Alphadawg7

Ping me when you have your fist positive take on the board, I would like to be there for that moment

Well there goes 25 receptions we could have had 🤣

Fair enough, but I do think a more reasonable expectation for McKenzie this year though is less than 40 receptions and less than 400 yards. Honestly, Crowder talent wise to me is just a better all around receiver and I honestly think Shakir is the future there and could make more of an impact this year than people think with the crowded grouping at the slot WR spot. Now if Crowder struggles to stay healthy, or surprisingly disappoints this camp, then all that changes. I think Crowder could easily go from expected to starter to cut candidate if he struggles to stay healthy or struggles in camp, especially if Shakir keeps impressing the way he is. But my assessment today on McKenzie is solely based on the expectation that Crowder doesn't disappoint and stays healthy enough to earn a spot on the team. And as far as Devin goes, he will still get receptions too this year. He proved last year he can be good enough catching passes and effective. So they are too smart to telegraph it to where they never throw it to Devin and always throw it to Cook. So I still think Devin gets 30+ catches this year while Cook gets 50+ just because I feel like they really want to use their RB's more both in running and catching the ball. So with Cook here I feel there is a probability that we see an additional 30-50 more receptions overall to the RB's combined compared to last season. I can easily see another 2-4 receptions per game more going to the RB position overall this season compared to last. Which is why I highlighted Cook in my last reply because I think his presence will be the main catalyst to the increase of targets to RB's.

Yeah, I do really think Davis has a shot at leading the Bills in receiving this year, especially yards and TD's. Not a knock on Diggs, more of a compliment to Diggs and the attention he gets. The chemistry and timing between Josh and Davis seems incredibly high, and wont surprise me to see both him and Diggs as 1000+ yard WRs this year. And Davis has proven he wants it and has put the work in to really breakout. As far as the 6000 total yards and 60 TDs, I mean if there was any QB in the NFL that cold do reach those marks its Allen. He is easily a 5000 yard passing candidate every season and 500+ yard rushing candidate. So its not unrealistic to see him put up say 5300 yards passing and 700 yards rushing with say 52 TDs passing and 8 TD's rushing for example. I don't think its likely, because I really do believe moving forward there is going to be a renewed effort and focus to keep our running game more involved than Daboll averaged. Especially given that once the light switch seemed to flip at half time against the Bucs that almost led us to a comeback, we wouldn't lose again the rest of the season until the 13 seconds debacle. McD was very vocal earlier in the season about finding a way to consistently run the ball too, so I think for Josh to hit that 6000 yard club with 60 total TD's it would have to be a situation where Josh once again was the whole offense. And I just expect a little more balance than that with the OL additions, coaching changes at OC and OL coach, and the success we had once we got the run game going.

No offense bud, but saying he will have a "career high in receptions and yards" isn't saying much when his career high in receptions is 30 and yards is 282 (both occurred in 2020). So sure, he can have a career high in both with for example 33 catches and 314 yards...but that doesn't mean anything, just means he played essentially the same role. Here is where I think you are incorrectly assessing the situation. You just exclusively redistributed all of Beasleys targets exclusively to the Slot WR's, and thats just not accurate way to look at that this year IMHO. Davis is going to see a relevant uptick in targets this year, and honestly, would not surprise me if he leads the team in receiving this year as a full time starter opposite Diggs while Diggs draws the tougher coverage. Even if he doesn't, hes still going to get a lot more targets as a full time starter, and one that has great rapport with Josh. Davis IMHO will see a bigger role as the WRs in this years offense than Sanders was in last years offense. Now you also have Cook, who is going to eat a chunk of those slot targets this year, and I think he is easily in line for a 50+ reception himself season, if not even more. Now you still have Knox whose only been getting better (also in a contract year) and the additional of OJ Howard to go along with a new OC that seems interested in using the TE more. Not to mention, its a reasonable expectation that the run game will be getting more snaps and more involved this year from the start of the season. So, I cant see McKenzie suddenly getting all the targets he got last year plus another third of Beasleys, unless he dominates the snaps at slot, which I think is unrealistic based on how good Crowder is, and how good Shakir might be (and so far so good in what we have seen from him). And with Shakir the future of the position, I can easily see him eating more targets up during the back half of the season too assuming he keeps doing a good job with his opportunities.

