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To be fair, he was never going to be Tyreek Hill, they are not remotely the same style of build of a player. And while Hill had a modest rookie year, he also wasn't playing with prime Patrick Mahomes either like Worthy is. I commend you though for owning this and not being afraid to post it, so respect and kudos. I will say this...on tape, Coleman has been significantly more impressive to me as a primary pass catcher. Yes he had zero catches last week, but he was open for plenty the ball just went to other open spots in what was a limited passing game with Cook dominating and the Bills taking the foot off the gas almost the entire 2nd half to just chew clock and not get hurt in our blowout win. It is way too early to condemn his career to Mercole Hardman, but this was what most of us who were down on him in the draft were very much concerned about. Honestly, had Worthy run a 4.41 forty for example, he would have been a 3rd or 4th round pick at best IMHO and no one would have been hyping him up for the first round. But because he got even skinnier training to win the underwear olympics 40 time record he got all this buzz and hype. Outside his broken TD play that a backup TE would have caught and scored on week 1, he has 5 catches for 46 yards over the 3 games. I said it week 1 and its been even more true weeks 2 and 3, and that is he is struggling to get open. He has been the starting WR all 3 weeks too with Brown out. That being said...Coleman's week 1 game was more impressive than anything I have seen from Worthy in 3 weeks. Now...its early...Coleman hasn't proven anything yet and Worthy isn't condemned yet. In fact, I think Worthy will be a bigger threat once Brown is back and he doesn't have to be leaned on as a primary WR. But KC has a terrible track record with drafting and acquiring WR's lately, so doesn't surprise me they took another one that is struggling. I wanted nothing to do with Worthy ahead of the draft and even before the draft happened I hands down would have drafted Coleman over Worthy and nothing thus far has happened to change my opinion on that. I am still glad they took Worthy instead of McConkey or Mitchell who I thought were the more dangerous fits for KC's offense.

I mean they kind of did that in the AZ game down 14 with 2 min left in the half and would go on to score 31 points in 31 minutes after that. Still just one game, but the offense turned it on and never looked back. And even before that was moving the ball easily but only had 2 drives thanks to a fumble and some false starts giving way to multiple long scoring drives by AZ that ate up all the time. But I keep saying week 5 for me is the true sniff test. Won't be a make or break game, but it will be the first true test as the Texans got the guys up front to disrupt this offense and they will have 4 weeks of film on the Bills offense for their defensive minded HC to prepare for.

Yeah...look at the GOATS in basketball even like Jordan and Kobe.

Yeah, not sure he makes it elsewhere either...but just saying he was for sure not going to here. We provided the worst case scenario for him, not sure I have ever seen a drafted QB as mishandled and managed as he was here.

I dont know what EJ could have become somewhere else...but I know for sure he had no shot to become anything here or reach whatever his actual potential was with the train wreck coaching and handling he experienced here. Him getting drafted here was the worst thing for him. I think his peak ceiling was probably something like what Bridgewaters career has been...which while still not good (low end to bad starter, solid backup) would have at least been substantially better than what his career was and made him and his family more money.

Kurt is one of the most underrated QBs of all time IMO. You give me a playoff game or Super Bowl to win and I can choose Peyton or Warner, I’m taking Warner.

Shakir has caught 28 targets in a row. That’s not 28 catchable balls with no drops. That’s 28 passes that went his direction. Allen has a 100% comp rate to Shakir in his last 28 attempts. So I think we can lock Shakir into that now as many of those were not easy throws or catches. Now Kincaid is no Gronk yet as a receiver, but he has shown he can be very good already with a high ceiling. And of course way too soon to know about Coleman yet. But overall, Allen has a good group to execute this style of offense including having that all important RBs who can catch out of the backfield that were so important to those Pats and Chiefs offenses too. And keep in mind, Brady’s first 3 SBs (over 4 years too), including over what was then the best offense in NFL history the first one they won, had a group of weapons that would be considered bottom of the league.

