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All fair points, I get where you are both coming from. @HappyDaysthat is a really good point I admittedly had not really considered actually, where they don’t care as much about the athletic ability specifically at the CB spot compared to that raw athleticism elsewhere. Im starting to come around to the way you’re both seeing it, you’ve made compelling points worth considering here. And Gunner you surely have watched more of him than I have, my thought process was more on the line of how Beane has previously been attracted to athletic and potentially versatile players, even when small school or unpolished in the past. But now that it was pointed out they haven’t really applied that thus far to the CB they have added over the years, which I agree with and just had not really thought about it that way previously, I can see why maybe he might not be on their radar as much as I might have thought, at least early. Ok, you’ve both changed my mind and sold me, solid work and comments gents.

I personally think there is very little possibility of Woolen lasting until the third though, and even less chance he last until our pick in the 3rd. IMHO hes going to go in the 2nd and he seems very much the kind of player Beane and McD love and would be confident in coaching up. Whether or not McD and Beane feel he can be a great player or not is the question. If they see a future superstar in him, then I think not only would be take him in the 2nd, they might move up some to get him. But who knows, they may also watch his tape and come away less enamored, in which case they wouldn't see him as a second round worthy pick either. But in terms of where he gets drafted, I am not sure he even lasts until our pick.

Ah, thought he was there for the first one, either way, he has his ring. He doesn't need to take way less money to chase one, its his last significant contract, he was never coming here on the cheap.

I do think Woolen could be there for the Bills in the 2nd, and he honestly seems like a Beane and McD type of player, raw with incredible gifts and upside. So if he is there in the 2nd, I think he could be the pick there. CB in the first still seems the more probable scenario, but I am confident Beane won't reach for one either. And if there isn't one atop their draft board at 25 and decide to go another direction and pass on a CB there, then it would not surprise me to see them then trade up from 57 to go get a CB they covet. One thing I know about Beane is he is pretty true to his board, and he isn't afraid to move up to get a guy he is targeting. And I think a less costly trade up in the 2nd is more likely then a big move in the first that could cost premium picks.

I find it weird you didn't include Kyle Hamilton, who we have met with along with other safeties too. There is talk about a Bills interest in moving up as well, while there is also talk Hamilton could slide out of the top 10 too. Honestly, he has more of a chance to be our pick than several other players on your list. Not saying he is our target, but right now he seems to at least be somewhere in play compared to a lot of these players the Bills have not even met with nor would have much of a chance of being at the top of Beanes board.

Beane said he inquired about people coming in cheaper to go after a ring. Im sure he made a similar inquiry to Gilmroe. But Gilmore does not need to chase a ring, hes already won multiple. At this stage, money matters near the end of his career more. So Gilmore was never going to come here on a cheap deal and we were never going to pay any where near what he got. Other CB's might be willing to forego more money elsewhere to come here to chase a ring though, Gilmore just didn't fit that description.

For real, his set at Coachella was incredible, you should look it up its out there. I actually ran into Mac and Ariana Grande the next day and told him it was one of the best sets I had seen in the 7 Coachellas I had been too. He was super gracious and seemed like a good dude. We actually were standing coincidentally next to his Dad during the show too.

$35 million for a top 13 QB is fair IMHO.

I just got to Coachella with VIP Artist passes for the weekend...hoping to bump into Josh Allen in VIP somewhere. Have no idea if he is going, but thought they might hit it up given they have been in LA. I met Von Miller in VIP Pit during the Mac Miller performance like 3 or 4 years ago. Brought a lot of Bills gear to wear just in case I run into him, Von, or any other Bills players ha!

I defended his talent all the way until his 2nd year with the Rams. But at that point it became clear, the talent didn't match the drive. Sammy Watkins is like having a Formula 1 race car with a Ford Mustang engine in it. He just never had the drive to be great or live up to his potential. Especially since he kept getting paid top dollar for mediocre effort and production.

