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I would take Tyrod at his current pay over signing someone else on the market for probably more money. I mean, who ever they sign is not the future and neither is TT. They are either drafting one now or looking at a shot at someone like Trevor next year (likely drafting now). This makes sense to me, and while he isn't the long term franchise guy you want, he is capable of being a veteran starter in front of a Rookie and still help the team remain somewhat competitive. There is no one out there that is going to leap frog them up into contending for the division title. But TT could keep them in range of the wildcard discussion if their team can stay healthy as there is enough talent on both sides of the ball. Ultimately I think they end up a 6-8 win team, but who out there makes them much better than that? And at what price? Im guessing Hebert is going to be a Charger soon and will take over sometime during the season from TT or certainly will in 2021.

I dont really have a "crush" per se in the 2nd, so many players that will be there I would be excited about on both sides of the ball really. I would like to target offense with all the defensive pieces we just added as my preference, but there are some D guys that I would be stoked about too. Just a few of the offensive guys that pop in my head I would get pretty hyped about are: Dobbins AJ Dillon Pittman Laviska Claypool Wouldn't hate it being an OT to shore the line up, but hard to say who will be there.

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Trubisky has his own issues. They are not the same. Facts are, Allen was just a hair under 60% and also Bills led league in drops. Simple math shows fewer drops and his same performance puts him over 60% alone. Furthermore, it’s undeniable that Allen struggled with the deep ball first parts of season. But he improved down the stretch. If he connects at the rate he did down the stretch over the whole season, he would have been well over 60% as well. So as long as he continues that trend and also takes another step forward, he should certainly see the comp % rise significantly yet again with Diggs here. So I don’t see these as “excuses”, they were facts and undeniably affected the fabled 60% mark people are clamoring for. There is a lot to be excited for IMO. But I do agree, he needs to show another step forward this year to prove he hasn’t peaked and is truly the franchise QB most of us believe he is.

They remind me of us actually. Stout D, quality run game, ascending QB the wildcard on how far they can go based on his development. They could be quite tough if Lock takes a good step forward like Allen did. And I’m willing to bet Broncos take Juedy, Lamb or Ruggs to make sure he has the necessary tools to do so. Allen is further along and way more upside, but Lock showed some real potential last year himself.

All dropped passes are actually the same though. The standard is set to what is a counter as a drop and it only counts on well placed balls. Not all facts are “excuses”. Points I made were real and legit factors and he still greatly improved from year 1 to year 2 wouldn’t you agree? And yes, for sure the same type of growth is expected to continue this year, especially with a good cast of weapons around him. This is the year to quiet to remaking skeptics or validate their concerns.

WTF!!!!! Why give him away???? You telling me they couldn’t get more for him from teams with cap space? Wow. And to a team on the rise in their own conference? Seriously Titans??? At least send him to the NFC.

I think it’s going to be Jacksonville for sure as the front runners with Redskins and Giants a close second. I think by this time next year, both Giants and Skins will realize they need to draft another QB.

Power ranking the AFC IMO: 1 - KC: Champs are champs until knocked off 2 - Balt: I actually think Lamar and Balt is going to take a minor step back. I feel like Buffalo actually put the blueprint out there to defend their offense and after that they were more vulnerable. They are still a very talented roster, but I also think they will not be as dominant and we are right on their tail. 3 - Buffalo: I may get some homer flack here for this, but I truly see us as the 3rd team right now. My putting them at 3 is a combo of how much I think our roster is already improved plus my confidence in Josh Allen’s continued growth. He’s made big steps in short periods of time consistently since playing his last Wyoming game. He blew people away at combine, he surprised in camp, he made a big leap after coming back from injury, he made big leaps in year 2, and even his deep ball was a lot better down the stretch of the season compared to first 2/3’s if the season. He just keeps taking sizable steps forward in short windows since getting pro level coaching after stints at a JuCo and Wyoming. 4 - Titans: Tempting to put Steelers here as they could be a force if Big Ben roars back, but he’s an injury risk these days and Titans just earned some respect last year. I have a hard time seeing Tannehill living up to expectations, but with Henry and that defense, all he really needs to do is be a strong game manger and they will be a tough out. Be interesting to see if losing Conklin hurts a lot or not. I personally think they could take a step back this year as I am skeptical on Tannehill over a full season and concerned about the impact of losing Conklin. But for now, I think they earned this spot last year. 5 - Steelers: Reloaded D, plenty of weapons on offense still and Big Ben back. They could rise up these rankings easily if Ben finds his old form. But injury risk is a legit question for him and also still need to see how he comes back from his last injury still. But I think he’s gonna be alright and that makes these guys potentially to low on this list, but until we see it I think this is where they belong. 6 - Broncos: They have a strong roster, their success is strictly tied to Locks sophomore improvement or not. He looked promising, and I think he will do enough to make them a strong candidate for a wildcard. 7 - Pats: I debated putting them here, or even on the list, until we see what they do at QB. They lost some key players on D, so they took downgrades in both sides of the ball. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt here and assuming they put enough pieces in place to still be dangerous and I’ve learned to never count BB out. Next group: Houston, Colts and Cleveland are in the convo, but have big question marks too. Indy - What’s Rivers gonna do with a less talented offense than he had with Chargers? Hou - The two best players on both sides of the ball now are a major injury risks in Watt and Fuller. Their offense still goes through Watson, but their weapons now are pedestrian at best, so they better hit on a rookie WR early and also hope DJ is the successful reclamation project BOB thinks he is or they will struggle to win 8 games IMO. Cle - Will the real Baker please stand up? Horrible coaching staff was revamped, so it all comes down to which Baker can they expect this year. The promising rookie who was expected to take a big leap last year (but regressed instead) or is the Baker they got last year more accurate reflection of his future? If Baker gets back on track, they have a roster that can make some real noise. If it’s more of the same then this team will implode and I think OBJ could be traded by the deadline as he’s not gonna handle another losing season well.