One of my favorite Bills plays of all time, just insane route

I think there is a strong chance of a job share situation at slot. I can see Crowder, Shakir and McKenize all getting snaps. It’s absolutely an open competition, and going to be fun to see how it plays out. But I still think Crowder probably wins the job by week 1, but he’s going to obviously have to earn it, they won’t just give it to him. They resigned McKenzie cheap and then proceeded to sign Crowder, draft Shakir, and signed Tavon. They clearly felt the slot needed more competition even after signing McKenzie back. So I just have a hard time seeing McKenzies role being much bigger than last year unless he really outplays the others in camp, which could happen, but I think unlikely because Crowder is good and Shakir is off to a good start as well. To be honest, I also think Shakir is going to see more snaps down the stretch too much like how Davis did the last 2 years.

I don’t see it that way really. I mean, McKenzie took pretty much all the first team reps at slot to open camp. Not a surprise he didn’t also have a lot of ST work on top of that during first 2 days of camp. Especially since even last year when McKenzie wasn’t seeing a lot of snaps at WR they seemed like they wanted to find someone else to return kicks than him for what ever reason. So I think it’s more about the fact they ideally don’t want McKenzie as a returner regardless of his role on the team and getting the other guys looks there right now. They know what they have in McKenzie, and if push comes to shove he can return kicks if the final roster cut downs call for it.

Couple of thoughts after 2 days: 1. McKenzie hype is a bit overstated right now. Him starting camp as the starting slot is not news or a sign of things to come…it’s just a default and not worth over analyzing at this time. The three guys legitimately competing for time at slot with McKenzie are all brand new to the team and were not walking into camp just handed a starting spot without knowing the offense, being familiar with Josh, terminology, etc. I like McKenzie, but he does not have a strangle hold on the starting slot WR spot. There is a reason we signed Crowder and drafted Shakir after we extended McKenzie for 2 years. I think he is more likely in store for more of the same, a role player and gadget specialist. Again, I like McKenzie, not crapping on him, just talking about how I think roles will shake out. 2. Elam is getting thrown into the fire covering probably the best foot work WR in the NFL which is Diggs. If he was succeeding already against Diggs I would actually be worried what’s wrong with Diggs. I fully expect a rookie to get smoked by Diggs regularly 2 days into camp as he does it to the best DBs in the NFL weekly. But I can’t think of a better school for him than having to cover the best and learn from that. 3. Allen and the offense inconsistency the first 2 days is 100% to be expected and pretty much what always happens. First, the defense almost always comes out sharper to start camp because the offense is highly dependent on timing and it takes a little time to find that rhythm. And adding to that we are installing new offense with a new OC. It’s so nice not having to worry one bit about your QB if he has a rough day because you know come week 1 he is an elite QB. 4. I think we will extend Poyer. Him participating only helps his cause and with Drew there at camp and Beanes mastery of handling these situations, I am optimistic a deal gets done that keeps him in Buffalo for as long as Hyde. 5. Tre looks promising, but still cautious given the real test is in cutting and putting that kind of extreme force into his movement. Lot of times people can do what Tre is doing now and still be multiple months away from full contact clearance. Until we get a more substantive update, I’m going to remain cautiously optimistic for a week 1 return. 6. Shakir is the real deal, but I thought that on draft night anyway. Probably my favorite pick of the draft, and not only do I think he will be starting slot WR entering next season, but I think he’s going to contribute this year similar to how Davis did as a rookie. 7. Not buying the Haack praise, that dude can hit some great punts then shank the next two. He isn’t a good in game punter, don’t care how he looks in fist couple days of camp. Punt God is going to win the job IMHO. 8. Cook is already showing he is going to be a receiving weapon this year and I think he will easily catch 50+ passes this year while splitting time with Devin. 9. Crowder, McKenzie, Shakir, Tavon - That’s a lot of slot WRs to keep on a roster. It could happen, but not sold they keep all 4. This will be an interesting position battle to watch, especially given the one WR that has lowest chance of getting cut is probably Shakir. 10. I said it when he was signed, but I think Tim Settle is going to end up being one of those very sneaky excellent signings that people have been over looking a bit thus far.

