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Thats not what I said. I said reduce the complexity and size of the playbook a little bit until our offense is healthy. Focus on getting a rhythm in the offense. Because if you think our offense has been in rhythm the last 3 weeks then I dont know what games you have been watching. Man, people fixate on certain words. I didnt pin this thread only on penalties. Its like thats all anyone read.

I didn’t make this post about one play. We have had multiple issues for several weeks. And most importantly, Daboll game plan has been frustrating for several weeks now. I didn’t say let’s make the offense vanilla, I think we need to just reduce the complex schemes a little bit that he’s always trying to run and turn the focus on getting the offense into a rhythm and getting the run game going.

You can’t look at our offense and play calling and not put a lot of that on Daboll. One, he is not calling many run plays, and when he does, he’s often calling runs out of unconventional formations or RPOs.

I think they need to reduce the size of the playbook a little bit and dial down the complexity. Players in the past have already said its the most complicated they have seen, and that was before this year where he has clearly expanded the size of the playbook. We are seeing too many dumb penalties on offense like illegal formations that have taken TD's off the board or killed drives. Get this offense into a rhythm, make it just a little less complicated and keep it fresh with Josh ability to improvise. Daboll is trying too hard on gimmick and trick plays. He calls too many, and has bad timing with it too. Maybe just dial back the complexity and size just a little bit, at least until our offense gets healthy and get key guys back like Brown and Feliciano.

Its correct call per the language of the rule, but I don't agree fully with the rule. That was an example where the defender turned his head away and body away from the defender. Only option to is to not touch him at all and let hm catch basically there.

Flea flicker could have worked too, but you dont call it there either.

Hahaha I was saying the same thing in a text thread I was in. Hilarious.

I get that, but sorry, there is no convincing me that on a critical 3rd and 1 that a play call like an RPO that is a SLOW DEVELOPING play that starts 5 yards behind the LOS is the smart play call. And at the split moment Josh needs to make the decision, its not crystal clear who can get it. And almost every time, the QB is looking to see if he has the hole or not, he cant check his running lanes and also the RB's to decide who takes it. The decision is made the second the ball is snapped basically. All Josh is looking for is if he sees enough of a lane for himself to get through, if not, he lets the back take it. And with a QB as strong and competitive as Josh, hes going to almost ALWAYS keep that ball rather than run outside with a RB who lacks burst speed. Sorry Bill, just because one of the options might have worked, doesn't make it a good play call or even justified. I agree you cant always blame the play caller, but that was stupid. And Daboll has this tendency to call stupid things in key moments that is troubling.

Daboll is just trying to much "magic" out there. He needs to learn how to get the team into a rhythm. I mean we are not running much and when we do, its often out of unconventional formations. Its like he just out thinks himself too much or gets too gimmicky at times.

Good week..bad competition. So encouraging, and I think he has a case to start. But I won't feel comfortable about it until I see him have a strong game against a better offense too. But he was good today and impressed with his play, which is a step in the right direction.

I agree. And that concerns me. Titans put blue print out that Chiefs and Jets showed they paid attention. I mean Jets are a doormat and even they were able to disrupt the rhythm of this offense with it. The top teams like Titans and Chiefs already had great success against us with it, and we still also have Steelers and Ravens who both have great defenses who can role the same game plan out. Daboll couldn't even adjust to beat the Jets version of it convincingly. Its easy to call because Josh has converted every down and 1 or down and 2 sneak except like one or two over 3 years, and they have called it a lot. So yeah, pretty easy to call a go to play with like a 95-98% success rate on a critical 3rd and 1 to pretty much seal a win.

The RPO out of shotgun takes too long to develop, and yeah its easy to sit above and see the whole field and know Moss can get that, but when your players are standing in the trenches needing to make a split second decision, its not so easy. It was just a dumb call to start a run 5 yards behind the LOS on a delay through a RPO with 3rd and 1. Thats my biggest issue with Daboll. He tries way too much trickery, and tries to run too much like that. There are times in the game you need to be men and just go get the yard rather than try and finesse the yard. We have a wrecking ball at QB which should have been the call.

