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This is not a good take. One, that SB was a while ago and before a slew of injuries derailed Freeman’s production during the 2018 season. Second, bring him up to speed? Come on, this isn’t Madden. You don’t create chemistry, conditioning, snd playbook understanding by plugging and playing a guy the week he gets here. We run one of the most complicated offenses in the entire NFL and we are a passing team. A RB not up to speed can be a big liability on both pass protecting and in the run game. Nor sure why some people don’t understand the importance of this stuff. Not to mention, Freeman is a shell of his former self and was clearly shot while playing this year before again going on IR. Now he’s been active for a while and not going to be even in game shape. Mind blowing people want to have this guy play against the Ravens this week. Especially since Yeldon has been useful in limited appearances, especially as a receiving outlet.

Why would you put Freeman ahead of Yeldon? He doesn’t know the offense, and we run one of the most complicated, if not the most complicated, offensive system in the NFL. He also averaged 3.2 YPC this year in 5 games and coming off long inactivity on IR due to his injury. I mean, I just don’t get how people always want to plug and play people likes it’s Madden while ignoring things like chemistry, conditioning, and understanding the playbook. Yeldon is who it’s most likely going to be. Williams has a shot, but ONLY if they feel strongly about his ability to pass protect. We are a passing team, not a chance they are going to activate a RB who is a liability on pass pro. And I’m not sure they really know given he spent the season on the PS. They would really have to at least believe he can handle it.

Start? Why would either start over Devin?

Dalton isnt the future or the alternative, never was and wasn't the point. He is just a backup or potential bridge QB to someone they could draft first round this year and there are some intriguing guys that should be there at 10, or even maybe move up if there is one they covet. I would have less issue with paying Dak if not for the bad contracts elsewhere on the team. If they pay Dak, they need to find a way to shed Cooper and Zeke IMO. They have talent behind them at a fraction of the cost. If not, they will be a perennial 6 to 8 win team IMO for a while. I just wont pay a guy top 3 money who isnt good enough to mask the deficiencies of the team and win in the worst division in football. I think its pretty obvious Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes, Brady, Watson, Allen, etc would run away with that division with that roster last 2 years. Dak has a losing record which doesn't make me confident in making him the 2nd highest paid player in NFL history.

Again Gunner, I am not saying he is better than Dak and NEVER said that. In the thread his comment referenced I said many times Dak is clearly better than Dalton, no one would dispute that. What he brought up that I did say is that I had a hard time committing that much money to Dak as the highest paid player not named Mahomes based on the teams struggles and that I didn't think the teams record would be drastically different as some suggested with Dalton over Dak. Case in point: Dak 1-3 and should have been 0-4 if not for the epic collapse only the Falcons can manage deciding to not even fall on an onside kick. 4-4 with Dalton. Is Dak better right now as individual direct comparison, of course. But individuals DONT win games, teams do. And the thread was about what would be better for Cowboys in terms of paying Dak or going another direction. Dak just doesn't get it done when it matters too often, hence my reluctance to pay him what he wants. It was never Dalton is better individual player, it was about whether or not Cowboys should cave and make Dak the second highest player behind Mahomes or roll with Dalton and look to draft a QB of the future instead of being saddled with that monster contract. End of the day, if you are going to pay a QB Elite cap killing money, they better be good enough to carry your team to wins because moving forward, you have to hit often on your draft picks to afford to put a quality roster around said QB and its not as easy to build a winning team with the cap restrictions. This fact is magnified by the large contracts they paid to an over rated WR and also the jumbo contract to a RB. And the only data we have to show this, shows I was correct in saying this given Dalton had a better record in starting and finishing games than did Dak with the same team. Does NOT make him better than Dak as an individual player, but it sure as hell makes it come into question if they should hand out a 3rd cap killing contract on this offense with all the issues it has on the rest of the roster.

