Alphadawg7

See now this is a fair assessment, good post. I do have a few counter points that need to be considered though: We have invested more picks on offense than you guys have tallied. We used multiple picks on Allen, Diggs, Ford, and Knox to trade up get all of those players. Those have to be accounted for as part of the investment into the offense, especially since some of them were premium picks. Fans still over emphasize the first 2 rounds. Rosters and championship teams are built through out the draft. The OP I objected to seems to only count the first 2 rounds as how we address positions. Yet our day 3 selected players in Davis, Singletary, Knox, Brown, Milano, etc have all been vital parts of our team and some of our best players this year. We have hit bigger on key offensive additions, meaning less holes to fill, in both the draft and free agency signings. Allen and Diggs are grand slam additions. Cole Beasley was a tremendous FA grab. When you hit on your first try with some of the best at their respective positions, it means less needs to be addressed. So for me, I think it can be argued we have invested more into the offense in terms of draft picks when you factor in the cost to move up and get some of those guys, and there has been a balance of building and addressing needs on both sides of the ball. End of the day, some people like the OP I think are just still salty we went DE back to back last year, because there are not real merits to his actual claims that we have prioritized the defense for 5 years. I mean we are also the top offense in the league over the last 2 years, that didn't just magically appear. Again, those comments not directed to you at all, but back at the OP I responded to. Your post was a fair and well composed counter point.

Yeah, but they also do not know what happened on those plays, and will hear Fraziers side of it still. We don't know if it was Frazier or if the players poorly executed what was intended. Just saying, they are not going to give up on Frazier over that if they felt he was the right guy. Anyone in the NFL knows its never a single persons fault.

Lol…No it’s not gonna affect his chances. Did it cost Kyle Shanahan his shot when he choked away the SB with a 28-3 lead? They aren’t going to sit back and say it was Fraziers fault. Mahomes and Kelce are special and the D was gassed. Plus the squib kick didn’t happen, which is seen as the main reason. Doesnt mean he was ever getting a job, but nothing has changed in terms of teams interest in him. If they wanted him before that they will still want him now.

Allen, Diggs, Devin, Knox, Moss, Ford, Brown. Guess you missed those. Also missed the fact that teams are built all over the draft, not just first two rounds. Also missed all the offensive free agent signings. We have actually addressed offense as much or more than defense. You just want to cherry pick certain picks while ignoring other draft picks, free agents, and trades. You are literally factually incorrect. Not even opinion conversation, there are literally no facts that support your case we have only addressed the defense for 5 years.

Im not saying to address only one of the other. I’m saying it’s utterly ridiculous to come on here (not you, the poster I quoted) and claim we have only focused on defense the last 5 years and therefore it’s a mistake to give any attention the defense this off-season. We absolutely need to also address the OL. I disagree we need more speed, our offense was plenty explosive. I’m all for more speed, just saying the Achilles heal on offense was always our OL more than anything. Fix that and we are all the top offense in the NFL next year. We have needs to address on both sides of the ball this off-season.

I mean this makes sense to me based on what we saw and what’s been said by McD

Daboll may intend to, does not mean Dorsey accepts if the Bills also offer him the OC position here. I will bet Daboll told Dorsey that he would take him with him, and told the Giants the same. And Dorsey probably said he would because Daboll hasn’t left yet and the Bills haven’t offered yet. I would seriously doubt he goes to NYG if the Bills offer him to be the OC with Allen. That puts him on the fast track to a HC gig if he stays here and has continued success and possibly even a SB win.

Lmao. Really? We traded a first for Diggs, traded up twice for Allen, traded up for Ford, drafted Devin, Knox, Davis, Brown, etc. But please, tell us all again how we only focused on defense the last 5 years. Offense was unstoppable in the playoffs and defense didn’t get the job done against KC. Yet you’re somehow opposed to addressing the defense? Geezus this place is off he rails right now

If I could hit the “awesome” emoticon to this post a hundred times, I would. Post of the day! Perfectly said. 👏

Weird, we were all hoping the same from you when you posted this

I don’t know honestly, but I notice they always have Edmunds playing further back a lot. I’d just like to see a DC look at Edmunds and focus on turning him loose in a more aggressive manner like they use Parsons in Dallas.

I think what you hate is really how Frazier uses Edmunds. They have him floating and roaming way too much off the LOS and bank on his speed and acceleration to get to the ball. Which is why it seems he gets there later than he should. I would like you to see Edmunds under a new DC who tries to use those gift he has athletically and let him play a more aggressive role.

For one, they rarely use Edmunds as a pass rusher. It’s amazing how many people don’t seem to understand this around here. You can’t sack what you’re not chasing. I would like to see another DC use Edmunds differently than he is being used. It’s like they trust his speed so much that they have way off the he ball almost roaming and reacting instead of using his gifts to let him play aggressive.

Patterson makes sense, but hard pass on Ridley. Davis has earned the spot, Ridley doesn’t have his head right.

Well assuming Daboll gets the job and then both Daboll and McD offer him the OC position, it will come down who he chooses to go with.

I am ready to move on from Daboll. Too inconsistent in how he calls games. Like the first half I was cursing at him constantly. What he has done here and with Allen has been great, but for us to take the next step, I think we need a change at OC and DC personally. Frazier needs to go, he lacks situational awareness in how he calls game and is poor at adjusting in game. Both have to be commended for what they have done to get us here, but I think we need to evolve now and take a further step and some new blood at the two key coordinator positions I think are whats best for us. Also...I still hope we replace Bobby Johnson too.