Was this while he was in Buffalo or after he left? I cant remember

Yeah but all that came out like a week or two earlier. All good

All I’m saying is that was top money 2 years ago. That won’t be top money these next three years with the rising cap where well over 40 will be the norm for even lesser QBs. And he is there 4 years with this year and it averages out to about $35m per year over those 4 years. He is 13th best QB by my ranking and within a year or two his $40m salary will be in about that range compared to the rest of the NFL as other QBs get paid. So it’s not “top money” is all I’m saying as he’s gonna drop to around 10th highest paid pretty quickly as guys like Lamar, Murray, Hebert, etc start getting paid. All QBs are usually paid above their worth when they initially sign their deal. I don’t find his to be egregious based on where QB salaries are headed next two seasons.

Yeah, thats kind of where I am at too. I think those might be the only players they would move up for 10+ spots for, but its going to take one of them slipping far enough to get. Other than that, I do think Beane would pull the trigger on a move up for someone else, but I doubt its far enough where it would cost us more than a 3rd. Beane covets his premium picks.

Good thing they aren't paying him "top money" then. They paid him good money, not top money. I would say its a fair contract on both sides.

Agreed. And honestly, I think people are sleeping too much on the Raiders this year. They are the popular choice to finish 4th in their division, but I think they will challenge for a wild card spot and could push for the division this year. I mean all the other teams in their division have some questions about them heading into the season: KC has some struggles at times last year and now lost some key players, including one of its best players while every team in their division got significantly better on paper. Den adds Wilson, but he is coming off a down year. Will he bounce back to closer to his old form, or will it be more of the same. Can their WR's stay healthy? LAC added some needed defensive help, but will it be enough. They were bad in all 3 phases of defense last year and they just seem to still have that lack of clutch the Chargers always seem to lack. Can they find a way to win the tough and close games? While they seemed improved on paper, so do most their division mates, so will it be enough? On paper, its the toughest division I can ever remember seeing, so its hard to say who will emerge. Last year they proved through adversity they could grind out those gritty wins in tough close games. If that team shows up again, with Adams and Chandler now on the roster, they might not only be able to win a wild card spot, but possibly the division. Interesting futures bet: Raiders to win division at +700 I kind of like it.

Yeah, I think when you are in about that range there a couple guys that could slide here or there. And I wouldn't quibble over that either.

I will say this, I wasn't too high on Carr prior to last year. However, they did win quite a few games because of him, lots of late game heroics despite the coaching turmoil and a weak group of WR's with the exception of Renfrow. So I would say this is a good extension for the Raiders, it would be hard to upgrade from him and I would say he is better than above average. More like good, but not great. Personally I would take Carr over someone like Cousins. Agreed Bill...he isn't top 10, but I think he is certainly in the top 15. In no particular order, I would list them like this... Top 5: (In no particular order) Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Watson (until Watson shows me he is not top 5 on the field, I am going with what he had been before missing a year, and that was a top 5 QB, which I fully expect him to be again at some point after coming back). Top 6-10: (In no particular order) Herbert, Lamar, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford. Then I would go: 11 - Prescott 12 - Murray 13 - Carr Ryan and Cousins would round out the top 15 for me in which ever order, they are closely graded to me at this point.

Ha fixed it...it literally auto corrects to Anderson with the O every time I type his name. Sometimes I catch it, others I don't lol.

