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No disrespect, but I don't think you are thinking about this correctly in terms of free agency. Kirk is going to be more in demand than Cooper, Robinson and Williams. These three are going to be more expensive despite being highly inconsistent as receivers most their careers even while playing mostly in productive offenses with good or very good QB's (especially Cooper and Williams). Less teams can afford what they will be looking for, and there is a legit argument if they are even worth what they are going to be seeking given how inconsistent they have been. Who is hot in Free Agency isnt always about who is perceived to be the most talented or accomplished. Adams for example won't have as many suitors because he is too expensive, less people can afford him even though he is night and day better than anyone on this list and arguably the best in the NFL. Godwin is coming off a major injury too and while he likely is back in 2022 barring setbacks, there is no guarantee he comes back and just gets back to his old form early, might take time to get there. How many teams can afford what he will be seeking, and how many are willing to give it to him before he gets back on the field is a legit question with him. Kirk will be a priority or top tier target for a lot of teams because he is perceived to be young and on the rise breaking out, meaning they can get a guy they believe is capable of putting up numbers like some of these other guys in a featured role while paying him considerably less money than several of those other guys will get. So if you want to list these guys in tiers based on their resumes, sure, you can make a case for your list. But if you want to grade as a free agency tier, Kirk will likely have the biggest market for his services than anyone on that list making him a higher tier free agent.

Hahaha yup, I remember this debate vividly, seen it a bunch, its priceless. And the first thing I said when I saw it the first time is that there are 2 guys here, only one has actually watched Allen truly play, and its glaringly obvious who it is. Hint: Wasn't McShay haha.

I don't disagree that if the money isn't a big discrepancy then absolutely we would be in play, and I would love to see him here. Not unreasonable to forego a little bit to play in a big time offense with an elite QB like Josh. I think where I differ with some people here is that I am just of the opinion that I think the discrepancy to what the Bills can or will offer is going to bigger than people think compared to what is on his table. I just believe the market for him will be robust and competitive, so not sure Beane can afford to be as competitive. I will say this though, Beane is, and always will be, seen as a wizard in my eyes. So I won't put it past him to find a creative way to get a guy he covets. But, even so, I just think this particular player seems like a long shot to land here. I would be happy to be wrong about that and see him somehow land here, just today it seems unrealistic given the reasons I stated. I think with a deep WR draft, Beane more likely sounds an affordable vet and then drafts 1 or 2 guys this year. I think if Beane was to make any kind of splash move in FA or in Trade ahead of the draft, odds are higher it would be at RB, CB, DT, or DE than say WR. Then again, you never know with Beane, just my personal opinion of what I think he will do this year.

Here is what I know, 100% without a shadow of a doubt. Anyone who says Allen sucked his rookie year 100% did NOT watch him actually play his rookie year. Allen had some big moments in his rookie year, things that made you think this kid has something special in him. But most importantly, Allen looked like a completely different QB after he returned from injury, which also showed a big jump in development in a short window. As soon as I see anyone suggest he was terrible his rookie year, I immediately know this is not someone whose football opinion is worth hearing. They are more interested in confirmation bias conclusions than actual analysis of real play on the field.

Seasoned veterans who have already got paid like Cooper, OBJ, etc are not in the same situation as Kirk. Kirk has only made about $6M over 4 years, which means he is banking maybe half that at best. So he has made an average of like $400,000 to $500,000 a year so far over 4 years in his actual bank account. And that is before he spends any of that money to live. So we are talking about a 5th year WR, who has been behind legends like Fitz and Hopkins his whole career. He finally got a chance to be a focal point this year after Hopkins went down and he had his best year yet in a contract year. This may be his ONLY shot to get a big payday and set him and his family up for life. The market is reportedly red hot for him, so lets assume that is true. Why would he turn down say a 4 year deal at $12M per year for $48M to sign say in Buffalo for just over half that (the person I replied to suggested sign here for $7M per year)? I mean he could get hurt and derail his career, he may not get another shot at setting himself up for life after football. Now add in this complication...in Buffalo, statistically he is a role player, not a feature player. Even with our #2 WR hurt most the year in 2020, Allen put up an MVP level year and we still only had 1 WR go over 1000 yards. In 2021, all the numbers were significantly down individually with everyone healthy because we spread the ball around so much, and again only had 1 guy over 1000 and no one else even close despite a prolific passing offense. So if Kirk did sign here for a lot less money, barring injuries, he will likely continue to be a 500-700 yard guy with the way we spread the ball around as we have too many mouths to feed, plus Allens running also impacts that. So when he is 28 or 29 and again a FA, he will be fielding a resume of a role player statistically and likely looking at another mid tier role player size contract. However if he was to sign somewhere as a focal point now, if he continues to improve and excel, then in 3 or 4 years he can sign a big extension or another big FA contract. So signing here isn't just taking less money now, its potentially meaning taking less money on his next and last shot at a big deal too before he turns 30. To expect someone to give up that much earning potential between now and that contract is unreasonable expectation in my book, especially for a kid who has made peanuts in NFL standards thus far in his career. So unless the market is shockingly low on Kirk, which all reports greatly suggest the opposite, I can't see him foregoing all that money now and potentially again on his next deal. We aren't the only contender in town, he can still sign with another good team with a good QB and get still paid too. Its not like we represent his only shot at a SB.

I think then you will be surprised to see the market for Kirk. He certainly wont be a "3rd tier" FA WR, and will widely seen as one of the better FA WR's on the market this year.