Yeah, he wasn't overly productive overall outside of TD's...but to be fair to Knox though, he also can't catch what isn't thrown at him as he wasn't getting a lot of targets either. Also, with our struggles to pass protect and run block, Knox became important in those areas too which is why I think he wasn't a focal point as much in the offense as he maybe could be. Feels like he really played a bigger role in the Redzone. He still needs to clean up the easy drops though. He will make a catch that makes your head turn then drop a 6 yard pass right in his hands. But I do think this was the start of his emergence this year. I think if they further improve the OL this offseason, we could see them unleash Knox more often as a receiver next year.

Well said 👏

Well said Gunner, I feel the same for the most part. McD and Beane have been one of the best tandems in the league over their time. You would be hard pressed to find a duo that has accomplished more than what they have in the same time period. Took the franchise from obscurity and made it into one of the best teams in the league in short fashion. I am fully confident our time will come while Allen is our QB too. Now...on the other hand I think I am done with Daboll and Frazier personally. Daboll is too inconsistent in how he calls games. He was driving me crazy in the first half, even my fiance was screaming at him in the first half. With Frazier, I think we often make good halftime adjustments (like the Bucs game), but I think that has more to do with McD having input on those adjustments more than Frazier. Where Frazier has been a liability is he has bad situational awareness in how he calls his defense, and is terrible at adjusting in game on the fly when things are not working. I think for us to take the next step, new blood at OC and DC are what this team needs (assuming they get the hires right as it can definitely also end up worse too). Allen is at that point now where he is an elite player, I think bringing in some new ideas and schemes will benefit him and this offense, especially the defense.

I almost laughed out loud when I read this it was such a bad take. Like might honestly be the worst one I have seen yet and that is saying something around here. Find me a roster that is good enough to win in the playoffs WITHOUT their top 3 QB...lmao. Yet without our #1 defense in the league carrying us in various games this season while our offense was out of sync, we not only would NOT have won the division, we may have not even made the playoffs. But hey, since all of our success and wins were ONLY Allen...why not cut or trade away all the guys Beanes signed and drafted to help Josh. According to you, they add nothing and its all Josh anyway. Get rid of Diggs, Cole, Davis, Knox, the OL etc...save that cap space and just get some JAGs off the street for vet min. All of our success was ONLY Josh anyway, so we shouldn't miss a beat right? Geezus.

Why is it fair one team by default has to beat the other team on TWO drives (first defending, then scoring) and the other only has to beat the other team on ONE drive (get the ball first and score)? 2 drives to win is more than 1 drive to win...therefore not equal. Everyone saying its fair and equal is mathematically incorrect.

Points win games. Both teams should get a chance to score points in OT. Not...hey you get a chance BUT ONLY if you do this first ever though the other team gets to try and get points without having to do that first. The team that won the coin flip did NOT have to play defense first to get their chance to score points.

Yet he wasn't the reason why we lost and he made some other important plays last night too. But he is the focus and target today anyway. Look, your criticism on resigning him is fair, you think he will get a big pay day (and he might just get that from someone) and you feel if its us then its a bad use of cap. I don't have an issue with you feeling that way, its a legitimate question with him when it comes to what he is worth. But, I take exception that he is taking the blame for yesterday when he is so far down the list of what the biggest contributors to the loss were. Thats like blaming your ex girlfriend for your bad day just because you had a missed call from her. Like I said before, its going to come down to what kind of deal he gets. If he gets what fans fear he will get, I can't see us being the team to pay him. Beane values and covets his cap space, I can't see him over paying if Edmunds isn't doing on the field what they expect him to do. This FO has literally never done that once, and there is no reason to believe they just will blindly give him what ever he wants. I personally would like to see him under a new DC and see how he is used. I feel like they have Edmunds floating too much and too far away from the LOS and forcing him to make decisions on the fly way too often as things develop. I would like to seem them use him in a more aggressive and decisive manner and see if they can really tap into all that explosive athletic ability.

not sure I have seen a worst take on this subject...honestly.

Its absolutely fair and warranted to debate, ponder, or question the resigning of him from a cost to cap point of view. Thats true with any player really that has a reasonably sized contract. But Edmunds takes a ton of blame for losses, even in games where he played stellar or was not even the problem...this thread comes back up and all the blame goes to him. I am just saying, raging about Edmunds TODAY about YESTERDAY is a waste of time, he is no where near the top of the list of why we lost yesterday. Does that mean that he should be a lock to comeback or a lock to be gone...no, his future his a worthy one to evaluate and question, especially before we really know what it cost to retain him if they wanted to. But thats not what happens with him, everyone here is mostly piling on him and praying he is gone as if he was the reason we lost, even without a real solution to replace him. This board wanted a lot of other players gone too like London Fletcher blaming him for things that were not always on him either. Just to see him go on to continue to be great elsewhere and finish 2nd in NFL history in tackles. But people here said he sucks and only tackles guys 7 yards down field...sound familiar? I personally would like to see how Edmunds is used by a new DC as I think a lot of what people have an issue with in terms of Edmunds is how he is used.