yards. And this was one of his better years. He is a good player, but he is just to inconsistent for the contract he is looking for.

That’s what I mean, Rosen was never in play for the Bills. They were not taking him over any of the other guys who would be there. And they were never passing in taking a QB in the first. So Rosen was never close to being a Bill. Why are we still talking about him? He’s not even a relevant player.

Its gonna cost more than our second in a trade package to get Lamb. He’s gonna go quite a bit higher than our 22nd pick most likely. Best Hope is that Juedy slides due to a run on QBs. Colts kick will be pivotal and then Broncos at 15. Colts could very well take a QB if they don’t land one in FA. Although I think Rivers May wind up in Indy personally. If Juedy gets to 15, I hope Bills are on phone with Denver.

Real question is: Why are we still talking about next years XFL QB in Rosen? He was never close to being a Bill even. Beane didn’t even have him on his board.

I would have been pissed. I told everyone Rosen was the worst of the top 6 QBs in that draft. He has all of Cutler and Jeff George’s flaws without their arm talent. My board on draft night was Baker, Allen, Darnold, Lamar, Mason, Rosen. Only guy I was willing to trade up for was Allen (Baker and Darnold were never going to be available in a trade up as it was obvious they were going 1 and 3). I also said, don’t mortgage too much in a trade. Better to stay put and take Lamar than give you multiple firsts to go up into top 5. So when Beane made the trade up to 7 I loved it as it got us his guy and the guy I wanted without trading both first round picks or any future ones.

I get where you are coming from but 0% they are bringing someone in to “challenge” their young QB whose been progressing with size-able steps in his first 2 years. He just put up the 2nd highest TD total in Bills history throwing to a top 3 WR group made up of guys at an average of 5’10” in height, and one of those guys is a fringe player in McKenzie. And he also did this with multiple rookies making up 9 new faces around him on offense and all the while running one of the most complicated offensive systems in football. Quite frankly the last thing a third year QB needs to be doing is looking over his shoulder or having someone challenge him while he’s trying to focus on elevating his game. It would make sense at the start of a QBs career where the job just isn’t handed to him. But going into his third year he has earned the right to be the unquestioned starter. If he regresses next year, then the following year all bets are off. But you don’t mess with an ascending QBs confidence right now by looking uncommitted to him and you don’t put another rooster in the hen house for him to be looking over his shoulder at.