You say that but Moss ran pretty well today. Personally, the ONLY play call there in a critical 3rd and 1 is to sneak Josh. It has literally a success rate over 95%. I saw a stat somewhere that showed in 3 years hes only been stopped like once or twice. Including the sneak on down and 2 to go. There is no higher percentage play there, and that was a vital 3rd down there.

Daboll is not fine. His play calling and game plan the last 3 weeks has been atrocious. Total yards dont win football games, points do. Daboll stupidity cost us dearly many times and killed scoring drives or put us into FG instead of TDs...and against the worst team in the NFL. We scored 18 points, Anyone happy with 18 points against the Jets needs re-examine what a good outing looks like. The 3rd and 1 RPO was utterly stupid. We spent a 3rd on a power RB. We have a beast at QB who has converted just about every 3rd and 1, or 4th and 1 he has ever tried over three years on a sneak. You line up and pound the ball with your back or let your QB sneak it. You dont lineup in shotgun on a CRITICAL 3rd and 1 and do a stupid RPO that takes so long to develop and starts 5 yards behind the LOS. Daboll is OBSESSED with trickery and forgets the fundamentals that are still needed to win games. We beat the lowly Jets by one score, this was not a good day for Daboll..

Did we get our Mojo back or did Jets just be the Jets. That is a legit question. This is a game we should have dominated, but didn't.

Im not saying to trade for Julio, but hes a model citizen in Atlanta. Your comment about not fitting the culture makes no sense. We won't be trading for Julio, too expensive and not a need. So its a mute point, but just pointing out that him not fitting the culture makes no sense in regards to Julio.

If it was 2017 Bucs would be unstoppable. Since its 2020 I cant wait for AB to not get more than 2 or 3 targets a game all season and implodes that team from within when Miller is getting more targets and catches. Or hes gonna be amazing and Brady is gonna get another ring.

RB is NOT our biggest need. There is 0% chance IMO that the Bills go anywhere but DL in next years draft. We need beef in the middle and speed on the edge in the worst way. Our run game struggles IMO have more to do with Daboll and his inability to put the offense in position for success in the run game. Its like he is trying to trick his way into runs every time he runs the ball. Uses all kinds of unconventional formations to run the ball or calls options non stop. The option worked a lot better last year when Allen was truly a threat to also run. This year, we are so pass happy and they seem to have shackled Allen a lot in terms of running, so the this option concept to run the ball with our backs has been a lot less effective. Daboll needs to decide to establish the run game, right now he uses it as a toy to sprinkle into the offense like he's afraid to show we may run the ball. And I think it has a lot to do with how he calls pass plays. Josh passes a LOT from shotgun formations, so when we switch to him under center it tends to strongly suggest a predictable run play. End of the day, he needs to find a way to be less predictable IMO. The game plan the last 2 weeks was terrible as well. Our offense, our schemes, etc didn't look anything like our first 4 weeks. Its like they over thought their opponent and tried to scheme something new that just wasn't polished and wasn't effective. I would also like to see them go back to just turning Josh loose again. He has felt shackled the last couple of weeks until crunch time. Turn him loose again, let him be unpredictable due to his legs as well. Keep the defense having to spy him and put pressure on them.

Yeah, without Star, a true 1T DT, our other guys are over matched size wise. Im hoping Phillips start to come around again as he gets more games under his belt from returning from injury. If he can get back to what he was before he got hurt, then he would be the better option. But they benched him it seems because he was struggling in run defense, yet what we saw against KC was a lot worse. Butler was signed to back up Oliver, but he's also been forced to play a lot of 1T for us this year too along with guys like Jefferson. So we have been using guys signed to play else where on the DL to fill in the hole Star opting out caused. My true hope is that the Bills make a trade for a 1T before the deadline. We need a space eater bad. Someone like Tomlinson from the Giants or Rankins of the Saints are guys I have seen mentioned as good targets for us too. End of the day, I don't think the solution to fixing the rush defense issue is currently on the active roster since Star opted out. I think they can be better than they were against KC, especially if Phillips can find a way to get some of his form back. But ultimately, I think the run D is going to be vulnerable all season without a trade for some beef. We can still win and go deep in the playoffs though with a vulnerable rush defense up the middle. I mean we had a shot to beat the Chiefs despite the worst performance in that area I have seen in a long time. So if we can just limit it more and get the rest of our Defense healthy, especially Milano, then I think our defense can still be middle of the pack and the offense just needs to stay sharp and we can be very dangerous. This is also why I think making an in season trade for some beef makes a lot of sense this year. Especially since the guys mentioned above have small contracts on expiring deals too.