Yeah but neither McKissic or Duke were coming here to challenge Devin as the primary ball carrier, they are receiving RB specialists who can be a weapon for josh on screens, obvious passing downs, 3rd/4th and long conversion attempts. Neither was going to take many rush attempts Devin. Now if the Bills draft someone who would be a player to at least split carries with Devin and potentially take over lead duties next year when Devin is a FA, then I think that will obviously negatively impact Devin. But keep in mind, Devin only had 7 games last year where he got at least 13 carries, and 4 of them came in the last 6 games (reg season and playoffs). In those 7 games, he averaged over 80 yards per game rushing and had 7 TDs. Projected over a full season, that is about 1400 yards and 17 TDs. So I think McD and Beane are a bit higher on Devin than some people on this board. However, Devin is a FA next year, and Beane likely stays true to his board with BPA in the draft, so its certainly on the table he could take one of the premier RB prospects if there is one they covet. If I had to guess though, I think its more likely they draft more of that speedy receiving back, someone who is gonna push Duke Johnson to the waiver wire in pre season. Yeah but neither McKissic or Duke were coming here to challenge Devin as the primary ball carrier, they are receiving RB specialists who can be a weapon for josh on screens, obvious passing downs, 3rd/4th and long conversion attempts. Neither was going to take many rush attempts Devin. Now if the Bills draft someone who would be a player to at least split carries with Devin and potentially take over lead duties next year when Devin is a FA, then I think that will obviously negatively impact Devin. And keep in mind, Devin only had 7 games last year where he got at least 13 carries, and 4 of them came in the last 6 games (reg season and playoffs). In those 7 games, he averaged over 80 yards per game rushing, 4.7 ypc and had 7 TDs. Projected over a full season, that is about 1400 yards and 17 TDs. So I think McD and Beane are a bit higher on Devin than some people on this board. However, Devin is a FA next year, and Beane likely stays true to his board with BPA in the draft, so its certainly on the table he could take one of the premier RB prospects if there is one they covet. If I had to guess though, I think its more likely they draft more of that speedy receiving back, someone who is gonna push Duke Johnson to the waiver wire in pre season. Yeah but neither McKissic or Duke were coming here to challenge Devin as the primary ball carrier, they are receiving RB specialists who can be a weapon for josh on screens, obvious passing downs, 3rd/4th and long conversion attempts. Neither was going to take many rush attempts Devin. Now if the Bills draft someone who would be a player to at least split carries with Devin and potentially take over lead duties next year when Devin is a FA, then I think that will obviously negatively impact Devin. And keep in mind, Devin only had 7 games last year where he got at least 13 carries, and 4 of them came in the last 6 games (reg season and playoffs). In those 7 games, he averaged over 80 yards per game rushing, 4.7 ypc and had 7 TDs. Projected over a full season, that is about 1400 yards and 17 TDs. So I think McD and Beane are a bit higher on Devin than some people on this board. However, Devin is a FA next year, and Beane likely stays true to his board with BPA in the draft, so its certainly on the table he could take one of the premier RB prospects if there is one they covet. If I had to guess though, I think its more likely they draft more of that speedy receiving back, someone who is gonna push Duke Johnson to the waiver wire in pre season.

Ascending: Greg Rousseau - With this revamped line in the trenches and Von Miller, I think he is in line for a breakout year. Was going to say Gabriel Davis, but I think he's kind of already broke out to a degree, and Rousseau has further to "ascend" so going with him. Descending: Tre White - (JUST THIS SEASON) I am only talking about what I expect from him this season. I think he will still be good for us, but I am skeptical he gets all the way back to his peak form during this season. Often takes a player getting through a season to get through both the mental and physical hurdles of coming back from this kind of injury. So I think while he will still be our starter and a good starter when he gets back, but I think we are going to see him struggle a bit more than we are used to at times, especially with some of the faster WRs until he truly gets back all the way from the injury. Shocking: Devin Singletary runs for 1200+ yards and double digit TDs. When Devin got at least 13 carries last season (7 Games, 5 of them down the stretch and playoffs) he averaged 81.43 YPG, 4.7 YPC with 7 TDS in 7 Games...which projected over a full season would be almost 1400 yards and 17 TDs. As we sit right now, Devin is easily in line IMHO for at least 13 carries a game, and that number could jump considering in 4 out of his last 6 games last season and playoffs, he had between 16 and 22 carries. The only thing where this could change is if Bills somewhat surprise and take a RB early this year where Devin is maybe splitting carries as the season goes on with another lead back level RB. But if Devin is still the clear featured RB after the draft and come week 1, then I think he is in store for a season that will shock a lot of people around here. Packing: Zack Moss: I was wrestling with Cody Ford and Zach Moss here...I went Moss for 2 reasons...1 the Bills seem to be looking at a number of RB's in the draft right now, and 2 we brought in Kromer which I think might give Ford a little bit longer leash to see if Kromer can mold something out of him. But both are questionable to make the final roster week 1 right now IMHO. If we draft a RB, then I just don't see how Moss sticks around given he doesn't do anything better than Devin, nor does he do anything that Devin can't also do. I think both are potential trade candidates and both are guys Beane can probably get something for.

