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Not picking on your post per se, more of a general reply to how McKenzie gets a bit over hyped around here. He is a journeyman WR who has one big game against the Pats and suddenly he is invaluable asset around TSW. Look, I like McKenzie, but he is an undersized WR who has really only one asset...speed. He is not a polished router runner (Cole is an elite route runner), he doesn't have anywhere near the same hands Cole has, and he doesn't get tough yards like Cole. He either beats you with speed and or he doesn't factor in. He is capable of making big plays for sure, but lets not act like this guy is a pro bowler (not saying you are, the boards over all sentiment about this guy) that has been kept in the background for no reason. He also has a history of fumbling issues. NFL scouts and GM's know who he is, yet no one offers him anything when he is a FA and he comes back here cheap every year. Believe we even signed him off a PS. Cole Beasley has been the starter because he is quite frankly the best 3rd down WR in the game and one of the best overall slot WR's. Its not like Mckenzie has been sitting behind a scrub. I would like to keep his speed here too, but I am also not losing sleep if he isn't back. What he brings to the table is one dimensional, and I am confident we can replicate that in free agency or the draft in the event he doesn't come back.

The only goal that matters...Super Bowl. I don't care about the #1 seed that much. Sure if we can get it, great, but I am not going to lose sleep over getting it or not either.

Dont get me wrong, I would love one too. I’m not against having one. I’m more concerned with filling out the rest of the roster. It’s the cost to acquire and cap hit that has me concerned when we need to address and invest at CB, OL, and DT badly. We have less than $3M in cap space to start, but we also have key players like Levi and Phillips who are free agents making CB and DT big holes. Compounding that further, Tre is coming off a bad injury that can sometimes take a full season of playing to get all the way back and Star needs to probably be replaced too. So we need more than just one player at both those spots. And all that before we have even addressed the OL. So that’s my issue, it will take draft capital we need to bring in young talent and cap space we need to fill the roster out. So I think we are a stronger team with investing in multiple positions than investing big in one and using cheap lower tier players to shore up those other spots. And Tre White alone changes the outcome of that last game most likely. So the DL to me wasn’t the liability.

Wait...this thread made it to two pages? Baby Jesus help us all.

No. /endthread

Is this a real thread? Ashton is that you? Are we on a "Punk'd" reboot?

We got 2 sacks...how many more sacks change the outcome of the game? And my point was, you can't panic maneuver just because one game Mahomes was an escape artist. Elite players are going to be elite in big moments. Doesn't matter who is chasing them. Allen made Aaron Donald look silly when the Rams played us. Great players are great for a reason. To over react to a couple plays in a game is not how you soundly build a football team. And for the record...we beat them twice this year. One of those games the Bills decided to give away with a blunder at the end of regulation and a terribly called defense on 2 plays that had nothing to do with who our DE's were. So sorry, all this stuff about "sacks" is way down the list of why we lost this game.

I dont really disagree with what your counter points that are here. Just more to add...I did not add Frazier to the list of what is over the top because criticism about him isn't over the top. The defensive calls he had during that 13 seconds are highly questionable. And he is also likely leaving it seems, so firing him isn't even an option. As far as the DE goes, I don't think Addison and Hughes are B grade DE's. They dont get as much credit as they deserve. We were 5th in the NFL at pressuring the QB and did a lot of that on Mahomes too. We were 10th in sacks too. Addison sack totals are not much lower than Khalil Macks even (mentioning him as he has been a popular name thrown around to bring in) the past few seasons. Are they Elite guys? No, but they are pretty good players and the young guys showed some promise too. So for me, I agree, its always nice to have that TJ Watt guy...but they don't grow on trees and they are not made available usually. So you have to draft them, and we have used 3 picks at the DE position the last 2 years in the first 2 rounds, so now is the time to let them play and keep growing. Look at Davis...we held him behind Sanders most the year and wasn't until Sanders got hurt did Davis get a shot to make a bigger impact and that just kept growing down the stretch. Also have to keep in mind its not easy to field a good overall team that includes an elite pass rusher and elite QB because those two positions (when young and elite) can eat such a big part of the cap up. And now Josh is extended, and that contract is going to start making it harder to field balanced rosters if we have to also dump a lot of money into one position like DE too. So its in our best interest to draft and grow our own.

Lots of things “Fans” expect dont happen, and mainly because fans keep coming up with their own ideas outside what Beane says. But Beane mostly does what he says and has always been a straight shooter. If Beane expects him to be a Bill, then I would plan on him being a Bill and probably will be unless he gets an intriguing trade offer he thinks makes us better.