Yeah loved this too. Every QB has dropped INT opportunities, including guys like Mahomes and Rodgers. Allen sees his critics harp on it like it doesn’t happen to all QBs regularly. The sack fumble was the fault of the OL, but Josh made it worse by not wanting to give up on the play. And to Josh’s credit, we have seen him way more often do that and make an incredible play, hence why Josh has that mentality. But Josh needs to learn that there are situations in a game where the risk is to great and it’s ok to just take the sack. And he said so himself, so I am not worried. Also, I think Josh felt he had to make this win happen too the way Colts were moving the ball on us in a close game. Just gotta learn he can’t always do it all.

Never said they were. He said Cowboys couldn’t win games with Dalton in that other thread. Yet they did, and at a better rate than with Dak with the same roster. And my original point in that thread he was trying to bring up was when I said I don’t think the Cowboys record is that much different with Dalton. Turns out it was actually quite a bit better with Dalton

2020 Cowboys Record in games they started and finished: With Dak Prescott 1-3 With Andy Dalton 4-4 So there’s that too sport 😎

Hmmmmm... Defense this year without Milano: Hot Garbage. Defense this year with Milano: Much improved. Seems like another classic TSW really bad hot take.

@FireChansSoooo your hot takes of saying I’m crazy for suggesting this could happen don’t seem to be aging well as more buzz builds on the potential of a Watson and Houston divorce. 🤣😂🤣 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2926207-mort-deshaun-watson-would-consider-dolphins-trade-tua-tagovailoa-to-texans

Anyone without Allen on their list is out of their mind IMO. He was the entire offense today. I see some replies want to take him off over one play while ignoring he had 3 TDs and well over 300 yards against a stingy defense and led our team in rushing too. It starts with Allen, others too, but Allen was the entire team today.

I don’t know what Daboll was thinking today. He went back to the early in the season mindset and making head scratching calls, trying to force the run when it wasn’t there, too conservative at times, and went with too many called QB runs. We are a passing team, and when he turned it loose we moved the ball with ease. I really hope Daboll goes back to what we have seen all during the second half of the season.

Same with you, always a fun time. There are things we are often fully in alignment on, and then others where we have differing opinions. But always find the back and forth fun on the differing opinions because I know no matter what I will always get back a well thought out and respectful opinion. #GOBILLS I still dont see the Dolphins as a fair comparison. They seem to have hit on both the GM and HC, how many teams do that? Plus Miami had a lot more cap space and draft capital and their best players on defense and offense were already there in Xavier Howard, Jerome Baker, DeVante Parker and Gesicki. I mean Howard had 10 ints and Baker led the team in tackles and 2nd in sacks, all been there 3 years or more and drafted by the team. All good though, we will see how it plays out. Personally, I think there is more and more smoke building around a potential Watson trade and this all may be a mute point if that happens.

@GunnerBill For the record, I do respect and enjoy the dialogue with you, which is why I engage with you on it. Thanks for the convo participation

I definitely disagree in the comparison of the Dolphins and Houston overall roster when not factoring in Watson who clearly is the best overall player by a mile on both teams. But lets go back to Bills and Houston. You also keep forgetting about the OL. Houstons is among the leagues worst. Bills was not when they started the offensive focus. And you keep skipping over we traded a first and multiple draft picks for Diggs. Houston has 1 first round pick over next 2 drafts and none this year. So the first round pick they do have will be a rookie in the year you say they will be a playoff team. In a division with a Titans team that should be good a while as they are young, and a Colts team that is pretty good roster and isnt going anywhere soon. Their biggest question mark is whether or not Rivers will retire this year, but there are some potential intriguing options for them at QB including talk they could make a trade for someone like a Stafford or Ryan (again just unsubstantiated rumors now, but if that happens, Colts are even better than they are today). Also...first time GM who has not done one thing yet and still does not have a HC who could be good, bad, or mediocre. Dolphins hit big on their staff so far and have top end defense, which was the top scoring defense in the NFL this year, which is WHY they won 10 games. My bad, hahaha, yeah I was thinking Watkins haha. But still we traded a first and some additional picks. Houston doesnt have that luxury is still the point, but thank you I will update that.

