Alphadawg7

Stop using all this logic and facts. It interferes with the base less, fact less, and pointless whining for the sake of whining around here.

So why don’t the fans trust the front office knowing more than them that just turned a 2 decade losing franchise into a perennial playoff team and SB contender with probably the best roster in the NFL? Had they listened to the fans, Josh Rosen would have been our QB and we wouldn’t have Diggs or Tre White. And let’s be real, not only is this the best shot at a SB for the Bills in nearly 30 years, it might be the best shot in franchise history. Those SB teams played in a weak AFC where the truly elite teams were in the NFC. Now, AFC is the powerhouse side and we are arguably the best team In the AFC with no team in the NFC really being that scary to meet in the SB. So people should realize by now, our FO knows what they are doing.

I think Stevenson is penciled in at this point, but not in pen obviously. His ability to return kicks isn't really something someone else is threatening to take away from him as we sit today, although lot of drafting still to come that could bring in competition for that. I don't think they plan to use McKenzie as a returner this year, although I thought he did a pretty good job last year at it.

Want to know what the dumbest thing anyone can say about any draft pick? We only got the "X" best player at "X" position. That is such a ridiculous statement to make on draft night. Take WR for example, 7 of the top 10 WR's were NOT taken in the first round, were NOT close to being the first couple WRs taken in their respective drafts. This includes our own Diggs, Adams, Kupp, Hill, etc. Prospects are graded, and what can separate a guy from going first round and third round can be splitting hairs in some cases, teams passing over other needs or players at other positions sliding, etc etc.. There are a certain amount of players coming out every year at each position, and people have to arbitrarily rank them, and EVERYONE ranks them DIFFERENT, and mocks drafts are pre draft rankings are never remotely accurate...literally never. For any poster to sit here and complain well now we have to settle for the "Xth best WR" (or whatever position) on the board is being foolish. You have no idea how good or not that player will be at the next level. Nobody knows how these guys will pan out, and every team looks at them differently for their own systems, fit, and style of play...not to mention people range in grading skills across the NFL too. The draft is entirely about finding value, and truly successful NFL teams are ones who build their teams in the middle rounds, thats what separates teams who win consistently or not. And the best part...our FO took a perennial losing franchise for almost 2 decades and got them immediately in the playoffs and are now not just a playoff team, but probably the best roster in the NFL and a major SB favorite with a perennial MVP candidate on the roster.

People need to move on man. Seriously, all this whining over a 4th round pick used to get the best player on Beanes board is approaching "Wrong Josh" levels...or "We way overpaid for Diggs" levels. I mean seriously, all this same nonsense happened when we traded for Diggs and people lost their minds over that extra 4th that was included. Then Diggs shut you all up. Just like Josh Allen shut you all up. Just like Tre White shut you all up when you freaked out we traded down and took him. You would think people would learn after being wrong so many times about these freak outs to trust the fact they don't know a fraction of what our Front Office does and that pissing and moaning to know end after a pick or trade is unbelievably premature and pretty pointless. Bottom line, he was the only player on Beanes board worthy of a first round selection, so he went and got him. Everything about this kid is exciting from his speed, size, skills, and most importantly his apparent work ethic and commitment to being the best he can be from all we have seen and heard from him so far. So make it stop already...move on, who cares about this stupid 4th round pick if Elam becomes a high end corner opposite Tre for years to come. And don't think I didn't notice many of the people freaking out in the Elam thread are literally some of the same people who ironically spent the past 3 years complaining about Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson and how we needed a better corner too.

Good post, nice to see people come back and look at it rationally even if they initially were not on board. Also keep in mind, the trade up wasn’t just to get ahead of Dallas (although both Balt and Dal were capable of taking a corner there), but the first round had trades firing left and right. And everyone and their mom knew Buffalo really needed a corner. So if anyone wanted a corner, they would need to trade ahead of us to get one. Our trade up was about making sure someone didn’t move ahead of us to take him. You know how I feel, I love the pick. I personally thought it would be Booth as I thought he seemed more like a McD style fit, but I also loved Elam. We got size and speed with him, and the 2020 version of him would have made him probably the a top 15 pick. But 2021 they struggled as a team overall and he battled through a knee injury so he had a slightly lesser year as a result (although still very good). This kid seems dedicated to being great too from what I have read about him so far too. He seems like the kind of player we will help develop to his full potential, and having him and Tre on opposite sides for the next several years might become the best tandem in the league if he does.

Have fun wining 5 games at his year and battling NE for last place

Im all for getting Allen more help too, just saying this notion that the defenses can’t stop elite QBs and offenses no matter what is just not accurate at all.

How can you not be excited about this kid?

You sure think a lot of things you literally just made up in your head

Ok you deserve kudos, this got me laughing hahaha

I love it and hilarious to see pats fan melting down and McVay laughing at them. But…if I’m BB I am tweeting a pic of the SB ring I got holding McVays offense to 3 points in the SB.