He needs to play...we are installing a new offense and incorporating new players and roles. Limit his snaps, but he needs to see some live action before facing the reigning champs on their home turf.

Thats an interesting thought on it, honestly wouldn’t surprise me if he did.

NFL Wide: - Raiders will win the AFC West - Pitt will win the AFC North - Vikings will win the NFC North - Panthers win the NFC South - Detroit will finish as a top 10 offense (but still lose a lot of games thanks to a bottom third defense) - Trevor Lawerence will still struggle and bust rumblings will start coming about Bills Specific - Gabriel Davis will lead the Bills in receiving yards and TDs - Devin Singletary will rush for 1200+ yards - Bills will win 14+ games - Bills will lead the league in sacks - We will punt less than 50 times during the regular season - Josh Allen wins MVP and Super Bowl MVP - James Cook will catch 50+ passes

Parking is $80-$120 depending what lot you park in at SoFi, so guessing the tailgate doesn’t include parking at $95. If it does, that’s a great deal. But nothing about SoFi ever approaches the phrase “that’s a great deal”, so I’m skeptical it would include parking lol.

Yeah, agree with all these additional points as well

Here is my 2 cents… Anyone writing off Tua already or mocking the possibility he could take a step forward is being premature. The reality is he is still very young in his career and has limited games in that brief career due to injuries and a veteran QB in Fitz part of the time. Second, he is loaded with weapons. A mediocre QB in Alex Smith had a career year throwing to a prime Tyreek Hill. Tua doesn’t have to be the next great QB for that offense to be legit and dangerous, it might be the overall fastest collection of skill players in the league. Now…on the other hand, anyone reading too much into the Tua looks good at this point in the season is also premature. Like others have posted, we have heard that about guys like Peterman and even EJ Manuel at this time of the year. It doesn’t really mean anything if he is looking good in light practices without the real pressures of being in game where defenses are playing full speed and you must make snap decisions and be accurate. So for me, I’m taking a wait and see approach here and not overlooking the Dolphins. I do feel their last coach got them to over achieve (he was a good coach IMHO), so who knows how the new coaching staff does. But they have enough weapons to make them a team to still keep an eye on. And if Tua does take a step forward, that team will field a potentially dangerous offense. Lastly…I keep seeing people talk about Tua as if he isn’t and can’t be Josh Allen. That’s a bit outrageous given Allen has a case as the best QB and certainly is established as a top 5 QB in the NFL right now. To use that high of a barometer to judge whether Tua can be a good starter is a bit silly. You don’t have to be the next Josh Allen or the best QB in the NFL to win games, reach the playoffs or even win a super bowl.

Yeah he’s fully capable of a bigger season, maybe even a big season if he was in position to get a nice target share. But with Diggs, Davis, and Crowder along with Cook, Howard and McKenzie seeing some targets to go along with a run game we likely implement more, I just don’t see him getting enough targets to be anything more than a 500-600 yard season, if that. Now if someone gets hurt, or maybe Dorsey is allergic to running like Daboll was for 3/4 of the season, then it certainly raises his target potential and what his ceiling will be. So I would much rather wrap him up sooner rather than later to be safe.