This is a good question. I was never expecting Phillips to not dress, so not sure what the reasons are or how Zimmer played in comparison. But they seem think enough of Zimmer at this point that its an option. I dont know enough about Zimmer either to really say what to expect from him. But what I do know, is their plan last week failed miserably and I saw Zimmer get blown up multiple times. My guess is Phillips has just not gotten fully back to form yet off that injury last year, and not having the preseason to help play himself into game shape slowed that process down.

Happy with the win, but still grave concerns on the middle of our defense. Its been an issue all year.

But they are hesitant for a reason. A team never afraid of spending is reluctant to give him what he wants. If the Cowboys had been winning the division every year and making deep playoff runs, do you really think Dak wouldn't have his contract yet? I mean they would have paid him already and definitely before Cooper.

I get where you are coming from. But part of the Bills story was also being a perennial 7 to 8 win team for years and never having a shot at top end prospects at top of the draft. So if you build a team thats cap strapped and always stuck as a middling fringe playoff team, then you're facing being stuck in that state a long time. I get it, its a fine line, and I understand that at the end of the day, over paying a QB is part of the game. But there is a difference in over paying say a tier 3 guy to be paid like a tier 2 guy versus paying someone the kind of money Dak wants. If that bet on Dak doesn't get you any further, your organization is handcuffed and stuck for 4 plus years and likely never goes anywhere significant. I would have had less issue with paying Dak before they shelled out all that money to Zeke and Cooper.

Nice work on the article, but no disrespect, but I dont really think its not a mystery at all. Star opted out. Despite the stat sheet heroes around here who always want to cut him because they don't actually understand the trenches, he was very important in the middle of our D. He is a space eater and helps free up our penetrators and LB's. Without Star, our DT's inside are undersized and overwhelmed. Milano has been hurt a lot this year, and he is very important to our defense. Edmunds missed time has been playing hurt and doesn't seem to have the confidence back yet. Our secondary has had its own injury problems. We have several new pieces on defense where we did not have a preseason of full camp to really work with moving people around to figure out the strongest lineup and where each is best and worst at. Some of these issues have been plaguing other teams too. Its why defenses across the NFL have been historically bad as the league is looking at new records offensively across the board, including scoring. End of the day, health and the lack of size in the middle are our two biggest issues right now. One is out of our control (injuries) and the other was compounded when Star opted out late in the offseason. My hope is that Beane tries and find some size to plug into the middle before the trade deadline. If our interior of our line keeps getting chewed up and cant get off their blocks, well the LB's and DE's cant do their jobs either. Against a team like KC with no Milano, we needed our LBs in coverage more and that allowed Helaire to go off in the ground game beach their OL just pushed our DT's around. Oliver is a penetrating DT, he needs a space eater next to him to be effective. He wasn't drafted to be a run stuffer, he was drafted to put pressure up the middle on the QB. We need more beef next to him.

To be honest, I am not so sure the problem is specifically the personnel. I have personally hated the game plan and play calling the last 2 weeks Daboll has put together. We are often running out of unconventional formations. I feel like Daboll is being to cute with the run calls instead of committing to establishing the run game. Dont get me wrong, the OL has not done a good job at opening run lanes this year, so there is room for improvement there to say the least. But also, the run game has felt forced and full of over thinking to try and trick the defense. I would like to see more formations that are more conducive to successful run plays. But to go back to your question, I think Ford has been better at LG than he was at RT. But he also hasn't done as well as I had hoped. I can think of several occasions where I yelled F***ing Ford at the TV for example. Now we have released Spain, so the guard position is quite concerning again considering Ford may not be healthy.