CB - Levi is a FA, and Tre coming off big injury. I have a feeling they will try and bring Levi back. But if he goes elsewhere, suddenly CB goes from needing some depth to a major hole. OL - Need to shore up the IL more than anything DT - Phillips is a free agent, and after this year, I think he will be a priority to resign. Star replacement is also someone I think we need to find this year. WR - Cole is in his last year of his deal and Sanders I am not sure they bring back unless he is willing to come back to back up Davis who should start. Cole could be a trade chip too, so not guarantee they keep him this year. RB - I think they feel good about Devin and how he responded in a lead role down the stretch. But I also think if they could go after Barkley or draft a guy with more speed to bolster the RB room.

I would still do it...I would prefer to keep Devin, but I would still do it because the potential reward is there in Barkley. He is young enough still that I would take that gamble, and Moss can still help balance some of the load and also still be an effective RB if needed to start at any time. Maybe if its Devin they want I would try and adjust the compensation to reflect his slightly higher trade value over Moss. But ultimately, I would still pull the trigger if the deal was the same but with Devin. And I really like Devin too, not meant to be slight on him in any way. But I think Barkley still brings a ton to the table and could get back to being special in a better situation.

I mean the table is set for this to be a real possibility IMHO. Giants just hired Schoen who came from the Beane school of being a GM...his first priority is going to be to use this year to evaluate the roster and being to clean up the cap. He is going to want to shed some cap but also try and field a competitive team still. We have some pieces that make sense...like Moss as a potential starter there to replace Barkley on the cheap. Then a guy like Cole, who only has one year left on his contract and comes off the books next year, is a perfect piece to help Daniel Jones (as they evaluate him) or maybe a rookie QB (not a good year to draft one) as a safety net and guy who can move chains and then comes off the books at end of the season. If I am Beane, I offer up Cole, Moss, and a day 3 pick for Barkley...then do a new contract for Barkley once he is here like they did when we got Diggs that gives us the cap flexibility back and some outs if he doesn't work out here. Then to replace Cole, you could look at FA and the draft, but also bring back McKenzie and let him and Hodgins battle for the slot spot with any vet or rookie they bring in.

Yeah I think too many people are writing him off right now. I remember when they did that with Fred Taylor and said he was too injury prone and then he finally got healthy and stayed healthy most of his career and was one of the best RB's in the league the rest of his career. The O-Lines and offenses he has been stuck in while with the Giants have been putrid. I think he would excel coming somewhere like here into this potent offense, especially given how dangerous he is as a receiver out of the back field too. Not to mention, talk about a guy that has that Allen like mentality of playing tough, he will fit right in here.

Hahahaha beat me to it He is literally Jarvis Landry part 2. He had one season opposite an elite WR in AB and then hasn't done squat since while other WR's on their team have played better than JuJu. Send him to KC, I would MUCH rather see them get slower at WR than see more of their speed guys.

Williams couldn't see anytime in Buffalo because there was Devin and Moss ahead of him, plus Brieda for a different role and Taiwan for ST. There is no guarantee he sees time in NY either, but bringing in guys who might compete for playing time and that are cheap are always great moves by a new GM, especially guys you are familiar with. But some people here seem to think this suggests AW is gonna just walk in and start and be excel or something. He hasn't even made their roster yet, so that is quite premature.

I get where you are coming from, and don't get me wrong, I totally agree Mack is still most likely an upgrade. It's not like I would be upset if Mack ends up on this team. My main takeaway is that we invested a lot in 3 young DE's already in the last 2 years, and it takes time for players to fully develop. We don't have a ton of cap room this year, so I am just of the mindset we might see a bigger improvement spreading around our draft capital and cap space over more positions than overly investing back in the one DE position again. I guess I am just more concerned about our interior OL and DL and depth at CB. We definitely need to add someone on the OL, and we have 2 key pieces this year at CB (Levi) and DT (Phillips) who are free agents that I assume will be high priority to try and resign unless the market for some reason is too high to keep them. Plus we have White coming off a bad injury, we don't know how well he will be able to play next year, it can sometimes take a year of playing before a player gets back to close to what they were. Not to mention, I think its time they look for a replacement for Star given his age and how often he has missed games. Personally...if we make a trade for a name...I would like to see us go get Saquan Barkley, and I think that may be more likely personally. We can offset some of the acquisition cost by including a player or two that make sense for them, like Moss as a potential replacement and maybe a slot guy like Cole to help Jones or what ever other QB they have in there. Send them and a late pick for Barkley then redo his contract here. Barkley here could share time with Devin and not be over used and run into the ground while also training in the NFL's most state of the art facilities to get himself fully healthy and hopefully stay that way. Having a healthy Barkley behind a revamped OL with Josh Allen at QB could be stupid good if he can stay healthy. And we still have Devin for insurance.