I mean, they didn’t have a lot of choice here. I don’t think he is worth that much simply because I feel he lacks the leadership intangibles I would want for this kind of financial commitment. But the market is what the market is. That being said, the talent is there, so AZ didn’t have much choice here other than to pay market for a young talented QB and just have to hope he matures as a player and a leader. Josh Allen deal is going to be a steal for most of his career.

To be honest, I am not expecting statistically to see a big jump from Knox. That is NOT a knock on him by any means. We just have a LOT of mouths to feed this year and Josh loves to spread the ball around, plus I think Davis is going to break out. We also went undefeated the rest of the season and had dominant offensive performances all the way up to the KC heartbreaker once we started running the football consistently. So I fully expect our run game to be more involved throughout the year. And now we also added James Cook who is gonna take more targets away too, not to mention OJ Howard should see some too. So as good as I believe Knox is and will be, I’m not seeing a big statistical jump just solely by the amount of weapons we have and my expectation of the run game being more consistently involved throughout the season. I would love to lock Knox up though early just in case though.

So my wife pointed out to me that the game in Miami is super cheap! Airfare and hotel is like $500 a person from LA non stop and great seats are like $180 a ticket. So we can get great seats and cover all travel with direct flights on Jet Blue for about $750 a person to go to the Miami game in Miami. We have never been to Miami, so we are thinking of hitting that game as well. We can do a game in Buffalo and a game in Miami, both with good seats, for cheaper than one Rams game with similar good seats that’s in our own backyard at SoFi. And I’m talking we can do both games combined…including tickets, flights, hotel for less than equivalent tickets would be at SoFi. The kind of good tickets we can get from $200-400 in Miami and Buffalo respectively would be over $2000 a ticket at SoFi.

Here is what is crazy... Ive been looking at tickets for the Rams game because a suite invite we got back in May is looking like its gonna fall through with couple that was getting now looking like they wont be in town. I live 6 miles from SoFi here in CA. For the price of 2 decent tickets, I can instead buy flights, hotel, and better tickets in Buffalo to watch the Monday night game in Buffalo week 2 than just go to the game at SoFi. Its freaking nuts. So started looking for tickets again, and its crazy. I know a lot of people who normally I could get tickets from, but they are either going or just can sell for too much money right now, which I dont blame them either way. Anyone I know who has decent to good seats is able to sell them for $900 to $2000 a ticket. Its like this is a playoff ticket or something, its absurd. Affordable tickets are the high nose bleed seats where I will spend most the time watching the jumbo tron while I eat crappy over priced food and drink $18 beers. If I am gonna just watch a game on a screen, I might as well do it at home on my 85" Sony and beach party all day with friends and BBQ up some bomb food and drink what I want. Then instead, fly to Buffalo for the Monday night game and have way more fun. Never would I have ever thought in a million years I would consider skipping a Bills game in my own backyard...but at these prices, I think I would rather go to Buffalo for another game with better seats and for less money and better tailgate.

I agree Allen is the scariest for DCs to plan for heading into this year, and Herbert is up there too, but I’d still put Mahomes number 2. I mean he is the closest to Josh Allen in terms of total scary package of passing, escaping, running, improvising, throwing on the run, and clutch factor. I feel like Allen and Mahomes are more like 1A and 1B.

That’s fair enough, but at the same time had Josh Allen been in that game his ability with his legs could have opened a lot more opportunities. More just pointing out that Rodgers is as human as any other QB to the person I was replying to/. And Allen possesses skills other don’t that can lend to countering those tougher defense too.

