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So everyone else gushing about Allen and the offense today and Thad still not impressed and not to his expectations still. Has anyone ever seen Thad Brown and Nick Wright in the same place at the same time? 🤔

I hear where you are coming from, but what you missed is that I was including the whole story. There was a lot that happened before the hallway, and that’s what is everyone is leaving out. People here keep discussing only a portion of what happened, which was just the physical part and not what happened prior to that and what happened after the hallway. So I would counter actually everyone else is not discussing the whole story and only focused on just where the physical altercation occurred. Again, not excusing his mistake, he made a bad decision after finding himself in a poor situation. But my main point was that mistake has been punished, he’s served that punishment, he lost his job and a lot of earning potential, he apologized and was remorseful, and been a model citizen since. So nothing about this incident suggests it’s a true definition of his character, and seems more like an isolated regretful mistake he learned from. And just so it’s clear, I’m hugely against men ever touching a woman unless someone’s life or safety is in direct danger. But at the same time, women don’t get to just not accept any responsibility for their actions either. And there is a lot of context here that’s being over looked in what caused the poor reaction from Hunt. And while that does NOT excuse or validate his poor choices, it does provide context that is necessary when trying to see if this is a pattern of who he really is or an isolated incident. And everything that happened, his history, and track record since all point to this being an isolated bad decision he’s grown from and not a pattern of this kind behavior.

All good, we don’t have to agree on everything I think he has continued to be humble and worked on himself. And at some point he has the same rights to do what’s best for him too from a business point of view. RB life spans are not that long, so he shouldn’t be frowned upon for trying to do what’s best for his career at this point. He’s already done everything right since the incident. And quite honestly if I was him, I would be furious that Watson was on the team, traded a bounty to get him, only got 6 game suspension, and was handed a quarter of a billion dollars despite a massive pattern of sexual misconduct that has already reached 24 women…23 of which he paid money to already. For all we know, his contract and trade demands could be for more reasons than just “more money”. He may just want out of Cleveland after what’s transpired this past year, and I wouldn’t blame him or anyone for that matter.

I don’t disagree it was out of line and mistake. But end of the day, she was the one refusing to leave, she was the one instigating from the start, and she was the one who escalated the situation. So I don’t think this is a fair representation of his character. He was younger, in a bad situation, and reacted poorly. All signs point to he learned from his mistake and has no prior history of this either. Does not excuse him by any means, but he’s already paid for this incident and has not been a second time offender. All reports on him in college, in KC prior to this, and in Cleveland since are that he’s been trouble free. What’s the point of owning up to your mistakes and changing your behavior if people are just not gonna let it go? And in terms of NFL incidents, this was pretty mild. And sorry, the physicality on this is nothing compared to other players in the NFL incidents, including his former teammate Tyreek Hill who has practically had zero consequence for his actions that included beating the hell out of his pregnant girlfriend in college and then later violence against that very kid.

This isn’t just a response to you, but to everyone who clearly don’t have their facts straight and have a false narrative of what happened. I recommend getting caught back up on the case, cuz you and others have a skewed view of what went down. 1. Hey had been trying to get her to leave, but she refused to leave their hotel room and was causing problems with everyone in the room prior to the hallway incident, including the other women there. Then refused to leave in the hallway too. 2. She called them the N word. 3. She initiated the physical altercation and struck one of his entourage first. 4. While what he did was still out of line, Hunt was being provoked and harassed the entire time by a woman looking to instigate something. She continuously tried to escalate the situation when they were all telling her to leave. 5. He didn’t hit her, he basically gave her a pretty meaningless kick in the butt once she was on the ground. I say meaningless in terms of level of physical damage or harm. I mean on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being Ray Rice, the “kick” was like a 1 at most in terms of physical harm. Hunt made a mistake and paid his dues for putting himself in that bad position and has had a squeaky clean record before that and ever since. He got himself into a bad position and made a poor judgement call and he cost himself millions in the process as he certainly would have made more thus far in his career if not for the incident. But it’s totally unnecessary to keep dragging him over the coals for it. And definitely even less necessary to over exaggerate what really happened and try and paint a different picture contrary to the facts to make him into a monster, which all evidence about him as a person outside this incident suggests this was an outlier and not regular behavior.

