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Except you are referring to me and that’s NOT what I said. That’s how you took it, but that’s not what I said. What I actually said is stop over reacting to an elite player playing elite. You can’t mortgage your future over one game, but if you guys were the GM you would do just that in response to the best player in the NFL playing out of his mind Sunday. Our last rushers were just fine when we played them and beat hen in the regular season. You seem to think magically a different player makes another tackle or two, but there is literally no evidence to your assumptions. And you want to add one “game wrecker” while the Chiefs had three and didn’t slow us down despite us having the worse OL. So sorry, this “game wrecker” cure all theory is not something I am buying. You think the Chiefs now are gonna go add a fourth game wrecker pass rusher now because Allen popped off? No. Reactive personnel decisions like that are what kills franchises futures. This isn’t Madden. Besides: We were the better team Sunday, won the game, and then gave it away over a miscommunication error between our ST Coordinator and Bass. And that was WITHOUT our best defensive player in Tre, who would have been much more impactful than a different DE that got like one more sack. Fans tend to grossly over value sack statistics. So let’s get better where we really need to. More speed in the secondary, get Tre White back at full strength, bolster the OL and interior DL. We were already better than them as is, now do those things and we will get past them decisively. Which is also why I don’t expect any big splash at DE. We have 3 guys in the first 2 rounds who are here to take over as our older DE’s rotate out. And Groot is 100% starting again next year after his promising first season. I really don’t anticipate another DE in the draft in first 2 rounds either this year.

You may be correct on that, but if he does, I would expect it will be through the draft though if he went after another DE. However, I think it’s unlikely we go DE in the first 2 rounds unless someone surprising falls into their lap they covet and was BPA. Can’t see him making a big trade taking a lot of draft capital and a lot of cap space. Now that we have extended Allen, cap management becomes critical to continue fielding balanced and talented teams. So we need those draft picks (especially since we should be perennially picking late) to keep infusing young affordable talent into the roster, especially to help our efforts to retain our own that we want to keep each year. All that being said, I do know and respect Beane is a wizard, so nothing is ever out the question. I just think it’s a very low probability we make a big splashy move for a premiere DE in a trade.

Again, Chiefs have 3 of these guys…they still weren’t finishing the same sacks on Allen against a worse OL. Your assumption that a different DE finishes the sacks on the pressures we got on Mahomes is just that, merely an assumption, and an overly optimistic one I might add given the level Mahomes and Allen were playing at Sunday. We likely aren’t making a big move for some top end DE, so might as well not get your hopes up. We invested 3 picks in the first 2 rounds the past two years at DE. We aren’t giving up a fortune in draft capital to get one, nor is Beane shelling out some cap choking contract either when we have other holes to fill and coming off a season where we were among the league leaders at pressuring the QB.

Again, I respectfully ask what did the game breaking pass rushers the Chiefs do to stop Allen? They have 3 of them and Allen had their way with them and looked like a video game out there. They didn't fare any better than our guys did on Mahomes, and our guys were getting pressure on Mahomes all day. I think at some point, people need to just take their hat off to greatness and realize it didn't matter who we had at DE that game, Mahomes and Allen were playing on whole other levels and thats why they are the two highest paid players in history. Like I said before though, I am not opposed to a "game wrecker" at DE...but this isn't Madden where you can make that happen easy. 1 - One of them has to be available. 2 - The compensation to get him has to be acceptable by both parties. 3 - The contract has to be absorbable in our cap or reworkable. So, this really isn't even a realistic expectation IMHO. What game wrecker is even available? I can't think of one that fits that description that is for sure available, and if one was, unless they are old, its going to be expensive in terms of draft capital, especially how late we are drafting. And how could we fit a player of that calibers contract into our cap and still shore up all the other holes we have adequately too?

I wouldn't call AJE a bust yet. With Hughes and Addison still playing at a high level this year and the surprise of how much Groot played and excelled as a rookie after sitting out a year, it limited the role for AJE. But, all his teammates rave about him and I think this next year will be a potential breakout year for him. Wasn't that long ago (last year) that people here were calling Oliver a bust...now he is a "no brainer" to pick up his option and seen as a long term piece here. My expectation going into next year is that week 1, Groot and AJE will be our starters at DE. I think Hughes comes back, but will be a rotational guy. Exactly why I keep telling people its too early to give up on AJE too.