Relying on the big play is what got us sent home multiple times, caused mid season slumps for 3 consecutive years, etc. Meanwhile Pats and Chiefs have built dynasties doing the opposite.

Hard to fault Elam for being behind 2 guys playing at a very high level. I get the draft slots of him and Benford feel like the roles should be reversed, but draft slot means nothing once you step on the field and Benford is playing great right now. While I would not be surprised if they traded Elam (nor surprised to see him go on to be a good player somewhere), I would think they would be reluctant during the season to get thinner at another position on D while we have already seen so many injuries on that side of the ball unless Beane got an offer to good to not take.

Huh? This isn't evidence, these are just the conclusions you created for yourself from the results of 2 games. And people forget the context of the 13 seconds game where the offense struggled a large part of the game before a late game shootout that included one of those Davis TD's coming on a 4th and 13 play, a terrible situation for an offense to be in. And last year was an even worse example. Allen bomb to Diggs...dropped, much harder play to convert both as a QB and the WR. Then Allen tries to throw a downfield strike to Shakir for a TD but gets his foot stepped on so ball comes up short when he had Diggs running wide open short for what would have bene a first down and could have led to what would have been a game winning TD. So the dink and dunk would have potentially won the game while the two failed deep shots definitely was a big part of us losing that game. So yeah...these literally do not support the "opposite".

Pats built a dynasty on this and Chiefs are in a mini-dynasty built around this. Tom Brady has told Allen to do this as well for years now. Meanwhile the fastest team in history with one of the GOATS at WR and arguably the best set of weapons across the offensive skill positions in the league with a HC that is allegedly an offensive genius can't beat us, teams with a .500 record or win a playoff game. Hmmmm...which offenses should we hope to see more inspiration come from? Win in the trenches, be able to effectively run the ball, and have a smart set of weapons that can win in the short to mid areas of the field. This is the way and what Daboll and Dorsey failed to understand.

OP posts about our youth amongst our starters...others reply about the age of the 53 man roster LOL

Don't know he brings anything to the WR room we don't already have. If we made a move for a WR, I think I would prefer someone who can push MVS for deep ball snaps as I still don't trust MVS hands.

Yup, I totally misunderstood your implication, thats on me. This makes so much more sense, I thought that was an odd post from you so I was confused. My bad Note: I just edited my previous post and fixed the misunderstanding.

I agree with this...although I think I differ some on the reason why. Not saying McD didn't have a role in it...but I think it was more about the fact both Daboll and Dorsey were stubborn to a fault and both struggled to support Allen with an effective run game. Chiefs would have no SB's for Mahomes if not for their ability to effectively run the ball. I would also add in that the Bills notoriously were a small and less physical team that also relied too much on the big play. For me, the win column looks so different with Brady vs Dorsey because that stubbornness left with Dorsey's firing. It was like he set a script and would stubbornly stick to that script even when it wasn't working and DC's had caught up with what was working earlier in the season. Then both Daboll and Dorsey would stubbornly still stick with that for the weeks to follow until they had no choice but to try something different to get out of the skid, except Dorsey lacked the creativity Daboll did and never could snap out of it in 2023 despite low level competition we were facing. Perfect example with Daboll was 2021 when his slump lasted into the Bucs game where we were getting beat bad at half time and Daboll finally decided to get the run game going in the 2nd half and we nearly came back and won the game. From that point on, Devin's involvement and run game increased significantly rest of the season and the offense bounced back that carried us into the post season which included record breaking performances by the offense. To be clear, this is not to say it needed to be run heavy or run first...but if you can't effectively run the ball you put your self behind the chains a lot and that has been an absolute staple of our offensive slumps where we are consistently behind the chains and asking Allen to make hero plays on 3rd and long way too often.

