Alphadawg7

RB's are not a dime a dozen, at least not good or great ones. This gets constantly misused and misstated...the reality of where this came from is merely from the fact a lot of very good or better RB's have come outside the first round of the draft. But so has the best WR's too, but people don't say they are a dime a dozen. The majority of the best WR's in the NFL came in rounds 2 or later. Same with OL for example, which is probably even more important than "who" is running the ball as a great OL can make even a mediocre RB look good. Yet the only position the "dime a dozen" label gets used on is RB. And the reason I think that happens is because people see the RB position in general as devalued in what has become a pass dominant league. And now having a shift where you are seeing more and more QB's come in and have throwing success with the ability to also run the ball (Allen, Lamar, Mahomes, Herbert, Jalen, Wilson, etc), it only further has diminished the perceived value of the RB. But truth is, finding a good to great RB isn't all that easy, and even if you do, you can limit their effectiveness if you don't have a strong OL, or a good passing attack to keep them from stacking the box, etc. A good to great RB isn't just a good ball carrier, they are a good receiving option and also need to be good in pass protection. Its just not easy to find a complete package like that.

The problem with doing that is we have 2 other rookies, one of which has a broken hand. And our All Pro hasn't played in a year and it can often take part or all of a season to come all the way back from that injury both physically AND mentally. If Tre was to have a setback or struggle, we would be left with 2 rookies come playoff time. So I really do not see them trading a CB in season. Definitely could see them do something in the offseason, but we are in an all out press for the SB title this year, no need to make us thin at a very important position...one where we will be facing Mahomes and possibly other dangerous passing teams in the playoffs.

Not surprising given the age of the stadium. Doesn’t matter much longer though, new stadium coming.

I hear what you are saying, having the insurance policy. But Devin does make a lot of sense for Carolina. They still need someone to run the ball this year and Devin comes off the books after the end of the year. So IF these talks are real in terms of Car wanting Devin and a 2nd, its certainly because they get a solid RB back for this season that won't be on the cap next season. I still have doubts we trade for CMC anyway, but if we did and included Devin then I would be ok with it. But like you, for the same reasons, I would prefer to keep Devin for insurance reasons.

Gibson isn't better than Devin in any facet of running the ball outside of 40 yard dash race. Devin plays faster, has better vision, better at breaking tackles, better agility, better acceleration, better at pass protection, and hits the hole faster. I don't even know if one can say Gibson is a better receiver anymore given Devins high catch rate. That is one thing no one gives Devin any credit on, how much he has improved as a pass catcher. Now Moss...I would take Gibson over Moss any day of the week. Because they both lack vision, but at least Gibson can be dangerous if he gets lucky and finds a lane.

Its like conditioner for your beard...keeps the beard soft and relaxed and the skin underneath from being irritated.

No this board just hates Devin who they claim is too slow because they over value 40 times in shorts and have no idea how little that plays into a RB's ability to produce on the field. Meanwhile, Devin averages 4.7 YPC for his career (because he has great acceleration and change of direction speed and agility), but they want to trade for a "faster" guy who plays behind a better run blocking OL that is averaging 3.2 YPC and getting benched for a rookie who was shot in the leg 7 weeks ago and hasn't even gotten a chance to really play or get his feet back. The amount of disrespect people give to Devin, who just keeps producing when he is given chances too, is stunning. I mean when they finally committed to Devin and the run game last year, his production in those 7 games would have amounted to 1400 yards and 17 TD's over a full season. But you can't run the ball if you don't call run plays. And we just aren't calling many run plays (again) because the passing offense is dominating to where we are the highest scoring team in the league and had to sit our starters multiple times for an entire quarter due to blow out wins. CMC...Barkley...those guys are definitive upgrades. They are elite RB's...so they at least make sense in people desiring them because they are elite players. But Gibson? This dude can't hold onto his job, is terrible in pass protection, and didn't start playing RB until he got to the NFL where he had some mild success as a rookie but not done a lot since.