Again though Gunner, you are completely overlooking all the work Beane did BEFORE he could invest so heavily in the offense. You think Beane can spend so much draft capital on offense if he didnt already have a strong defensive unit in place? No not at all. You think he can trade up for guys like Ford, Singletary and Knox in one draft then trade for Diggs with our first and some change if he didn't have all that draft capital and also already put critical pieces elsewhere on defense already? You are taking the last 2 years of our 4 year rebuild and using it as proof he can turn around a bad roster into a playoff team in 18 months while severely lacking the draft capital to do it. Again, you are asking for a FIRST time GM to bat a thousand on every draft pick, every FA signing, and every coaching hire in his first 18 months. Beane traded quality starters away in his first 2 seasons as GM in order to put the team in position to make the draft picks they did and the trades they did. You are skipping all that and taking a first time GM with less than their own starting draft picks and expecting the same. Beane in his first 3 drafts had in his possession a total of 4 first round picks, Houston has one. Beane used the 4 picks to add Allen, Edmunds, Oliver, and Diggs. Substantial additions to the team, including 3 pro bowlers, a first team all-pro and 2nd team all-pro this year. Not to mention all the extra picks he had in the subsequent rounds he had to work with to draft and trade around the draft with. Bills had the foundations of a good defense the first year McD was here when they drafted White too. That first year defense is substantially better than what Houston is starting with. Our OL was in a lot better shape too than Houstons before we started adding the skill players. Again, you are skipping all that work and then some, including finding the ideal HC for this team just because they have Watson already entering his prime. Drew Brees passed for 5000 yards several seasons in a row WITHOUT making the playoffs. How many big statistical seasons has Stafford had without sniffing the playoffs? How about Matt Ryan? Watson isnt enough on his own, he had an MVP level season statistically, and his best as a pro, and won 4 games. And now he is also likely to lose his favorite weapon in Fuller next year too before starting to rebuild an already bare cupboard. All good bud, I enjoy the dialogue, just think you are grossly over estimating the potential of that teams timeline and at the same under estimating what Beane did before we could really take the next step.

8 or 9 seed = NO PLAYOFFS. LMAO.

He looked good in his limited reps against the Fins...no doubt. But I have seen a lot of bad players look good in one part of one game. Not saying he is a bad player, just saying this proves little about him and I just don't see our staff taking snaps away from Devin and Moss for him right now. That being said, sure its possible he could be active, but if so, I doubt he sees many reps, if any at all, unless its a blow out. Me personally...I am super curious about the kid. Wouldn't mind seeing him get some reps here and there, just don't think it's the wisest decision to do so with a guy who less than a half of a games worth or reps experience heading into the playoffs either. MOST importantly, its about both pass protection assignments and ball security. Hard to trust a PS rookie in our first playoff game with those things to really give him snaps over Devin and Moss. Especially since both have shown to be effective in their respective roles when we do use them.

Anyone else get bummed when you see Wyatt Teller on there as well...oh well, cant win them all... Top 3 should have been Adams, Diggs, and Hopkins over Hill IMO. Same, its a travesty that Poyer gets no love here on these things, he is the most underrated and under appreciated (outside of Buffalo) player in the league IMO.