I don't think anything happens with Edmunds this year. I seriously doubt they would replace the QB of the defense (and both McD and Beane have praised Edmunds for his play and doing what he is asked to do) with a rookie on a learning not only how to play in the NFL, but also how to dissect plays pre snap and direct the defense accordingly. That being said, taking a rookie now to potentially replace him next year is not out of the question. Just doubt they would take a rookie and then trade Edmunds this year like some have speculated here.

I personally think guys like Tariq Woolen and Troy Anderson are the type of players Beane and McD both like.

Honestly, Watson is a top 5 QB himself. People writing him off after a season off is puzzling to me, he is legit top 5 until he shows me something on the field that says he isn't the same guy. Allen obviously is top 5 and a case can be made he is number 1. Top 4 are without debate in no particular order Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers and Brady (assuming Brady keeps up the level of play he had last year again). As good as Allen is, there are just people who are not going to accept it until he has the resume which needs to include a SB win and probably an MVP...two things that both have a good chance of happening this season. I have to say though, Burrow is a joke to list ahead of Allen. Can you even make a case for Burrow being top in the 5 just the AFC even right now? I mean in no particular order: In the AFC alone you have Allen, Mahomes, Wilson, Watson, Hebert, Lamar, Burrow, etc. If I had to pick the best 5 in just the AFC, Burrow is 6th. I would go Allen, Mahomes, Watson, Hebert, Wilson, then Burrow...but you can make a case for Lamar at 5 or 6 too. There isn't anything Burrow is better at than Allen IMHO, and certainly not better than him overall. Burrow is still getting better presumably, so he can close the gap, but today he is not on the same level as Allen. Allen throws lasers, dimes, etc. Burrow throws a lot of prayer balls to elite receivers who make insane plays. Allen makes throws Burrow will never be able to make, and Allen is a superior athlete and runner with superior escapability. Again, not saying Burrow wont become a top 5 QB overall in the NFL, just saying he is arguably not even top 5 in the AFC today while Allen is easily one of the best overall in the game, and has a case for the best QB right now. Just because the Bengals, as a TEAM, surprised and made the SB, Burrow is getting over exaggerated in terms of where he ranks against his peers.

Honestly, I think it has a lot to do with how they play this year in some of those cases. Edmunds - With the revamped DL this year, it could set Edmunds up for his best season yet. We have more speed, more beef, and better closers in front of him now, that always makes the MLBs job easier. So what he does this season will be interesting, does he step his game up or is it more of the same? And the bigger question too is if he does have his best season, what will that do to his price tag if they do want to resign him. Poyer - I think they are already planning for life after Poyer potentially given the number of safeties they seem to have spoken to or met with in this draft. The combination of his age and price tag I think could make him a cap casualty. However, the odds for him staying go up if we don't resign Edmunds. Oliver - Coming off his best season as a pro, he could be in line for an even better season. Oliver is at that point where this is probably the year he proves he is worth resigning and paying to keep long term or not. And he is really set up now to have his best year yet with our new revamped DL looking so promising overall. So he is another guy whose future I think is in how he follows up his breakout season last year. Now you have other guys who are already under contract in Hyde, White, Milano, and Miller. Personally, I don't know what kind of cap ramifications moving on from any of them would have, so hard to say if they would consider moving on early from either of those guys without knowing that. But if I had to guess, I think these 4 guys got a good chance to stick around. Miller just signed, so obvious he is here a few years. Hyde I think there is a good chance he will see the end of his extension (2 more years). White isn't going anywhere as long he is gets back to at least close to what he was before the injury, and Milano I would think sees the end of his extension too, especially if they don't keep Edmunds. With the cap rising so much next year the salaries of Hyde, Milano, and White are going to be seen as good deals compared to what some of the FA's are going to be getting of similar quality players I suspect. Likely leaves: Poyer Likely stays: Oliver Coin flip as of today: Edmunds