He isn't a very good RB. He wasn't a RB, he converted to RB and has not demonstrated the instincts and pass blocking necessary to be leaned on as an every down RB. He has wheels, but that doesn't do you a lot of good if you don't have the vision and instincts to consistently find the lanes. Devin is literally a better RB by every measurable metric outside of top end speed. And we have James Cook already who adds speed and receiving ability, which are the best assets of Gibson. So, nah...I would rather keep our draft picks and go with the better RB in Devin and let Cook develop more and fill any role Gibson would bring.

Lmao, just came across this...James Cook did an ad on instagram for a beard oil...and the comments are hilarious from his teammates like Diggs, Davis, Motor, etc.

I would 100% trade a 2nd and Devin for CMC, even if its a 1 year rental. Devin walking anyway, plus maybe he will get me more points in fantasy if he went to a team that actually used him. But there is no denying, CMC is a game changer player. We got a serious shot at the SB right now, I have no objection to one all in move here to do everything possible to get us over the top for that Lombardi trophy this year. If we had recently won a SB, or had a bunch of SB wins under the belt...I would be less inclined for an all in move with how well we are playing. But damn, not only do I want to get there, I sure as heck don't wanna lose again if we get to the big dance. And having another elite player on the roster helps hedge against unforeseen things like injuries to other key weapons. So...while I am not convinced it happens...I would do this trade to make a major uptick in our SB victory odds. And I am usually against all in moves...unless you clearly have a STRONG path to the SB already like we do.

At least this wasn't another insurrection thread

@GunnerBillsee bud, told you we would be favorites at KC if we kept playing the way we were

I agree with you guys that it would be tough to make the move now with those circumstances. But if they lose a couple games, which they easily could before the trade deadline, then I think it opens up the possibility again. But like you, I don’t expect them to move him.

Yeah, agree with this. We both don't call many run plays and also don't run an offense where traditional run plays are ran from. And we have still scored the most points in the NFL despite missing Davis (and him playing hurt in other games), Knox, McKenzie, and 5 of our OL at various times this year. When our team is healthy, its playing at an unstoppable level right now, and people want to change that and take the ball out of Allens hands more, and I don't understand why. What we need is better play calling at times on short yardage...if they can clean that up, this offense has no flaws. On a side note...What is weird to me, is people will see us run with success multiple times in a game, but just focus on the couple runs that didn't work and then throw the whole run game under the bus as if its a disaster too. Like no RB or team has success on every attempt. But here, the board magnifies the ones that don't work and ignores that we actually run plenty of other times where we chewed big chunks or first downs.

All good was just clarifying as I thought you misread my post to say we would be favored to win 11 in a row versus me really saying we would be the betting favorite in all 11 games.

I mean he is saying if we stay healthy. By the end of the Fins game we were down our entire secondary (Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Dane) and one of the starting backup CB's (Benford), Oliver, Phillips, Knox, McKenzie, and 5 offensive lineman. That is 14 players, 12 of which are starters. And playing in extreme heat in the sun with no shade. Losing guys to the sidelines like Diggs regulalry for cramps and heat exhaustion down the stretch too. While our offense took 93 snaps compared to their 39 meaning no rest in the 4th for the only 5 remaining OL we had while their defense could still rotate guys in and out while sitting in the shade on the sidelines too. And still we dominated that game fully. But we lost because of either a missed opportunity for a FG at end of half...rare Bass missed FG...or a missed opportunity at end of game for FG...any one of those works out we still win this game. It was a very extreme situation...and the poster is talking if we don't have another perfect storm of severe injuries such as that. I said in every game remaining, we will be the betting favorite heading into the game. There is not a game on our schedule we will be an underdog on after this with a healthy Josh Allen.

