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What does this have to do with defense? Some of you guys act like no one in the NFL is capable of making the same SINGLE DIGIT number of ST plays Taiwan did over a full season. I hope some of you buy his jersey, he is obviously irreplaceable and that good lol

You already said it’s not fair to talk about one catch for Kumerow given his short stint on the roster. And his tiny time on the team, he arguably contributed more to our record than Taiwan did over a whole season because Taiwan didn’t do anything last season another gunner couldn’t do. But Taiwan won’t ever make a play on offense. Your argument here is weak because you and I both know that Kumerow is fully capable to fill in for Taiwan as gunner (or others) with similar production there, while we also know Taiwan isn’t ever going to produce any offensive points, or even yards, during the season.

No, didn’t say that. I am saying give me a player who contributes more than a one dimensional ST player who isn’t irreplaceable even at his gunner duties.

I am just saying he contributed to that win because wins and losses are determined by the scoreboard. Give me the guy who helps put points on the board.

Yeah makes you wonder if that heavily contributed to the rapid downfall of his arm. I mean it looked like he was 8 years older last year than he is.

Kunerow literally helped us win that game with that amazing TD catch. And why is it everyone acts like ONLY Taiwan was capable of playing gunner and making those 6 stops? This guy is not some HOF ST player, but he’s talked about as it he is utterly irreplaceable as a gunner. I’d rather have the TD catch that actually wins us games and I’m fully confident in Kumerow or someone else contributing to replacing and making those same 6 ST stops.

WHOA!? I didn't even know he was on the Bills! Crazy, not sure how I missed that

Agreed, I think it’s almost a certainty that he will be back shortly after the cut downs. Just a move to IR someone as you said, Hollister was not only one of the few players they could do this move with, but I believe he was the cheapest one in terms of the cap to do it with too.

If I had to guess, Cam ends up in Houston, Dallas, Or Indy as a backup

Hollister cut looks certainly like a move to protect someone else to IR them after the cut down and bring him back.

Not surprised. His arm looked absolutely shot last year.

I dont disagree about DJ and being a core ST, but we have other core ST players here too that are likely sticking around. I have nothing against Taiwan at all, and totally fine if he makes the team. My thing on Taiwan is that I just feel that if they keep Brieda it will because they have plans for him in the offense, not as an emergency RB. I cant imagine them having 5 RB's active on gameday between Devin, Moss, Brieda, Gilliam and Taiwan. And given I think Devin, Moss, and Gilliam are locks to remain, that leaves one active roster spot left, and I just think its gonna be Brieda. We have a lot of really good ST players still on this team too, so I just don't see him as a guy we cant afford to lose over another guy who will contribute more overall. But by no means am I saying he cant make the team, just my opinion based on the reasons I have already stated that I think he likely doesn't. And IMHO, Daryl Johnson is a better overall player than Taiwan, so in my mind it shows that being a ST ace isn't enough to automatically stick on the 53. And I agree on the DT's, but I think Phillips injury kind of forced their hand to initially keep 5. But if he will miss a couple weeks, I think they will just IR him after the 53 and bring someone back...and thats very possible to be a ST contributor too like say Taiwan.

I didn’t even mention Taiwan in that post clearly wrote the final roster prior to this trade lol

Just a rumor until I see it confirmed by Schefter

Unless its third and short, then I prefer Star in there to clog the middle lanes more. TBH, I think I would put Star in over Oliver in that scenario too if you have 3 pass rushers already on the DL in that lineup because I think we are a better pass rush if we have some size taking up blockers. Last year, being undersized in the middle was a consistent problem.

Welp...the DE trade happened, but instead of doing the trade to keep Daryl Johnson, it was a straight trade of Daryl Johnson. So now, I think the remaining 6 DE's are safe for the final roster, which is good because I would prefer to keep Obada (the guy I thought might get traded given he was still at the back of the depth chart with DJ).