There is nothing wrong with your take here at all. Your concerns about the boundary talent on the team are fair given we have not seen what this group can or can't do yet...and more importantly, we haven't really seen our passing offense even really unleashed just yet to understand how they are going to consistently use the group as a whole. Personally, I am less concerned about the "boundary" than you and some others are because I have watched the 2 most recent dynasties operate without such an attack in the Pats dynasty and Chiefs mini dynasty. Those teams bread and butter is not a downfield attack, dominance on the boundary etc. Even when Hill was there, his best season with Mahomes was more than 500 yards less than he averages in Miami...yet Miami can't beat a .500 team or win a playoff game while Chiefs have 3 SB rings. Brady with all that air it out offense with Moss...no rings. Brady with pedestrian outside WR's but with high end TE play and smart, sure handed, quick, short to mid area WR's has 6 rings. And the common denominator has been a consistent ability to effectively run the ball around those GOAT QB's, short and quick timed passing offense, and YAC. Does that mean we are the next Chiefs or Pats...no of course not. But if there are teams I want to see us draw more inspiration from, its not teams airing it out with no rings to show for it, its teams with 10 rings in the last 25 years or so that also had elite QB's and realized they were better teams by taking higher percentage and lower risk opportunities and exploiting the defenses weak spots than trying to force the ball downfield as much as guys like Daboll and Dorsey have done. Scheme does only get you so far...but its not so much the 1 on 1 battles that concern me, its the OC"s ability to adjust the scheme, gameplan, etc against each opponent and his ability to make live in game adjustments as things work or don't work to said scheme/plan. Keon can win 1 on 1 with size and body control...Shakir can win 1 on 1 with his route running and high IQ...Hollins showed he can win 1 on 1 already in week 1 on his TD running a text book route...MVS has shown he can win his 1 on 1 deep but Allen just has missed on the throw. So we are seeing early signs of 1 on 1 success, and its something we don't even need a lot of. What we have not seen yet is Brady face adversity where the offense is stalling (outside self inflicted things like Allens poor decision on the fumble or the rust with the false start penalties we saw early in week 1). So that is when we will really start to know if what Brady is building here is going to be sustainable, at least with this current group, as the season goes on. And as I mentioned in another post here, I think his first real sniff test with be Houston as they will then have 4 weeks of film on this offense to game plan for with a defensive front 7 that can disrupt the QB and a defensive HC. It is still just one early season game, so how we fare that week won't make or break anything, but I do think that is about the time where we put enough on tape that DC's can better understand how to prepare for us and they have a roster to execute what they want to do. So will Brady catch them off guard with more things that have not seen a lot of, will Brady run into some challenges and need to make in game adjustments, etc is the question. GO Bills!

Yup and our RB had 3 TD’s and our offense mailed it in the entire second half to chew clock and avoid injuries during a blowout as well. So people concerned about WR stats this week seem to be over looking a lot of context.

Adding to that...Bills only had 2 pass attempts until the final drive of the first half over the final 2 and a half minutes. From that exact moment over the next 59 straight minutes of play, the Bills offense scored 54 points. They had a FG prior to that and another 7 from a defensive TD after that. Now factor in because of the defensive TD early in the 2nd half, the Bills offense coasted and chewed clock from that point on. If not for the early rust fumble week 1 or the blowout week 2, Bills very well might have put up 90+ points over the first 2 weeks with ease. But...now we face a team we keep playing DOWN too in the Jags the last couple outings. So with the long layoff, I hope they come out flat or cold. I want to see them come out sharp and get a rhythm going again like they have been establishing this season.

I agree really with all of this Happy. I said coming into the Fins game get ready for a lot of Cook/Davis on a short week on the road in a humid stadium. Why...because its hardest on the DL and the Fins front 7 were already a mess. Plus controlling the game on the ground also counters their offensive speed by keeping it off the field. And that is also what I have loved about Brady, he doesn't go out there and just try and make his "system" work, he adapts to the game and gameplans accordingly. Dorsey felt like he stubbornly stuck to a script even when the script was poor and not working. For me, week 5 is the first sniff test for Brady. Houston has a good offense and good defense. They have a defensive HC. They will have 4 weeks of tape on this offense plus any tendencies Diggs helps point out. Win or lose won't make or end Brady, but that for me will be the first real stiff test for the reasons I stated above. Can he adjust, counter, bring things they haven't seen or expecting...things like that against a well coached and talented team with the defensive prowess to put our toughest test of the season. But the reason I am optimistic we can avoid an offensive slump this year is because I feel like we finally have the ability to incorporate the run and short area pass attack that can help build rhythm, move chains, etc even if nothing else is working down field. Where before, we were highly dependent on the down field attack working or the offense was in trouble. Daboll and Dorsey were frustratingly stubborn to a fault in contrast.