I mean, its not even a question who the best QB in that era was, and it was Tyrod Taylor. Every statistical metric shows this to be correct. At that time (before Josh got here), those Tyrod years were the 2nd highest scoring period of Bills football in history, and with awful coaching that included a defensive minded moron as HC. He made 2 pro bowls, he made the playoffs throwing to Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamin, had a very good TD to INT ratio (also one of his short comings as he didnt take enough chances), and was saddled with terrible defenses. The year Rex was fired, going into week 17 the Bills were tied for 3rd for most TD's scored that year behind only Saints and Falcons, and only by 3 TD's. They would sit Tyrod week 17 and we scored nothing and would fall to 5th or 6th in scoring as a result. The following season, our new HC sat him against a lowly Chargers team to watch us get destroyed by a bad team, a team with only 2 wins on the season (both against bad teams) and was on a 3 game losing streak. This team was a train wreck with Tyrod off the field compared to with him on it where we were solid, but not great. Bledsoe was utterly awful here, a turnover machine with way more turnovers than TD's. And he couldn't even beat the steelers backups to make the playoffs despite having 2 stud weapons to throw to and a good run game around him. Flutie...he couldn't even keep his job over Rob Johnson. Fitzcraptrick...outside a couple fluke games, he couldn't score points and would blow up anytime something mattered. Its an AWFUL list of QB's overall, but the only competent one on that list that accomplished anything what so ever on the field was Tyrod. He was a game manager type QB at best, but had that added dimension of being able to use his legs, which he probably actually should have used more given his limitations as a passer. He didnt take enough chances, he wasn't going to out duel someone through the air, but he was a guy you could make the playoffs with as long as your defense wasn't a disaster so he wasnt in shoot outs. Rex led defenses were atrocious, and thats why we couldn't get into the post season. Enter McD, Tre White, and Milano that first year, the defense rebounds to solid and we have a winning season (should have been 10 wins if not for the Chargers mistake) and make playoffs while Tyrod lost his top 2 WRs of Watkins and Woods and now was forced to throw to Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones. Only proper list IMHO is: Tyrod then Fitz then Flutie. And thats a sad F-ing list so who really cares. Its really like asking which dog has the worst smelling poop...they all stink.

How many points did the Packers score when they got bounced by Jimmy G led 49ers? A QB they are now trying to get rid of by the way... Bills averaged 41.5 points per game in the playoffs this year. Josh Allen had 9 TD's, 0 turnovers and in one game had more TD"s than incompletions. Josh Allen is 2nd in NFL history to only Dan Marino for most TD's thus far through his career. He has one of the highest playoff QB ratings in history. So, while I don't really have a problem if someone still finds Rodgers scarier (which lets be honest, has probably more to do with resume than where they are today as QB's) than Allen because he is still elite. But to flat out state there is no chance Allen is scarier than Rodgers highly suggests you seem to think there is this wide gap between, which IMHO is completely wrong. There is not one single thing Rodgers can do that Allen can not also do. BUT...there are multiple things that Allen can do that Rodgers not only cant do today, but never could do at any point in his career. Allen can make every throw Rodgers can and probably a couple Rodgers cant. Allen make plays with his legs that not only Rodgers cant, but no QB in the NFL can make, not even Lamar. So when the question is about who is scarier to defend...its easy to see why someone would say Allen, because there is a lot more you have to defend when facing Allen than Rodgers. And quite frankly, I will add in that Allen is also better at motivating his teammates and making everyone around him better...where Rodgers will immediately throw teammates under the bus after a loss, just like the Niners loss last year in the post game press conference.

I hate it when people say “Andy Dalton”. We would have won 10 games instead of 9 had Tyrod started against Chargers. I was at that game, and Chargers were a losing team, only had 2 close wins over bad teams and were on a 3 game losing streak. Tyrod came in 2nd half and was moving the ball no problem. I was at that game and other Charger games that year. No one can convince me we still lose if Tyrod starts that game against that bad team. So for me, his legacy is as a class act, good teammate who was solid but not great and helped snap the 17 year drought. Two pro bowls, highest scoring era outside the SB years up that time (Allen offense obviously surpassed that now too making Tyrod era now 3rd highest scoring bills era), and saddled with terrible coaching. He should not be crapped on. Don’t have to think he was great (which he wasn’t great), but he wasn’t remotely as bad as his naysayers say and doesn’t deserve the venom some people spit at him.