In the game I watched, our guys were pressuring Mahomes a lot, but like Josh he is incredible at getting away. And those game wreckers the Chiefs had arguably had an even worse day trying to get Allen. And we got that pressure mostly rushing only 4 and not blitzing. We beat them in the regular season blitzing zero times too. I just think people need to stop over reacting when elite players play elite. We didn't lose that game because we didn't have a game wrecker at DE is my point. I just cant see what a "game wrecker" really changes the last game the way Mahomes and Allen were playing. We got a lot of pressure on Mahomes throughout the game as it was, many of which would have been sacks of other QBs not named Mahomes, Allen, or Lamar. Mahomes and Allen were just on a different level Sunday. Having Tre White there would have been something that would have had a bigger impact though, like Hill probably doesn't get that long TD if White is in the game. So I just don't see that being where we need to invest our limited cap space. Boost the OL, depth at CB, beef on the DL are where I would focus. Plus we have 2 second round picks and a first round pick at DE to get on the field this year. Look at how Oliver finally broke out this year, we need to keep grooming and developing the talent we have here who were all showing good things this past year.

Bills are a fast track to a HC gig. Career wise, staying here statistically will give him better odds of getting a HC gig in the next 2 to 3 years. Doesn't mean he cant do that somewhere else, but he will have a lot better shot at shining and being in demand working with Allen and this offense than starting somewhere during a rebuild. Look at Daboll, much longer and more impressive resume...took him a long time to finally get real consideration as a HC because they had to build the offense up first then show it wasn't a fluke too. Lot of people thought he would get it last year, and that didn't happen. Yet as you look around the league, you see guys step into coordinator spots with great offenses and start getting HC buzz and mentions much quicker.

What did the Chiefs multiple game wreckers do against Josh Allen? Nothing. This is being over exaggerated. Everyone fan wants double digit sack numbers, but thats not even equal to one play a game. Getting pressure is what matters the most consistently and we did plenty of that and have a stable of young guys who need to see the field. I am not against some big time talent at DE, but those are also NOT readily available and also come with cap choking contracts we can't afford. Fix the OL, add some depth at CB, and bring in another beefy DT. All of that is much higher priority and I will bet money the front office sees it that way too.

Im not sure what happened to some people here who are some how taking this negatively. How can something so positive thats going to help so many be seen as a negative? If that is not a sign you take being a fan way too seriously than I dont know what is.

Hard hard hard disagree. I’m not weakening our team over a miscommunication. Everyone in this thread would have been fired from every job they ever had or currently have if you got fired for a single mistake. Sorry firing him would be a huge emotional over reaction. And how do we know it wasn’t a player that was supposed to tell Bass? Or maybe someone shouted at him and he didn’t hear with crowd noise? Not to mention we still had multiple chances to not lose that game after the kickoff in both regulation and OT. Just would be foolish to fire him after our ST unit was among the best in the NFL this year. This season is over. Stupid to lessen our team now over it going into next season where we are on a new quest to win it all just to satisfy some fans appetite for blood as if that changes anything.

Why does some need to take the fall? It doesn’t change the outcome. Our ST unit was one of the best in the NFL this year, so why do you want to weaken it for some sort of personal gratification over a miscommunication?

This is awesome, classy move

Make. It. Stop.

Who said we are drafting a DE? But we need a CB given we don’t know Tre’s recovery or Levi’s future as a FA…possibly a LB if they don’t intend to extend Edmunds, and Star’s likely replacement. We also need OL help too. Plenty of pieces are higher on the list than WR and DE.

I am honestly hoping Frazier moves on for the same reason. Guy I really want is Flores, but I would be happy with Fangio too.

But why would we waste a first on another WR? We have Diggs and Davis set as the top 2 guys next year. Our offense is not why the season is over right now. Sign another FA if need be at WR, or take one in another round. Can't see any reason why we would take one in the first when Davis is heading into his third year and looking like he is about to be a major breakout.

IMHO, I think its possible a lot of what people don't like about Edmunds has a lot to do with how he is used and what he is asked to do. I would like to see Edmunds one more year but under a different DC who would use his athletic talents in a more aggressive manner, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons. I would think a new DC would salivate at creating schemes to utilize his speed and size. I feel like Edmunds is more used like a third safety more so than an anchor at MLB. Like they bank on his speed to be able react and get to the ball as a second line of defense instead of him being a main guy up front getting to the RB or QB. Which is why a lot of people talk about "where" he makes tackles (too far down field), but thats also where he has been tasked to be or play on those plays too. The way they use Edmunds is the definition of the bend but don't break approach. They aren't asking him to blow plays up, they are asking him to prevent the bigger play. And this is why I think there is such a disconnect with how players and coaches feel about Edmunds value and performance vs how fans do. Fans fixate on stat boxes and splashy plays. But if the player isn't being used in a way to put him into position to make those types of plays, then even though he is doing what he is asked well, they will see it as something different. So, honestly, I think Edmunds is a lot better than people give him credit for, he is not perfect, but he is not the bum some make him out to be. But at the same time, I think whether he stays in Buffalo or not will come down to what an extension would cost. Beane has never broke the bank in an unreasonable way. Even Josh Allens contract was quite a good deal from the team stand point as well. I don't foresee him over paying Edmunds, so its going to come down to what the market dictates and what Edmunds prioritizes to see if there is a deal that makes sense for both sides.

