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I see a lot of people say this...but it brings up a legitimate question for me when I see someone see this. What has Beane done that leads you to believe that whatever decision they make at 25 wasn't a good decision for the team or their BPA? To the point your head would explode? We went from laughing stock, to complete turn around, to number 1 offense and number 1 defense in the NFL last year where a ST Coaching mistake may have cost us a SB trip, to now a destination players want to come play and be part of. Just saying, I would think trusting the decisions our FO and staff make at that point would give some people some comfort they know what they are doing. But I have seen some people freaking out about the possibility of us taking a specific position they don't themselves like.

Ill take the Eagles, Falcons, Saints, Jaguars, Ravens

I respectfully disagree, I think first is exactly where they belong and where I have felt for a couple seasons now. Tell that to Emmanuel Sanders who gushes over Davis saying hes different and is going to be a Pro Bowler. So yeah, Sanders disagrees with you, but then again, not surprising you disagree with something positive about the Bills.

No disrespect, but this may be the worst take on our "needs" that I have seen. The fact you have CB ranked so low is mind blowing, despite the fact the only CB capable of starting week 1 right now is our 3rd string CB from last year. We don't know when Tre will be ready or even how well he will play when he gets back. Its literally our weakest positional group on the whole roster and thinnest right now too. Dane Jackson did ok until he got smoked by KC in the playoffs. Most puzzling is in your description of CB need you literally say it is one of the top needs, there is only one DB (a nickel corner at that) on the roster you trust, and even acknowledge we need 2 CB's even. Yet you ranked CB need 6th on your list. Sorry man, that just doesn't make any sense to me. And how you have TE as the 2nd biggest need is also puzzling. We are all set at TE this year, but yes another one could and probably will be drafted given both are FA's next year. But in terms of "need" its no where near as pressing as CB and IOL probably are. And how is S not a draft need right now if you have these others listed as a "need". Poyer is a FA after this season, is over 30, and Bills have met with multiple safety prospects already. Its possible they don't plan to resign Poyer for cap reasons given all the players we have coming up for new deals. So, if you are gonna list TE for example as a need, how is safety not one too? Again, just giving feedback, not meant to be disrespectful. But this list just didnt make any sense. OH...almost forgot...your take on the RB's is way off. You realize that in the 7 games we actually gave Singletary real carries, his stats were great right? When Devin got 13 or more carries last year (7 total games, 4 of which came in the last 6 games) he averaged over 80 yards a game, 4.7 YPC and had 7 TDs. Projected over a whole season its basically 1400 yards rushing and 17 TD's. So sorry man, our RBs are not terrible, Daboll just didn't commit enough to establishing the run until the end of the season where Devin was quite good.

Question: Are we allowed to make any edits ahead of the draft? Edits show the time stamp, so would be able to see it was before the draft starts. OL WR CB S P TE Suit: BLACK - all blacked out, all items black.

All fair points, I get where you are both coming from. @HappyDaysthat is a really good point I admittedly had not really considered actually, where they don’t care as much about the athletic ability specifically at the CB spot compared to that raw athleticism elsewhere. Im starting to come around to the way you’re both seeing it, you’ve made compelling points worth considering here. And Gunner you surely have watched more of him than I have, my thought process was more on the line of how Beane has previously been attracted to athletic and potentially versatile players, even when small school or unpolished in the past. But now that it was pointed out they haven’t really applied that thus far to the CB they have added over the years, which I agree with and just had not really thought about it that way previously, I can see why maybe he might not be on their radar as much as I might have thought, at least early. Ok, you’ve both changed my mind and sold me, solid work and comments gents.

I personally think there is very little possibility of Woolen lasting until the third though, and even less chance he last until our pick in the 3rd. IMHO hes going to go in the 2nd and he seems very much the kind of player Beane and McD love and would be confident in coaching up. Whether or not McD and Beane feel he can be a great player or not is the question. If they see a future superstar in him, then I think not only would be take him in the 2nd, they might move up some to get him. But who knows, they may also watch his tape and come away less enamored, in which case they wouldn't see him as a second round worthy pick either. But in terms of where he gets drafted, I am not sure he even lasts until our pick.

Ah, thought he was there for the first one, either way, he has his ring. He doesn't need to take way less money to chase one, its his last significant contract, he was never coming here on the cheap.

