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Not to pile on here, but there isn't any other real interesting convos going on right hahaha. But Hill being one of the top 2 WR's in the NFL is just not accurate, and he more closely mirrors Amari Cooper in production than he does any of the top 5 guys. Do you know how many times Hill has broken 100 yards in a game each of the past 3 seasons? Just 8 games out of those 42 games he has topped 100 yards while playing with Mahomes on one of the most prolific offenses in the NFL. Adams on the other hand, had 8 games in 2021 alone with over 100 yards and averages close to that a season. Like Amari, Hill has s a couple of very big games that make his season total look pretty (yet never as good as Adams totals) and a lot of other games where he doesn't make a huge impact. Case in point, 43% of his yards and 60% of his TD's last year came in just 3 games. And this is par for the course annually with Hill. He had 8 games last year where he had under 65 yards and no TD, most of which were under 50 yards. Adams on the other hand has played in 42 games the last 3 years and has 100 yards or more in 21 of them. Thats literally half the games he has played in. He is consistently a beast throughout the season and that is what he does pretty much every year since becoming a #1 WR. Hopkins is coming off a season where he was ranked 31st in yards per route run, never had a 100 yard game, and only had a 20% target share which was 35th amongst WR's. In other words, he was a far cry from the dominant take over WR he had been when he was easily a top 2 WR in the past. He was still very good in the redzone with 8 TD's, but he didn't have the same impact on the field overall indicative of a top 2 WR. And being 30 and having a PED suspension, there are legit questions now about whether or not physically he can get back to where he was when he was a top 2 WR. His days as a top 2 WR IMHO are behind him. I love DK and wanted the Bills so badly to draft him and we instead took Ford. But, at the end of the day, DK doesn't have the same route tree as the other guys who are in the top 5, even though he is elite at what he does best. Agreed Agree, Kupp is absolutely in the top 2 WR's right now, but he is not wrong on Dhop and Hill, he is actually fairly accurate. Hill is certainly top 10, (where is subjective) but he is not top 5 for reasons I already stated. DHop as I already explained at 30 is now coming off injuries, the worst year of his career, a PED suspension, and has a lot to prove before he can regain top 5 status. For me, top 5 today is pretty clear and probably easily the consensus...and in no particular order: Adams, Kupp, Jefferson, Diggs, and Chase. Former top 5 guys looking to rebound back into the top 5 are Hopkins and Thomas, but both have a lot to prove to get back into those convos. Especially given the talent level of the top 5 today. The next consensus next 5 is more debatable, but I think in no particular order 4 of the guys are Hill, Deebo, Hopkins, and Evans (all in no particular order). That final spot is harder to narrow down as I think several WR's could make a case...guys like K. Allen, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Lamb and potentially Michael Thomas if he comes back stong this season. Some young guys could be knocking on that door too who are going to all see significant QB upgrades this season for the first time in their careers...guys like McLaurin, DJ Moore, Sutton, and Jeudy.

I would suspect if you polled every GM and Coach in the NFL he would be the consensus top pick as the best WR in the league. Him and Kupp would get the most votes right now without question. If you watch film on him, he is dominant at every phase of the position. I am actually stunned to see you call him overrated because the film shows he might actually be underrated. A lot of people just kind of do a lazy assumption that Rodger's greatness made him, but the film doesn't lie and shows he is arguably the best WR in the NFL.

I don't know if he will get his first TD against the Rams or not, but I like the bold prediction and its certainly possible. I have been saying since the moment he was drafted; this kid is special and reminds me of Kupp. And it's no coincidence given he has modeled his game after Kupp. That doesn't mean he automatically will just be as good as Kupp, but this kid has that kind of potential. I fully expect him to get on the field this year and make his share of plays. I don't know how much he does or doesn't play in the opener as that will come down to both how much the staff and Allen trust him (seemingly growing every day) as a rookie in his first game, but also the context of the game. He has a bright future here in Buffalo IMHO.

Hard disagree with this description...This statement lacks context and very misleading to who Davante Adams really is. I mean absolutely no disrespect Gunner, but I have to be honest here...saying he only went over 1000 yards 3 times is just a lazy assessment of Adams and the type of player he is and disconnected from the level of player he really is. He did not even become the true #1 receiver until 2018. Prior to that, it was Jordy Nelson who was for years Rodgers favorite target. 2017 was the actual first year he led the Packers in receiving with almost 900 yards. No one had 1000 yards because Rodgers missed the final 9 1/2 weeks injured and Brett Hundley was the QB. It was also Nelsons final year, who despite playing all but one game had under 500 yards that year. Since 2018, his first season as the #1 WR in GB with a full season of Rodgers, Adams has averaged 1,327 yards a season despite missing an average of almost 2 games a year. In fact, the only season he did not get to 1000 (missed it by 3 yards at 997) he missed 4 games and was on pace for well over 1300 yards again. Adams literally embarrasses and abuses defenders on almost every snap. I have never seen a WR this big ever get the kind of separation Adams gets, and I don't mean a little, by a lot. He is going to do great in a system with YAC because he creates so much separation. My advice is do not sleep on Adams in Oakland. Yes, Carr is no Rodgers, but the absurd amount of talent Adams possesses gets overlooked and overshadowed by the star power and accolades of Rodgers. He is literally the only guy in the NFL I would actually rank ahead of Diggs in Route running; he is that good at it despite his size. I highly recommend to everyone watching this short video to see what a beast Adams truly is. https://www.instagram.com/reel/ChpyFVagVL1/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D