No one is going to refer to Davis as just "solid" anymore once this season begins. He might even lead the Bills in receiving this year

Shakir was one of my favorite draft picks, I couldn't believe he was still there in the 5th. I thought he was 2nd round to top of the 3rd round heading into the draft. Everything about his game reminds me of Kupp, which isn't a coincidence either as he patterns his game after Kupp. Not saying he will walk in and be the next Kupp, but he has that kind of potential and I think he will be here a long time and a fan favorite.

Seriously...What the hell is the point to bringing up the old tweets? Why is there a 4 page thread mostly about something that was so long ago when he was a dumb high school student thats already been explained, owned up to, apologized for, and forgiven? Like nobody cares, leave it alone. People hold on to crap way too much in this country. Thought this was going to be a good thread on all the great things Josh has done, but its been hijacked by this nonsense. Unbelievable its even being discussed. Not even worth coming back to this thread.

Breaking News: Beane is really good at his job...and has always been really good at his job since his first season here. No chance to beat 2018, just on the elite QB factor alone. But, I am supremely confident we will get a lot of contributions this year from Elam, Cook, and Araiza this year. Shakir is the future at slot for us, and I expect him to make some plays this year and come in next year as the starter at slot poised for a heavy workload. If just 3 of those 4 pan out, this draft will be a home run. And several of others as the OP have been standing out and making plays. I wont get too excited until we start seeing them in live game action, but the class as a whole is looking strong thus far which just adds to the excitement.

I mean thats a pretty exaggerated take. I dont get all the over the top negative stuff in regards to Singletary around here. I mean he has an excellent YPC, and excelled when we finally ran the ball last year. His stats when he got at least 12 carries or more (mostly over the back part of the season and playoffs) would project out over a 17 game regular season to be 1400 yards and 17 TD's. Im not saying he is elite or cant be upgraded from, but to say Cook (whose never played a single NFL snap) is worlds more talented at this stage is pretty extreme. Im as excited about Cook as anyone, and I think there are things they each do that compliment each other. Not to mention, there's been nothing but high praise for Singletary all camp long and him looking even better than last year. I dont know if he gets resigned or not, but he will certainly be highly involved in our run game this year still.

I was referring to the AFC, where we were the top scoring offense 2 years in a row. Its the AFC playoffs we have not made it out of yet to reach a SB. So no, I didnt make that stat up, its fact. And there was no comparably weak unit on the defense? WOW...did you even watch last season? Or did you just watch the games where we played bad teams? Because we sure struggled with getting run all over on by better teams, not to mention not being able to get to Mahomes again killed us. What happened the last 2 seasons? We got bounced in the AFCCG by the Chiefs in 2020, then again in the 2nd round by the Chiefs in 2021. What happened the very next game for the Chiefs both seasons? Lost both games...SB to Bucs after the Bucs D dominated the Chiefs and AFCCG this year they lost to the Bengals after the Bengals defense shut down the Chiefs in the second half and dominated them. So sorry, to sit here and pretend our Defense which gave of 42 points to Chiefs including 2 TDs and a FG in under 3 minutes of play at the end of the game was not the bigger issue is just crazy. Especially since the team we have NOT been able to get past keeps getting bounced the following week by DEFENSE.

Why do you point out the defense was ranked #1 and then dont mention how the offense was ALSO number 1 and number 1 for 2 consecutive seasons? Instead when talking offense you want to point out a specific unit instead while not doing the same for the defense. I didn't make anything up, I simply pointed out that its a FACT our defense has not been on the same level as our offense. We averaged 41.5 points per game in the playoffs. Josh accounted for over 800 yards and 9 TD's in 2 games. Our RB averaged 4.8 YPC. But what about our defense...oh yeah, they gave 42 points including 17 points in the final minutes of the game to send us home. So for a team with such a bad offensive line as you put it (which was not an accurate portrayal of the OL after Bates stabilized the line and we also started running the ball), we sure didn't seem to have any trouble scoring points, throwing the ball, or running the ball. BUT our front sevens inability to get to Mahomes sure as heck helped send us home. Our defense surrendering 42 points sure helped send us home. No one with any common sense what so ever blames our offense for not advancing past the Chiefs. Literally no one.

Isn't Twitter Spaces just a ripoff of Clubhouse?