I think its more you guys didn't actually read the full story. The $13 was originally to go to MAHOMES charity. Bills fans would have done the same for Allens charity if the role was reversed. BUT...the person who started this suggestion noticed that Bills Mafia often does this thing for opponents charities in their home towns, so he decided that was awesome and wanted to do the same here for Josh Allen after his unbelievable performance giving the fans and NFL one of the best games anyone has ever seen. He openly admitted it didn't dawn on him to then change the $13 to $17 instead and wished he would have. But the $13 was never intended to be a sign of disrespect, it was originally chosen to honor Mahomes for Mahomes own charity. So, no disrespect, but there is nothing bad about this at all. It wasn't intended to be a jab, they literally said many times how they respect Bills Mafia and the absolutely sensational performance by Allen, and its because of that they gave to Allens favorite charity instead of their own hero Mahomes. To take it any other way is misguided IMHO.

I know you are not and just asking a fair question...and its a good question. We tend to run this bend don't break style of defense. Keep everything in front of them. I would like to see us be more aggressive at times, not saying on every down or completely change our philosophy, as I get a lot of it is McD's defense and I know he knows defense. Wouldn't mind us bringing more heat to the QB too, we were about middle of the field in Blitz % this year. And while the bend don't break defense can often be effective over the length of a game, it can also let you down when it needs to stop a team from scoring on an important drive. I would like to see a defense that is capable of stiffening up at the right times. Honestly, how we use Edmunds is a prime example of where I would like to see some new things inserted into our defense. We tend to lean on Edmunds athletic ability to bank on him making up ground and getting to the play. His primary role feels more like a 3rd safety or floater than it does a dominating MLB. And I think this is why he is so polarizing around here...fans want to see stats and big plays...but he isn't being used that way. I would like to see us use his athletic gifts more to penetrate and disrupt plays. Watching how Dallas used Parsons this year just made me really wonder how Edmunds could do if they used his athletic gifts in the same way.

If I could hit the awesome emoticon a 1000 times on your post I would. Well said...and its disgusting to be honest. Like grow up, stop being a whiney little child. The Buffalo Bills lost, get over it...the KC fans did something classy to help the BUFALLO community and they literally said it was because of the respect they have for BILLS MAFIA doing the same for players on other teams too. The fact another teams fan base is taking notice of how impactful Bills Mafia has been in charity and wanting to do the same is amazing. Someone has a problem with that, they should probably get therapy because they have other issues going on inside them.

Yes. Massive over reaction. Things like: Fire McD - So stupid its barely worth mentioning. Fire Beane - Even dumber. Fire Farwell - Also dumb, we had one of the best ST units in the NFL this year. Do whatever it takes to get an elite DE - Our defensive pressure was not why we lost to KC, we got plenty of pressure on Mahomes but he was just on another level Sunday (like Allen) where it didn't matter, he was too elusive. We had the same amount of Sacks as KC did, and yet they have three high end pass rushers on their team. And we were 5th in the NFL in defensive pressure and 10th in sacks. So its foolish to now kill the cap and invest more draft assets again into the same position we just used 3 picks on in the first 2 rounds the last 2 years. Let the young guys play and use those draft picks and whatever cap space we having on bolstering weaker areas like OL, CB Depth, and DT. If our young guys are not getting the job done this year, then we know it may need to be addressed again the following offseason. But you have to allow your guys time to develop, this instant gratification nonsense that fans have is ridiculous. The most ridiculous are the cries to fire McD, Beane, or Farwell. As if making our team worse somehow makes us better just to satisfy some blood lust for someones head after the loss is ridiculous concept. Hard to take anyone serious who feels like they are the weak link here. Some fans just have this "I need blood" mentality when something doesn't go right, but all that does is LOWER our odds in 2022 to make another run because its VERY hard to find guys on the level of McD and Beane and much more likely to be not only a downgrade, but a significant one. Not to mention, we are already likely losing Daboll and Frazier, to have a full staff turnover right now would be beyond stupid. Yes, there seems there was a mistake made, not clear where, but a call for a squib quick was made and it didn't get to Bass. But the players know Bass wasn't in the huddle and warming up, they should make sure he knows the call when he enters the game. And I assure you that will be forever the case from here on out by both the coaches and teammates. But to blow up the staff that built us QUICKLY into a perennial SB contender over it is just absurd. And to now over react