The difference is both Adams and Hill got insane deals that were just not going to work for their respective teams given the massive amounts of money invested at QB and the cap restrictions they had. While we have a highly paid QB, that contract for Allen was done perfectly ahead of the new cap where Allen's deal will look like a bargain soon, if not already. Beane did the same with Diggs, he got paid a lot, but it's not the insane cap busting contract Adams and Hill got. So that is the biggest difference here, our GM was able to secure our #1 wideout on a big, but not unbearable contract while doing the same with our QB. And he has been masterful in how he has handled all the contracts around here for the most part. So, I don't foresee Buffalo being in a position to where they are forced into a move. Both GB and KC were forced by the WRs, who both sat out to be the highest paid at their position and were not settling for anything less on teams that had 2 of the highest paid QB's in the league. Both KC and GB had cap issues that we don't have yet. And that again is a testament to Beane in how he manages contracts, and also a testament to the the whole team, the players, the locker room, Bills Mafia, Buffalo, etc to where players consistently have shown they want to stay in Buffalo and willing to offer a discount, even if small, to remain here. Bottom line, I fully expect Diggs to play out his contract in Buffalo.

Only move I see Beane maybe doing here with the extra cushion is maybe something with Poyer, otherwise I think he sits on the cap space for the time being as a cushion.

Ah, didn't see that, just saw other posters saying we save over $2M cutting him so was going off of what they said. But I just googled it now to confirm its fully guaranteed. So let me rephrase...wont surprise me to see the Bills trade OJ Howard before week 1 at this point either. Although I am also confident that if Beane thinks the team is better off without OJ on it and can't find a trade partner, he would still cut him to keep the player who best will help this team. But his fully guaranteed contract does make it less likely he is cut, but still a possibility if he doesn't find a way to earn his spot this next week. Personally, I am still intrigued by him and hope it works out. But also, not going to lose any sleep if he doesn't make the week 1 roster.

Gesicki has said he is essentially learning a new position this year, referencing having to block versus just previously being more of a big receiver. So given blocking isn't something he excels at, it's not a surprise they are open to trading a TE making $10M that can't play the posit ion the way the offense is designed for him to play. It also would not surprise me to see OJ Howard cut by the Bills on our way to the final 53. What was once an exciting free agent signing to pair his athleticism with Josh Allen and this offense, is now seemingly having the worst camp of all the TE's and appears behind both Morris and Sweeney. Bills save over $2M cutting him too, so Howard may have to really turn it on here and fast if he is going to survive final cut downs.

If we freed up cap space and didn't spend it on our own players, I think it could have a negative impact on the locker room. We have 4 key (and beloved amongst their teammates) players in that locker room, 2 from each side of the ball, in need of a new contract: Poyer, Edmunds, Knox, and Devin...not mention Ed Oliver will be in his 5th year option next year and in line for a new deal. So, I would be shocked if we restructured and then spent the money on someone outside the team. If we free any cap space up, my guess is Poyer gets an extension before the season starts. I think the plan is to wait and see how this season plays out with the other 3 right now.

I’m pretty sure David Sills has been there since he left Buffalo though, before Schoen and Daboll got there

With Stevenson hurt and Now Austin cut, that means no KR only specialist being kept at WR is likely happening. That is the best case scenario for Hodgins in his quest to make the final 53 that an extra roster spot at WR not going to a returner. Still not a lock, but that definitely improves his chances.

Touche you’re right on that 😂

I was talking about as a runner that’s why, because I’ve seen people suggest trading our other RBs to keep him on the active 53…and not just Moss (who is someone that could get traded), but trades of Devin and even Cook. Im in no way against him, and like his potential too, and if he doesn’t make the roster I’m certain he will be on the PS.

IMHO both Hodgins and Blackshear hype is out of control. Hodgins is averaging a whopping 9 yards per catch through 2 games...while leading the team in targets, catches and playing against backups and scrubs who wont be on rosters come week 1. If one of our top 3 WR's was doing that, everyone would be freaking out saying we need to go find a WR to replace him. Blackshear had a 6 carry for 11 yards first game and has really only had one good or standout play, a 25 yard run in the 2nd game against guys who wont be on NFL rosters week 1. But now he is getting the Antonio Williams hype, but at least AW did something in a regular season game. I am all for young guys, and I will root for these guys to make the team, I have nothing against them. But man, the over exaggeration on them is so thick that I have seen suggestions to trade away better players to make sure we keep them. They are being talked up like they are future all pros and need to be kept at all costs. Yet neither has really lit the league on fire despite weak competition.