$7M a year? I can't see Kirk signing anywhere for just $7M a year, he will be at or above double digits IMHO, and the market is already said to be red hot for him. Kirk will most likely get over $10M and wouldn't surprise me to see someone give him as much as $14M a year if there is a bidding war for his services with multiple suitors trying to sign him. Translation: He won't be a Buffalo Bill in 2022. We won't be shelling that kind of money out to the WR position this offseason, especially with a deep WR class this year. Not to mention we still have Diggs and Davis for sure here this year. Bills will land another affordable vet and draft one or two guys is my prediction.

If you want to draft Davis to help our run defense and eat space, great, that is what his film suggests he will be. Someone who can replace Star at some point either this year or next. If you are obsessing over his 40 time as if that means he will be some QB sack specialist at the next level, then I question how much you understand the DT position and what makes them most effective, because 40 time isn't nearly as important as some other traits. Anyone who says a player will do this or that at the next level before stepping on the field is a fool, and I am no fool. So I am not going to say he can't be coached up to get to the QB a lot more than he did in college. However, I will say that its not common to see a guy come into the NFL and start excelling at something he didn't excel at in college. Especially one whose played for a big time program and high quality coaches. Better approach with Davis is to assume he will help your run D and eat some space, anything else would be a bonus. You want a run stuffing space eater, then makes sense to draft him. You want a penetrating DT like Donald, then odds are not great that is what you are getting because that is not what his film suggests, even with that straight line speed (something a DT rarely uses). Personally I see him going anywhere from mid first to early second, which is where he was slated before his 40 time. I just don't think the 40 time changes much for him, it sure doesn't show up on his film.

I have no doubt Beane will take what he feels is this BPA, but people also have to keep in mind that BPA has some need baked into it. And Beane has said in the past where the draft is deep at in terms of position can play a factor in close decisions. But I have nothing against taking a WR in the first either. Just think if the right CB or DT is there, they may be higher on his board.

I think Jameson Williams could be the pick at 25, if he lasts to that. But I also think its more likely we go DT or CB in the first if there is a guy they covet there with how deep WR is in this draft.

I will take your word for it since it doesn't seem far fetched to me really. And I dont really see the point to pile on you over it either like others are. And mainly because I met Levi Wallace's 4 college best friends at the home opener as we sat next to them and we hit it off and still keep in touch on instagram. And they have said multiple times to me that Levi loves Buffalo and that he absolutely wants to stay in Buffalo. Of course, that doesn't mean he will, just means that is what he prefers, I am sure it still depends on what McD and Beane want, would offer, and what other teams offer...but heading into the offseason they said he wants to stay. And I have no reason to doubt them. So your story doesn't seem far fetched to me as its not unusual for friends of players to boast they are friends of players. Happens all the time, not sure why so many think this is such a crazy concept. Not saying this is true or not...but I am sure he has a Buffalo best friend, he has been there a while. This assumption he can only have a best friend elsewhere is a silly assumption.

Im not against drafting him, but I don't know why people think he will suddenly do this to one of the best and most athletic QB's in the NFL like Mahomes when he didn't do this in college. He seems to be more of a Star replacement as a space eater and run stuffer than someone who is gonna get at the QB. Running fast and playing fast are not the same thing, makes me wonder why that speed isn't reflected more in his college production and resume.

This is just someone who knows it will get clicks and throws out his own speculation. OBD is a tight lipped ship, I seriously doubt there is any real insider leaking this knowledge of a splash move. Is it possible...sure, but just saying I doubt there is anything of real substance to this alleged rumor.

In a division with top end QBs of Mahomes and Herbert, do they really want to commit to a mid tier QB is their dilemma. Personally I think Carr is good enough to keep, but only up to a certain price. He can’t carry a lesser team, so you need more cap flexibility to improve rest of roster more if you’re gonna commit to him and want to compete to win division. I suspect he’s gonna get over paid though either by them or other teams.

They never should have even if they wouldn’t have gotten Lamb. That contract was grossly too big for him. Terrible contract from the moment he signed it IMHO

Agreed…People under estimate his value here.

It was Cole’s team that requested permission to seek a trade according to reports on Twitter.

I’m not surprised, even though I prefer he stay. We need to free some cap space up somewhere. I still think it’s plausible he winds up with the Giants given he comes off the books next year and he knows Dabolls offense and can be a safety bal let for whoever plays QB for them this year.

Beast. Next season can’t get here fast enough.

Id be interested considering it would likely take very little to acquire him. I liked him coming out of college and Kirk has played a lot of slot for AZ, so thats contributed too in his lack of touches.

Yes. But depends on price, we got a lot of other holes and TE isn't one of them.

Well, you do realize there is a massive difference in rushing in a Daniel Jones led offense with the worst OL in football and running in a top 3 offense led by Josh Allen right? This is not an equal comparison. For example: Priest Holmes was a meh back for the Ravens, but he became other worldly the second he stepped onto the field as a Kansas City Chief. So no disrespect bud, but this isn't a good argument here just because it's not remotely close to equal situations for both running backs.

Fitz is an awesome dude, but I want no part of this. I don’t think he has much left in the tank.

I dont disagree to limit your risk exposure. I think Moss and a 5th...or if they have cap concerns, do Beasley and a 5th because then the contracts almost cancel each other out in terms of the cap hit.

A torn ACL isn't somethig guys commonly come back to 100% in their first year back. Often its not until the next season do they start to regain their full form again. I wouldn't write Barkley off yet.