Depends...whats your spillage budget for all the dropped beers?

All fair points. As to the midseason slump we have seen 3 straight years...here are two reasons to be more optimistic we can break that trend this year: #1 Reason to believe it may be different this year: The Run Game. 2021 - 2023 (until Dorsey firing): The common denominator with all 3 seasons was the lack of a run game to compliment Josh. Not saying we needed to be run first or run dominant, but Daboll struggled to run the ball and so did Dorsey. Since Brady took over, we have had a much more reliable run game and that looks to be even more improved in the small sample of this year. You win the tough games in the trenches and being able to effectively run the ball when necessary. Chiefs and Patriots all ran the ball very well despite having what many consider the 2 GOATS already in Brady and Mahomes. Neither QB has nearly as many personal or team accolades without their respective teams ability to compliment their QB's with a quality run game. #2 Reason - Short area pass attack Those short area throws that are almost an extension of the run game, also something both the Chiefs and Pats did more than anyone. This has been something that this team has struggled with, especially in the physicality department. Only guy we had with size was Gabe, and he was not good in these areas, his bread and butter was down field with a limited route tree. And Allen now has the weapons to execute that, as well as an OC that seems to understand how to build that into the offense. These are the things that also open up things all over the field for Allen to attack as well. This team has been way too dependent on the big play for too long. Teams would take that away and the offense would go into a funk each of the last 3 years. You want to win consistently...you want to win in the postseason...you want to win close games...these are the things that are major components of that. To be clear, does NOT mean to be conservative or run first. You use these to keep moving the chains and keep teams having to cover the whole field and open up those mid to deep shots. But for too long we were way too dependent on the big play and this offense was too easily disrupted by taking that away. Me personally, if you were to ask me which offenses I want Joe Brady to try and incorporate more of...elements and things that the Pats and Chiefs have done or more of the Daboll/Dorsey stuff...well that is a pretty easy answer for me and it is the thing I am the most encouraged about regarding Brady. DISCLAIMER: Brady still needs to be tested, as with each passing week teams have more film. So as teams prepare to try and disrupt his flow and offense he still needs to show he can keep making the adjustments. So this is a story far from over right now, just sharing the reasons that I think will help us potentially snap that 3 year streak of a midseason slump.

It. Is. Just. This. Simple.

What is the over/under on how many people want us to sign him around here because he can run fast in a straight line even though he doesn't do much of anything else well?

Except that is not what happened, I mean I literally gave you nothing but detail in my simple and short reply to something you said. You can pick any one of my many long-detailed posts all over this board on the subject and reply to them if you want to have a deeper convo on it...or just start one...or keep doing this complaining schtick...whatever floats your boat. But I do find it ironic you are complaining about posts that don't have enough "historical perspective or decent statistical analysis" while making a post that literally has none of that or adds anything to the conversation really. But I do full agree with the bolded that fast starts are no indication of long-term results, or even slow starts for that matter (like people who wanted to declare the Jets dead after week 1). Teams will literally add film on Brady and this offense with each passing week to try and better prepare to defend it. It is going to be up to Brady to figure out how to keep adjusting in order to find consistent success and avoid any offensive slump again like this team has gone through the past 3 seasons. IMHO - Week 5 is going to be our first true test...that is 4 weeks of film, that is a legit defense, that is a legit offense there in Hou. That is a defensive HC too. That is the game for Brady to officially take his first sniff test IMHO.