Best part about this trade is not having to hear about him on this board anymore...so its a good day

Actually, that's exactly what you would do. If anyone is going to offer Beane anything worth him considering they will want to see that Moss can run with the starters. Beane won't care about getting a 6th or 7th for Moss, he would likely keep him during a SB run for that cheap. But a 5th I think gets him at least thinking about it, but a 4th would probably do the trick. But to get anyone to offer a 4th, or even a 5th, they need to see something good from him after last year. Also, Devin with his low center of gravity, better vision, better explosion into the hole has been the better short yardage back than Moss so far. People forget how much power Devin runs with; he frequently carries the pile forward. And don't forget about Josh in those situations too. Getting back to Moss, I am not saying he is for sure trying to get offers on Moss, but I mentioned this after the first preseason game as a possibility. It's what they did do with Sammy too and some others before. But make no mistake about it, Devin is the feature runner this year. So, if they feel Cook can also spell Devin in the run game and not just be a pass catching specialist, then that will open the door for a Moss trade if they get an offer they like. Also, the only significant buzz of boost of confidence in Moss of relevance I saw was also Beane talking him up. Again, something a GM would do to get people to make inquiries. Everyone in the league knows we have Devin and drafted Cook. If an injury happens or they are looking for some help at RB, Bills are a team likely to get a call with 3 guys that can play a significant role in an offense. I definitely don't think Beane is interested in cutting him or giving him away cheap...so it would take a reasonable offer, probably a fourth if I had to guess before Beane got serious about trading him.

This is what I have been saying all off season! I have kept saying to the “we didn’t do enough” to address the OL crowd all off season that they keep grossly over looking and under valuing the massive upgrade from that loser Bobby Johnson to one of the best OL coaches in the league in Kromer. And you can already see the difference on the field. Our OL is going to be much improved this year, especially in the run game where the run blocking already looks night and day difference.

There is the other popular misunderstanding of ST contributions. Only one guy will make the tackle...its NOT about how many tackles you get, its about how well you play your role to force the returner into a tackle and contain the return. Literally closing off the lanes is substantially more important than who gets the credit for the tackle. A tackle can happen anywhere on the field...on a 5 yard return or a 50 yard return. What matters most is not allowing the runner the space to make the return and force him into the coverage for as short of a gain as possible.

Yet, they did NOT use the backup in McKenzie despite all that. Again, neither Hodgins or Kumerow will sniff the field this year as a WR. To put it a better way, if either of them has to play a significant role we are in trouble and hunting for WR help on the FA market and trade market.

Im not Kumerow campaign guy by any means, I just want us to field the best team possible. So, who ever gets that WR spot Hodgins is fighting for just needs to be reliable on ST because that is their role on the team they are being kept for. Thats all I am saying, I hope its Hodgins too.

Disagree...the guys who deserve to stay are the guys who make your team better. If his primary role is to make the team via ST and he isn't good enough at ST, then he doesn't deserve to make the team over someone who has ALSO put in all the work to be the best he can at his job. People act like only Hodgins has worked hard. Again, rooting for him, but he isn't entitled to anything just because he worked hard when all these guys are working hard and fighting for jobs too.

Yeah and look, not hating on Hodgins, I am rooting for Hodgins too, its a great story as well. Just saying, if he can't cut it on ST he wont make the team, because that will be the primary role of what ever WR makes the team at that point of the depth chart.

Except neither him or TD Jesus will contribute on the field as a WR this year regardless how makes it. Thats the point.

Hodgins wont amass even 10 receptions this year if he makes the team. McKenzie only had 20 last year despite being higher on the depth chart than Hodgins will be this year and seeing the guy ahead of him (Beasley) play drop and miss some time. Guys who get it done on O? Hodgins is averaging 9 yards per catch over 2 preseason games against scrubs who many wont make an NFL roster. If we had a starter doing that people would be calling for him to be cut.

I like Hodgins, and will root for him. But the over excitement on him seems a bit much. Through 2 preseason games hes averaging 9 yards per catch against scrubs. Shakir for example has been substantially more impressive. And like I pointed out before, the last 2 years while fielding a pass happy #1 offense in the AFC, our 5th WR (McKenzie) averaged just 25 rec for 240 yards and no one else behind him even had a hundred yards on the season. Hodgins will not play any relevant minutes at WR and will be a total non factor if we keep him at WR. He is a feel good story, sure. He is very likable, sure. But...if he cant be effective on ST's, he doesn't have a role on the team because he isn't going to see many snaps at WR unless we see a plethora of injuries at WR, in which we almost assuredly make a move to bring WR help in via trade or FA if that was the case.