But thats not accurate about Beane in retrospect. Beane had to rebuild a lot more BEFORE he could rebuild the offense. He didn't just build a super power offense in 2 offseasons. This is our 4th year in the '"process" And Beane did it with a LOT of draft capital, which is the polar opposite of what Texans have. And Beane is literally a top 3, if not the top GM in the NFL right now with a top 3 HC leading this team too. Not many can replicate what he did just on the fact not many are as good as he is. Not to mention, Beane acquired the draft capital by trading some of its best assets at the time, including our starting LT, top WR, top DT, and our starting DB. Furthermore, the turning point for the offense was trading TWO first round picks for Diggs, again, something the Texans don't have the luxury of doing. Bills also already had a solid OL, something Texans dont have. Sorry bud, the two situations are not remotely comparable. Like I said, that roster is terrible top to bottom, and even you know that. Bills roster was pretty strong outside a few skill players on offense when Beane rebuilt the offense and had the draft capital to pull it off both in trading around the draft to get their guys and also trading picks to land an elite WR, something the Texans just gave away for a 2nd round pick. For me, its HIGHLY unlikely Houston can be a playoff team in 2022 with that roster right now. They are gonna add a couple of rookies this year, no premium prospects. Thats it outside FA signings until next year. Just no way they rebuild the OL, the defense, and the skill positions this offseason and next. They have no run game, no OL, below average weapons at WR with their best guy suspended for PED violations that is also made of glass and more than likely wont even be back with the team next year despite Watson wanting him back (something else that will piss Watson off more if they dont bring Fuller back). I mean they almost traded him before the deadline as it is. You are being quite unrealistic on the timeline of this rebuild IMHO. And I think Watson sees the STEEP uphill challenge to get back to being a contender, and now the team violating their word and trust with him is only making it worse. Again, is it possible, sure, anything is possible. But you are asking for a first time GM to bat .1000 on every decision (including HC hire) and then some for an 18 month turn around to reach the playoffs. Not something I would bet on personally.

I don’t know, that team is one of the worst rosters in the NFL. With a top 5 QB having an MVP level season statistically they won 4 games and lost a lot of games badly. Put 90% of the other starting QBs on that team this year and they push Jax for the number 1 overall pick. They still don’t have a HC or even know if the GM is any good. With the reduced draft picks too, the new GM is looking at a STEEP hill to climb. I mean you’re asking that GM to be perfect in every decison he makes and hiring the perfect HC to even sniff that optimism. That is a lot to ask. I don’t think it’s realistic to think this team can rebound by 2022. I mean that’s only one more season away. You really think this unproven GM with no first round pick this year is going to rebuild this CFL level roster outside Watson between just this offseason and next? Sorry bud, for me that just isn’t realistic. Impossible, no, but HIGHLY improbable.

But now you’re talking 4+ years before they can start to contend again. You think Watson wants to wait 4-5 years before playing meaningful football? That for me is the big issue. Not whether Texans want to trade him, but is Watson seeing any light at the end of the tunnel sooner than that and does he want to waste that much time if not.

I don’t necessarily disagree, but this situation is a bit of an outlier, so do I disagree here as it starts and stops with the fact it’s reported the Texans said they would consult with Watson about the GM hire and then did not keep their word. Watson has been saddled with a team whose entire demise is solely linked to the moves of their GM, coincidentally who was also their HC as O’Brien was substantially worse GM than HC. If I’m Watson, I am personally heavily interested in who they bring in as GM because I’ve watched terrible front office decisions literally take what should be a perennial playoff team with an elite QB become a 4 win team and not even have the 4th overall draft pick that comes with winning just 4 games. And if I am the Houston Texans, I am heavily invested into keeping Watson comfortable and optimistic. I’m making sure that he has confidence in where we are going and keeping my word to him. I mean, why would Watson trust this team at all after they gave that moron O’Brien all that power and didn’t fire him sooner before he could really screw them further trading guys like Hopkins? Then they promise him they would consult with him about the higher and didn’t? I’d be pissed too if I was Watson. At this point, they should be doing everything they can to regain Watson’s trust and optimism. He is their entire franchise. He is the leader of that team and the guy out on the field giving them any hope. And if I am Watson, I’m looking at the team for signs for optimism.

Again you are twisting my words. I am saying its not a crazy idea this could happen, and again, its also not crazy if Watson is going to force his way out for them to trade him for a bounty. You just like to argue and force arguments dude

You dont read well do you dude. You do this all the time. I literally said I personally would not trade Watson. Seriously, you need to learn freaking read posts before you respond, you are one of the worst offenders as you attack posters for saying things they didnt say all the time. We are discussing the scenarios if Watson was to demand a trade. Thats it. Show me ONE time I said the Texans should trade him. Verbatim said I would not trade him unless I had no choice. All I have stated is that if this was to happen to the Texans this year, at least there are several teams that could afford his contract, need a QB, and send back a bounty of picks.