I cant take any thread or mock seriously that doesn't list Levi as a priority signing. He will be a high priority free agent signing, and probably the highest priority in our FO to retain. Especially with Tre White recovering from injury. Levi had a very good year...its time people give him his credit.

How many threads do we need on this? Geezus

Yeah I think the same. From what I have seen and heard, it seems the only place that really had any traction was Chicago in terms of interest in Frazier. And now it seems the GM they are bringing has his eyes set on those other 2 like you mentioned. I would like to see a change at DC personally, but if Frazier doesn't get the HC offers, I assume he is going to be back unfortunately. I want to see what another DC can do with Edmunds this year as well. We have some decisions to make, and I think a lot of the issues with Edmunds could be tied to how he is used. I would like to see him used in a more aggressive role, the way Parsons is used in Dallas, and see how he responds.

Yeah I am not opposed to adding more speed by any means, I was only highlighting the offense scored plenty as built, and the higher priority is to shore up the OL. Honestly, I think Devin can be a good full time RB for us if we just commit to him and the run game. However, I am not opposed at trying to upgrade their either. I think there will be a lot of talk of Barkley to the Bills this offseason. Schoen knows he needs to fix the cap before he can truly fix the roster like Beane did here. Would not suprise me at all to see Barkley land here in a trade either for draft asset(s) or maybe players and a pick. Cole an Moss plus a day 3 pick could be something I see happening. Bills bring back Mckenzie and Hodgins to compete for the slot role and have a backfield of Saquan and Devin. Cole becomes a safety blanket for Jones (or whatever QB becomes the starter there) and Moss can compete to start on the cheap. Allows the Giants cap relief and still put some quality pieces back on the field. Frees up cap space for us to bring in Saquan and gives a potential upgrade with Devin still here as a safety net if he doesn't get back to his old self or gets hurt again. Not to mention, Saquan would not need to be over used and run into the ground here.

The fact you think only the first 2 rounds matter tells me I don't even need to discuss football with you again. Especially on a team that has Milano, Knox, Davis, Singletary, Levi, Brown, etc on it all playing vital and impactful roles who did not come here the way of the first 2 picks. Literally you have not said one factual or relevant thing in this discussion...just whining about a handful of early picks in the draft as if that is the only thing that matters to building a team.

See now this is a fair assessment, good post. I do have a few counter points that need to be considered though: We have invested more picks on offense than you guys have tallied. We used multiple picks on Allen, Diggs, Ford, and Knox to trade up get all of those players. Those have to be accounted for as part of the investment into the offense, especially since some of them were premium picks. Fans still over emphasize the first 2 rounds. Rosters and championship teams are built through out the draft. The OP I objected to seems to only count the first 2 rounds as how we address positions. Yet our day 3 selected players in Davis, Singletary, Knox, Brown, Milano, etc have all been vital parts of our team and some of our best players this year. We have hit bigger on key offensive additions, meaning less holes to fill, in both the draft and free agency signings. Allen and Diggs are grand slam additions. Cole Beasley was a tremendous FA grab. When you hit on your first try with some of the best at their respective positions, it means less needs to be addressed. So for me, I think it can be argued we have invested more into the offense in terms of draft picks when you factor in the cost to move up and get some of those guys, and there has been a balance of building and addressing needs on both sides of the ball. End of the day, some people like the OP I think are just still salty we went DE back to back last year, because there are not real merits to his actual claims that we have prioritized the defense for 5 years. I mean we are also the top offense in the league over the last 2 years, that didn't just magically appear. Again, those comments not directed to you at all, but back at the OP I responded to. Your post was a fair and well composed counter point.

Yeah, but they also do not know what happened on those plays, and will hear Fraziers side of it still. We don't know if it was Frazier or if the players poorly executed what was intended. Just saying, they are not going to give up on Frazier over that if they felt he was the right guy. Anyone in the NFL knows its never a single persons fault.

Lol…No it’s not gonna affect his chances. Did it cost Kyle Shanahan his shot when he choked away the SB with a 28-3 lead? They aren’t going to sit back and say it was Fraziers fault. Mahomes and Kelce are special and the D was gassed. Plus the squib kick didn’t happen, which is seen as the main reason. Doesnt mean he was ever getting a job, but nothing has changed in terms of teams interest in him. If they wanted him before that they will still want him now.