Agreed...I guarantee that most the people begging for Mack don't realize he hasn't had double digits sacks in 3 years. Yes, he is going to be an upgrade, but how much of an upgrade at this stage of his career is questionable given he is over 30 and coming off that injury. Is it enough to warrant weakening our selves else where through the cost to acquire and pay him? Buffalo was 5th in NFL in QB Pressures, 10th in Sacks. Its not like its our weakest part of our team, and thats with us playing a bend but don't break style and not blitzing that much (we were middle of the pack in Blitz %). Just having Tre White against KC likely changes the outcome...not to mention simply not having a miscommunication on the final KO of regulation changes the outcome. And we have youth we have been developing to take over a more prominent role at that position anyway that cost a fraction of what Macks $17.5M would cost us, not to mention the trade compensation. I say, let our young guys play and go bolster the OL, CB depth, and DT positions with our draft assets and cap space as the top 3 priorities.

Honestly, I get the Rodgers to Denver connection makes sense on just about every level. However, if I am Rodgers and looking at that murders row of QB's in the AFC who are all elite or rising stars, I am thinking twice about joining Denver. 2 of those guys are in their own division...and Rodgers with a loaded Packers team just lost as the #1 seed to Jimmy G and a 49ers team that didn't score an offensive TD at home. Denver should look like the favorite, but if I am Rodgers I don't see that Denver roster as any better than the Packers, but being stuck in a division with Mahomes and Herbert and a conference with Josh Allen and a loaded Bills team. So I would have my eyes set on an NFC team, or at the very least a team in the AFC thats in a less lethal division. But I get it, Nathaniel hire makes it even more likely Denver is the front runner...but I think Rodgers ego is going to want to win a SB to kind of shove GB's nose in it, and I am not sure going to Denver gives him the best path to achieve that having to face Mahomes and Herbert 4 times a year battling for the division.

I hope Frazier gets hired by the Giants. If not, I don't think he gets a HC gig anywhere this year and I for one would like to see a different defensive coordinator come in and see what he can do with the pieces we have. I am especially interested to see what a more aggressive DC (hopefully thats the direction we go) can do with a couple particular guys: Edmunds - The TSW whipping boy, mostly because I think people around here fail realize what they dislike most about him is how he is used. Its why the coaches and opponents have such a better opinion of him, they see him doing what he is asked while the fans expect him to do something that he is not being asked to do out there. So before we have to make a decision on him next off season, I would like to see a DC turn him loose and let him play a more aggressive style like Parsons. Frazier has predominantly used him more as a safety valve (playing further away from the ball) and letting his athletic ability help him get to the ball in a true bend but don't break approach. Its like he is a 3rd Safety out there most the game. Oliver - This guy had a break out season this year, and I think its only the beginning for him if we can bring more aggression to our defensive play style. Our DE's, especially the young ones - How much more effective could they be if our defensive style was more aggressive? So nothing against Frazier, he did a great job while the was here for the most part, but I think we have the pieces now to be more aggressive instead of relying on the bend but don't break approach most the time. I think it has its moments, and can still be used, but we need to be able to turn up the heat too at any point in the game we want. And that is something Frazier just isn't that great at doing, making those in game adjustments to make those game defining plays on the defensive side of the ball. Its more like we all just hold our breath and hope this isnt the time we bend and then break (like KC OT).

Ridiculous reply. Congratulations on focusing on a name and not actual on field production.

Last 3 seasons: Mario Addison: 21.5 sacks Khalil Mack: 23.5 sacks Since Mack didn’t finish 2021, the last 2 full seasons for both players 2019 + 2020: Mario: 14.5 sacks Mack: 17 sacks Mack is the better player, but he hasn’t had a double digit sack season since 2018 and is coming off season ending injury and past 30 now. And despite being seen as one of the best, he has barely outperformed Addison despite Addison being over 2 years older. So I am not seeing how he makes us better enough to make sense using both draft capital and $17.5 million in cap space on him. Use the picks on holes and cap space to improve weaker areas of the roster.