What team do you scout for? Cuz you seem to know where Elam was graded, so let me know who you scout grades for. Thanks I’ll wait.

This is ridiculous and fact less. Ask KC about that. Bucs D crushed them in the SB. Bengals D bounced them a week after they dropped 42 on us this year. Ask the high scoring Cowboys and MVP led Packers about getting bounced by Niners Defense this year. Ask the vaunted Rams offense that scored 3 points in the SB. Ask Denver, the highest scoring offense in NFL history about getting smashed by Seattles D in the SB 43-8 Ask the Patriots former highest scoring offense in the NFL about losing to the Giants D while only scoring 19 points. I mean I can keep going about this, and I’ve told you this before, but you keep saying this same fact less and baseless claim over and over again. Wasn’t true then, still not true now.

This is such a terrible take. Except you have literally no idea if that is true at all. You 100% just made that up. You’ve decided in your mind they preferred McDuffie when you literally have no idea which CB they preferred. In fact the CB they were linked a lot more to was Booth who is still available. I don’t know why people just make things up to sell an agenda.

Keep an eye on Troy Anderson

This thread gets funnier by the minute. Reminds me of the "Wrong Josh" melt downs. Reminds me of the "Tre White" melt downs. Reminds me of TSW really...lmao. This pick is a great pick, love it and exactly what we needed. PS: Offense Averaged 41.5 points per game in the playoffs. Defense gave up 42 to send us home including 3 scores in final 3 minutes of the game. PPS: Whining about a 4th round pick is even sillier. We got the guy they wanted, thats all that matters. And Beane knows more about evaluating football players than this whole forum combined. Great job Beane, can't wait until tomorrow.

And you ain't an NFL Scout. Not by a country mile. So theres that too sport 😉

This thread is hilarious. Cant wait to pull this up again in a year or two and laugh at all the ridiculous melt downs. Its priceless. So many absolutely ridiculous hot takes.

People need to let the trade of the 4th pick go...geezus, they went and got their guy. They know CB"s, so just be excited for the pick. Who cares about the 4th if it got us another shut down corner to play opposite Tre for the next 4 to 5 years.

I LOVE THE PICK! I thought they would go Booth over him, but this kid was unreal before he got hurt. We needed this, and if Beane traded up I am assuming he felt so strongly about him he didnt want to risk someone else moving ahead of us to take him given we CB was a pretty obvious choice for us at 25. I don't care about the fourth as long as they got the guy they coveted. Now gonna be interesting to see what we do in the 2nd, wouldn't surprise me to see us trade up again at some point in this draft.

I’ve seen more productive, faster RBs at big schools come in the NFL and get no where near the YPC Devin has. There are guys right now in the NFL that meet that description in fact. So sorry, all your claims here are just unsubstantiated by facts or logic, and purely speculative opinion. And hey, that’s 100% ok to have that opinion, but I would encourage you to abandon this quest to push that it comes from sort of statistical analysis or facts. Because your reasoning isn’t making sense on all these proclamations and conclusions of his (alleged) nearly certain future success.

Yeah this is what I think is going to happen too. I think if he doesn’t trade up, he probably trades down instead of picking at 25 unless one of those first round graded players slips to him.

This. I think people grossly over look the fact that our intentions are pretty much never known and what rumors do get out there never seem accurate. Everything I have seen and read suggests Greg was their number 1 target entering the draft and even considered moving up for him but it was determined to be too costly. Beane said multiple times after the draft that they went him zeroed in on improving the pass rush. Draft day footage of days 1 and 2 show them anxiously awaiting both Greg and Boogie to get to them. IMHO the interest in Etinenne definitely has a possibility to have been a smoke screen. Smoke screen potentially could get a team to trade up in front of you to get said player, but also prevents a team behind you to try and get in front of you for the player you really want if they don’t think you’re interested. Best way to disguise a smoke screen is to legit meet with and express interest directly to the player and let them leak that out. This year, Bills have met with all the top WR’s and Hall. They have met with very little other first round potential targets. Makes me wonder if our primary won’t be offense in the first and likely a defensive back such as Hamilton, Hill, Stingley, Booth, etc all depending on if we stand pat or move up. That being said, the one known proven thing about Beane is that he will stay true to his board and go BPA. So if the guys they hope will be there are gone, he won’t reach for another at the same position. So obviously anything is in play at 25, especially given how hard to predict this years draft is given the lack of QB clarity on where they will go and how many will go ahead of our pick.

More information clearly showing that Edmunds is not remotely close to the bad player half this board screams that he is. I have said it 100 times now, the vast majority of what fans here hate about Edmunds has less to do with Edmunds the player as it does with how we use Edmunds a lot of the time. Which is often like a 3rd shallow safety out there utilizing and trusting his athleticism to get back to the ball after dropping back on the snap. Edmunds is also 5th in total tackles since entering the NFL, and thats taking into consideration he played hurt most of 2020.