Its not out of the question, although its not been McD's style in the past to start rookies unless we had no other better options. He prefers easing them in more, and AJE has been quite impressive himself.

haha all good, debates are fun especially when both sides making calm and rational points on the debate

Addison's value wasn't determined in yesterdays preseason game. They know who he is what he brings to the table. Their decision to keep him will come down to trade offers, and numbers on the roster cut downs. And at the end of day, good players will be cut from this team or traded. We cant keep them all.

If either Kumerow or Brieda dont make the final roster, absolutely I see Taiwan being a guy who does, especially if its Brieda who is left off. But where I disagree with you on is on just that. Kumerow not only seems destined for the roster now, Beane alluded to considering keeping 7 WR's during the game last night. And I don't think that they see Brieda as a guy to run plays they would run for McKenzie. They have repeatedly said they want someone with some wheels specifically at RB, and my experience with Beane and McD is they mean what they say. So for me, I think Brieda is a guy they are planning to use on gameday, not just an emergency RB. And I think Kumerow is they guy who actually kicks Taiwan off the roster because he is also a good gunner. Im not arguing Taiwan isn't excellent at his job, I am arguing that Kumerow is still good enough at the same job that it doesn't warrant cutting a player who contributes more at another position to keep a little bit of an upgrade at gunner. Just my 2 cents, I could be wrong, just how I see it personally right now.

While I dont disagree, they kept 6 LBs last year and 5 DBs running this same defense. I think Wildgoose has a legit shot to be on the roster, but I only kept 6 LBs because of their value on ST's as well as showing well on the field too at their respective positions. But yeah, totally possible and reasonable to see them keeping 5 at LB to hold onto another DB. I just think Wildgoose might also be easier to sneak onto the PS as well.

Valid counter point, but IMHO, I think they know that the low sack numbers were a direct result of being so undersized in the trenches. They have been singing Addison praises all camp too and saying this is they guy they expected last year. I mean if that was the case, Hughes would be just a vulnerable and I think there is almost no chance they trade him.

I want to keep Obada, dont get me confused with what I want or what I think will happen. But, no chance Obada fetches a 2nd round pick IMO. It really could still be Addison, I just think Addison knowing the defense, leading the team in sacks last year, and a push this year for a SB run gives him the slight edge given how young the rest of our DE room is outside Hughes.

The old he didnt start counter argument again. Sorry, I do not agree Taiwan is so vital he is treated with bubble wrap while substantially more important starters played not only last week, but the week before who are already locked into their positions. IMO, Taiwan has nothing to show...he is one dimensional, and they want to see other guys on the roster fill in on ST to see if Taiwan is vital to keep or not. And more importantly...show me the roster spot not only on the 53, but the active gameday roster where Taiwan has a spot. Do you really think that Devin, Moss, Brieda, Gilliam, AND Taiwan will be active on game days? Taiwan will not see a single snap at RB, and they are intent on Devin and Moss, and they brought Brieda here to be out there on game days as a home run threat. So, very easy to say "he sat last week so he is a lock", but its a lot harder to actually find a roster spot on the Active game days rosters given Brieda seems safe. Unless you don't think we keep Brieda. And if he is not active on game days, he has zero value to the team. Conclusion for me, Kumerow is the new gunner and Taiwan doesn't make the final roster.

Addison would be a move for this years SB push. And with 4 young DE's on the roster in AJE, Groot, Boogie, and DJ...the need to keep youth over older vet isn't as critical. So for that reason, I think Obada may be the odd man out. Still, wont surprise me to see them trade Addison either, just think his experience in the defense, leading the team in sacks last year, and the push this year for a SB title is what narrowly gives him the edge to stick. Agreed, and I had Wildgoose on this final 53 until the very end where I took him off to keep a 6th LB. And the reason was also Beanes emphasis on ST contributions, and all our back end LBs are important on ST. So I am not going to be shocked to see us keep a 6th DB, but I narrowly gave it to the LB's in this final mock solely on ST contributions.