Well you are basically complaining about signing Von Miller. I mean you seem want them to have spent that money on OL instead of Miller. His contract is the reason more money wasn't spent big on other positions this year. So dont come in here and say "Has anyone complained about adding Von Miller?" while then complaining we didnt spend more money on the OL because we signed Von Miller. And like I already pointed out to the other regular negative on here, Offense has been ahead of the defense the last 2 seasons. Yet we still invested a lot into the offense drafting while also working to improve the defense. Every year every single team has areas they can improve on. There has never been a SB champion that didn't have a unit that couldn't be upgraded. But teams work to keep making their teams better every offseason. But a team can only do so much in one offseason based on cap limits, available players, players that want to sign here, etc. We had a great offseason where both the #1 offense last year and #1 defense last year have seen additions that will make both sides of the ball even better this season.

I guess you missed the part where we drafted Cook and Shakir this year, both who will likely contribute this year. Or the part where we retained Bates, who helped stabilize the line last year and brought in Saffold and several other FA's. Or the signing of OJ Howard. I guess you missed the part where we drafted 2 OT's (one of which that emerged as a starter as a rookie) last draft along with a WR and signed Emmanuel Sanders. Or the year before in 2020 where almost our entire draft was offense that included drafting Moss, Gabe, and Bass...2 of which are major weapons for us. So, sorry, sell this false story elsewhere that we have ignored offense and put it on the back burner. We fielded the number 1 offense 2 seasons in a row and likely will again this year. To see someone complain about the offense while the defense has not been on the same level as the offense (not even last year when it was also ranked #1) is just mind blowing.

I didn't miss your point, I said I watched you complain about the defense and then seen you complaining we have spent money to make the defense better. And we did address our OL this offseason, you just didn't like the moves, but that isn't saying much because I can't think of anything you ever positive on that the Bills do. Besides just making moves on the OL, one thing that I think is going to help the OL ultimately is the change to Kromer, and thats a move I think that keeps getting forgotten and over looked. People panicking right now before the starting OL gets to play together is premature. We have some new additions and a new blocking scheme and new offense in general to install, and the starting unit hasn't taken any reps as a complete group yet.

Thats not what I said though. I said its amusing to watch people complain about something like the defense during the season...then complain about them going out and making it better. And you know full well you have done your share of posts here complaining about the defense, pass rush, etc.

I love seeing people who spend time all year to openly complain about our defense, then complain again in the offseason when they go and address and improve the defense. Offense averaged 41.5 points per game in the playoffs last year. Defense gave up 42 points to KC to send us home and couldn't hold KC for 13 seconds or prevent a TD on the opening drive of OT. Seems like the problem was pretty clear why our season ended last year.

But what kind of car do you drive?

While I am not going to rule Moss out given he has shown flashes, wasn't fully healthy last year and has been said to look good this camp...I do still think Devin is the better RB personally, at least until Moss proves otherwise on the field. Personally I don't want to trade Moss or Devin, mainly because I would rather have the depth in a major super bowl run. I hope they just commit to one guy though as the lead back, not evenly split time between Devin and Moss while they also split time with Cook. RB's are best when they find a rhythm, and its best for the OL too to have consistency. And you already have Cook rotating in, so to have a 3rd guy dividing carries is too much IMO.

I don’t think they intend to use Cook as an every down back. I don’t think that’s why they drafted him. I think the intent is to pair him with someone like Devin or Moss. So I think any trade potential would solely be tied to how well Moss plays personally.

After the Bucs game, Devin was finally used with regularity and his averages down the stretch and the playoffs would project to 1400+ yards and 17 TD's. He gets more grief here than he deserves, he is a pretty good RB. I dont know if we will resign him, just from a cap perspective, but he is better than he gets credit for.

6 games? Disgusting.

Thanks! Good read

Im not saying he couldn’t make more or shouldn’t. Im saying the way Edmunds is used is impacting and limiting those kinds of plays. But did Frazier say that he wants more “splash plays” from the defense and you’re just deciding your own narrative that he was really talking about “Edmunds” only, or did Frazier actually say he needs more “splash plays” from specifically Edmunds? I didn’t see the quote, so can you share this where Frazier called out Edmunds directly and for specifically more splash plays? Not calling you out, I legitimately haven’t seen this and would like to read what he said. Mainly because I don’t like how Frazier calls his defense and would like to see what else he had to say that could lead to more aggressive defense this year.