Yeah he’s the only one I’d consider. But today, I’d still take Diggs because Moore isn’t as known quantity yet. But honestly, he’s only one I wouldn’t have an issue people choosing, but I’d still take Diggs personally. He’s an elite route runner and an elite player at contested catches. Can’t say Moore is elite yet at anything, but he’s a rising star for sure and quite good.

None. That’s even before we traded for him, not being biased. I’d take Diggs over all of them without thinking twice.

Is this a real thread?

Can we merge this one with the “Mario for Skelton straight up thread” ???

hahaha, all good, your life is spared...this time ?

Beane is crushing this so far. I mean quality add after quality add to go with an elite talent at WR, plus doing Poyer right. We are going to enter draft without any glaring holes and truly be able to focus on BPA throughout. I can see us grabbing in rounds 2, 3, and 4 something thing like a RB, big WR, and OT in no particular order. Young edge like Anae or someone still easily could be taken somewhere in there too or a cornerback.

Thanks bud

Why then are they merged into one thread? Sorry mods, love you guys but that is a fail. Especially since title only references Butler.

What is going on? Did we sign Butler or Jefferson? Thread title say Butler, but thread shows us signing both. If it’s both, why are they merged into one thread????

I do too...my original point was that I wont count BB out until I see it on the field.

I agree we need another, but that much for a rotational guy would not have been a good contract for us. Thats a contract to start and be major member of the DL.

We cant say that after always saying for decades nothing matters more than the QB. Stacked team or not, we are talking about a guy no one ever heard of that they actually drafted despite never seeing the field in college. I mean the man had not started a game since HS. When Brady was suspended, Pats weren't so dangerous, including us blowing them out week 4...because their QB was wack. Yet Brady won the SB that year with that same roster. So...for me...I learned, don't write off BB before teams hit the field.

He won 11 games with a guy who had not played a game since High School. I learned right then and there not to ever condemn BB until he shows it on the field.

Good, with Oliver, Harry and Star I didnt want to spend this much money on another DT. Dont get me wrong, would have liked him as a player, but the money to tie up in him didnt make sense to me.

Love this. Beane having another stellar offseason and its just begun.

Your math is wrong. 53 players, 46 active is the number. Not the total Camp Bodies numbers. You can fill camp bodies with UDFA too. Beane even said we dont have enough roster spots for all the draft picks. Beane was not going to draft 10 players in this years draft and was always going to use them as capital to move around. No one said those late picks dont have value, clearly they do or teams wouldn't trade for them. But people freaking out are severely over valuing them. Some one will name one Pro Bowler taken in those glossing over the thousands who didn't make it in the NFL. I mean Brady was a 6th round pick...does anyone really believe trying to find your QB of the future in the later rounds is a sound strategy to find a franchise QB? No, but yes it can happen. Those rounds usually help identify depth and ST players, all things we got plenty of at most positions right now. Sure there are places to upgrade, but honestly, what we need more than anything is top end talent, not mid tier or role players who we got tons of. So using some of the EXTRA capital we had to find ST and depth guys, we were able to land a top 10 player at a major area of need. Everyone should love this move. And most importantly, we had extra picks in those rounds and still have all of our own picks in this draft except our first (which was essentially Diggs). People are so hung up on the number of picks that its making them think it was expensive. Yet most of those same people wanted us to trade up and get Juedy or Lamb, which would have actually been MORE expensive than getting Diggs as we likely had to trade up to 13 or 14 to insure we got one, and the very least to 16. Our compensation we paid on Diggs was equivalent of only moving up to 18. But guess what else, no one would have taken back a 5th, 6th, and next years 4th to trade back in the first round. We would have actually had to use LESS picks, but MORE valuable picks to make any move inside the first round. This is why everyone is baffled by those who are really upset over compensation. Most wanted something that would have cost us MORE for an UNPROVEN rookie who likely odds are would not end up as good as Diggs anyway based on hit rates in the first round.