I do think Woolen could be there for the Bills in the 2nd, and he honestly seems like a Beane and McD type of player, raw with incredible gifts and upside. So if he is there in the 2nd, I think he could be the pick there. CB in the first still seems the more probable scenario, but I am confident Beane won't reach for one either. And if there isn't one atop their draft board at 25 and decide to go another direction and pass on a CB there, then it would not surprise me to see them then trade up from 57 to go get a CB they covet. One thing I know about Beane is he is pretty true to his board, and he isn't afraid to move up to get a guy he is targeting. And I think a less costly trade up in the 2nd is more likely then a big move in the first that could cost premium picks.

I find it weird you didn't include Kyle Hamilton, who we have met with along with other safeties too. There is talk about a Bills interest in moving up as well, while there is also talk Hamilton could slide out of the top 10 too. Honestly, he has more of a chance to be our pick than several other players on your list. Not saying he is our target, but right now he seems to at least be somewhere in play compared to a lot of these players the Bills have not even met with nor would have much of a chance of being at the top of Beanes board.

Beane said he inquired about people coming in cheaper to go after a ring. Im sure he made a similar inquiry to Gilmroe. But Gilmore does not need to chase a ring, hes already won multiple. At this stage, money matters near the end of his career more. So Gilmore was never going to come here on a cheap deal and we were never going to pay any where near what he got. Other CB's might be willing to forego more money elsewhere to come here to chase a ring though, Gilmore just didn't fit that description.

For real, his set at Coachella was incredible, you should look it up its out there. I actually ran into Mac and Ariana Grande the next day and told him it was one of the best sets I had seen in the 7 Coachellas I had been too. He was super gracious and seemed like a good dude. We actually were standing coincidentally next to his Dad during the show too.

$35 million for a top 13 QB is fair IMHO.

I just got to Coachella with VIP Artist passes for the weekend...hoping to bump into Josh Allen in VIP somewhere. Have no idea if he is going, but thought they might hit it up given they have been in LA. I met Von Miller in VIP Pit during the Mac Miller performance like 3 or 4 years ago. Brought a lot of Bills gear to wear just in case I run into him, Von, or any other Bills players ha!

I defended his talent all the way until his 2nd year with the Rams. But at that point it became clear, the talent didn't match the drive. Sammy Watkins is like having a Formula 1 race car with a Ford Mustang engine in it. He just never had the drive to be great or live up to his potential. Especially since he kept getting paid top dollar for mediocre effort and production.

Was this while he was in Buffalo or after he left? I cant remember

Yeah but all that came out like a week or two earlier. All good

All I’m saying is that was top money 2 years ago. That won’t be top money these next three years with the rising cap where well over 40 will be the norm for even lesser QBs. And he is there 4 years with this year and it averages out to about $35m per year over those 4 years. He is 13th best QB by my ranking and within a year or two his $40m salary will be in about that range compared to the rest of the NFL as other QBs get paid. So it’s not “top money” is all I’m saying as he’s gonna drop to around 10th highest paid pretty quickly as guys like Lamar, Murray, Hebert, etc start getting paid. All QBs are usually paid above their worth when they initially sign their deal. I don’t find his to be egregious based on where QB salaries are headed next two seasons.

Yeah, thats kind of where I am at too. I think those might be the only players they would move up for 10+ spots for, but its going to take one of them slipping far enough to get. Other than that, I do think Beane would pull the trigger on a move up for someone else, but I doubt its far enough where it would cost us more than a 3rd. Beane covets his premium picks.

Good thing they aren't paying him "top money" then. They paid him good money, not top money. I would say its a fair contract on both sides.

Agreed. And honestly, I think people are sleeping too much on the Raiders this year. They are the popular choice to finish 4th in their division, but I think they will challenge for a wild card spot and could push for the division this year. I mean all the other teams in their division have some questions about them heading into the season: KC has some struggles at times last year and now lost some key players, including one of its best players while every team in their division got significantly better on paper. Den adds Wilson, but he is coming off a down year. Will he bounce back to closer to his old form, or will it be more of the same. Can their WR's stay healthy? LAC added some needed defensive help, but will it be enough. They were bad in all 3 phases of defense last year and they just seem to still have that lack of clutch the Chargers always seem to lack. Can they find a way to win the tough and close games? While they seemed improved on paper, so do most their division mates, so will it be enough? On paper, its the toughest division I can ever remember seeing, so its hard to say who will emerge. Last year they proved through adversity they could grind out those gritty wins in tough close games. If that team shows up again, with Adams and Chandler now on the roster, they might not only be able to win a wild card spot, but possibly the division. Interesting futures bet: Raiders to win division at +700 I kind of like it.