After this week, if we win this game, not only will we be favored in every remaining game, but we will likely be favored by 7+ each game. Bills have scored the most points in the NFL while allowing the least points in the NFL. And that is with missing Hyde, Poyer, Tre, Edmunds, Oliver, Phillips, half our OL, Davis, McKenzie, and Knox for one to multiple games. That is also with Josh Allen and the starters sitting for 2 and a half quarters of football during 3 blow out wins. We 100% can run the table. Will we...who knows, its the NFL, I mean we already saw the Colts beat the Chiefs 2 weeks ago. We lost to the Jags last year. Bengals lost to the Jets last year before heading to the SB. Personally, I think we will run the table after the Chiefs game. This team is playing with a different edge this year, like they are still pissed off about the 13 seconds and don't want to even risk games coming down to the wire if they can help it. Bills have still not allowed a single point in the 3rd quarter this year, showing how well they are adjusting at halftime too. This team feels like a team of destiny right now and I don't see them letting their guard down during the season. I also believe we will win the Chiefs game by 3 scores.

You cant run the ball if you don't call running plays.

Here is what really happened...this is not suspension worthy. Fine sure, but the dude pops up right in front of Adams when he isn't looking and reacted with a push. Especially given how many times this year people have jumped down and ran onto the field, its not hard to see how this reaction mistakenly happened. Like I said, fine him, but I don't think this deserves a suspension. And the crew member had no business being in the exit tunnel and cutting across the players leaving the field. He should have gone the other direction, not try and cut through the traffic of the players when he stood up.

I didn't compare the incidents, I just showed you what "decking" someone really means. Ray decked his girl...Adams pushed a guy standing up who lost his balance because he wasn't fully upright yet and landed on his butt. The only thing laughable is saying Adams "decked" this guy. Its a gross over exaggeration by leaps and bounds.

Adams didn't "deck" him. He shoved him yes, but decking is an exaggerative description. The guy just stumbled after the shove because of the angle and not having his feet set. Decking someone is what Ray Rice did to his girl in an elevator. This guy got shoved by a bigger guy and stumbled and landed on his butt. This.

Because facts don't matter to people who just live in the world of over exaggerating everything to further their view.

Im not saying we are trading for him, but Giants could easily still trade SB and honestly should. This is year 1 of the rebuild, and they need to shed cap. This is no different than the first year we made the playoffs with Tyrod with McD and Beane. They know that Daniel Jones is NOT the QB to build that team around. They are winning some games and are scrappy, but they know a major rebuild and house cleaning is coming. Saquan is a free agent after this season. So they don't need to trade him to get rid of salary, BUT...he is literally their most valuable asset. And there is little chance that they are going to pay Saquan the kind of money he is likely to see as a FA this offseason at the beginning of a rebuild and chew a bunch of cap up for a RB. And even if they were, Saquan is in the prime of his career...would he even want to sign on for a rebuild that could take a few years to contend if he has contract offers from teams in better position to win? So...you have 2 choices if you are NY. Ride this out with Saquan and lose him for nothing, but hopefully keep winning some games to begin a culture shift that pays off later. Or B, trade Saquan at the peak of his value and get an asset(s) back that can help you rebuild this team moving forward. Just like Carolina with CMC...Barkleys greatest value to the team likely is off the field in their ability to flip him for a valuable asset(s) to rebuild that team. Teams shedding cap space in the early part of a rebuild don't generally start out by giving a mid twenties RB a big contract, and in the prime of his career he probably doesn't want to stay in NY for a full rebuild. So odds are very low Saquan reups with the Giants next year.

I think its a 2 fold problem...Camera man or crew should be more aware and not be in the way of the tunnel. Its a violent game and emotional game...these players coming off the field have the chance to be charged up, excited, angry, what ever. I mean what if Adams was just running to the locker room and bumped into him? Same result (camera man down) even though it would be seen less negative. Second, obviously Adams can't do this. Yes, he was in his way, but he has to keep a cooler head in this situation. End of the day, it was just a shove, in which he already apologized for. I think a hefty fine is sufficient, I don't really see this as something that needs a suspension. Had he thrown a punch or an elbow or something then it would be different. Fine him, but don't think he should be suspended.

Nice job trying to call me out about something that didn't even happen and about something I never said. Another stellar performance by you. Like I said earlier...you really need a new schtick.