Yeah, I think when you are in about that range there a couple guys that could slide here or there. And I wouldn't quibble over that either.

I will say this, I wasn't too high on Carr prior to last year. However, they did win quite a few games because of him, lots of late game heroics despite the coaching turmoil and a weak group of WR's with the exception of Renfrow. So I would say this is a good extension for the Raiders, it would be hard to upgrade from him and I would say he is better than above average. More like good, but not great. Personally I would take Carr over someone like Cousins. Agreed Bill...he isn't top 10, but I think he is certainly in the top 15. In no particular order, I would list them like this... Top 5: (In no particular order) Allen, Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Watson (until Watson shows me he is not top 5 on the field, I am going with what he had been before missing a year, and that was a top 5 QB, which I fully expect him to be again at some point after coming back). Top 6-10: (In no particular order) Herbert, Lamar, Wilson, Burrow, Stafford. Then I would go: 11 - Prescott 12 - Murray 13 - Carr Ryan and Cousins would round out the top 15 for me in which ever order, they are closely graded to me at this point.

Ha fixed it...it literally auto corrects to Anderson with the O every time I type his name. Sometimes I catch it, others I don't lol.

Yeah but neither McKissic or Duke were coming here to challenge Devin as the primary ball carrier, they are receiving RB specialists who can be a weapon for josh on screens, obvious passing downs, 3rd/4th and long conversion attempts. Neither was going to take many rush attempts Devin. Now if the Bills draft someone who would be a player to at least split carries with Devin and potentially take over lead duties next year when Devin is a FA, then I think that will obviously negatively impact Devin. But keep in mind, Devin only had 7 games last year where he got at least 13 carries, and 4 of them came in the last 6 games (reg season and playoffs). In those 7 games, he averaged over 80 yards per game rushing and had 7 TDs. Projected over a full season, that is about 1400 yards and 17 TDs. So I think McD and Beane are a bit higher on Devin than some people on this board. However, Devin is a FA next year, and Beane likely stays true to his board with BPA in the draft, so its certainly on the table he could take one of the premier RB prospects if there is one they covet. If I had to guess though, I think its more likely they draft more of that speedy receiving back, someone who is gonna push Duke Johnson to the waiver wire in pre season. Yeah but neither McKissic or Duke were coming here to challenge Devin as the primary ball carrier, they are receiving RB specialists who can be a weapon for josh on screens, obvious passing downs, 3rd/4th and long conversion attempts. Neither was going to take many rush attempts Devin. Now if the Bills draft someone who would be a player to at least split carries with Devin and potentially take over lead duties next year when Devin is a FA, then I think that will obviously negatively impact Devin. And keep in mind, Devin only had 7 games last year where he got at least 13 carries, and 4 of them came in the last 6 games (reg season and playoffs). In those 7 games, he averaged over 80 yards per game rushing, 4.7 ypc and had 7 TDs. Projected over a full season, that is about 1400 yards and 17 TDs. So I think McD and Beane are a bit higher on Devin than some people on this board. However, Devin is a FA next year, and Beane likely stays true to his board with BPA in the draft, so its certainly on the table he could take one of the premier RB prospects if there is one they covet. If I had to guess though, I think its more likely they draft more of that speedy receiving back, someone who is gonna push Duke Johnson to the waiver wire in pre season. Yeah but neither McKissic or Duke were coming here to challenge Devin as the primary ball carrier, they are receiving RB specialists who can be a weapon for josh on screens, obvious passing downs, 3rd/4th and long conversion attempts. Neither was going to take many rush attempts Devin. Now if the Bills draft someone who would be a player to at least split carries with Devin and potentially take over lead duties next year when Devin is a FA, then I think that will obviously negatively impact Devin. And keep in mind, Devin only had 7 games last year where he got at least 13 carries, and 4 of them came in the last 6 games (reg season and playoffs). In those 7 games, he averaged over 80 yards per game rushing, 4.7 ypc and had 7 TDs. Projected over a full season, that is about 1400 yards and 17 TDs. So I think McD and Beane are a bit higher on Devin than some people on this board. However, Devin is a FA next year, and Beane likely stays true to his board with BPA in the draft, so its certainly on the table he could take one of the premier RB prospects if there is one they covet. If I had to guess though, I think its more likely they draft more of that speedy receiving back, someone who is gonna push Duke Johnson to the waiver wire in pre season.