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I agree, we are certainly SB contenders...but Allen is far from a "lock" for MVP. He is, and should be, the betting favorite and front runner right now, but its a narrow lead. But any hiccup and he will fall back behind again on any given week.

To beat the Lions we are going to need to win in the trenches

Its criminal how McD is not getting COY consideration, and he has been screwed twice before too. Campbell a heavy fave over him is a joke, they are doing what was expected of them while McD and the Bills are grossly outperforming expectations and with a lot of injuries too. Tomlin deserves his consideration, but what is wild is that he deserves it for a lot of the same reasons McD deserves it, yet one is +300 and the other is +2500. More wild is McD has dealt with more adversity through injuries thus far too and is playing a tougher schedule.

Again, I said it wasn't about draft compensation but you keep bringing up draft compensation. Really no reason to keep discussing a what if scenario that didn't happen in the first place.

SHOCKER! **said no one ever**

It wasn't about the draft compensation, it was what they were owed the rest of the season. He was never trading for Hopkins or Adams (unless Raiders were eating his contract, which they weren't). I will give you Diontae though as possibility as Carolina gave him away for free eating his salary for just a 17 pick improvement in a later round pick swap. But I was never sold Beane would have been interested in DJ from a character standpoint or fit.

It was maybe his best game as a Bill

I didn't spin anything, and I didn't say it was just because it was "convenient". But, I 100% guarantee you that if Cleveland does not agree to the Cooper deal then Beane doesn't make a trade for any of the other guys who were traded. Beane himself even discussed how Coopers contract made it possible for them to pursue him, and its why they were the ones pursuing Cooper from Cleveland who was initially not interested in shopping or trading him.

Houston had one problem - Josh Allen. Was his worst game since maybe his first start as a rookie. The opportunities were there, he was just off most the game in a big way. I think maybe the Diggs thing just got into his head more than he wanted to let happen and he just couldn't find his rhythm and was pressing too much. Balt I think was more it was a short week for us, we had injuries, we had been rolling and went into a hostile environment where they were in about as close to a must win game Balt could be in that early in the season. Just one of those games, and I am sure the Henry big run to start just kind of set them back on their heals a bit.

Still you are making this about Keon being the guy or not though, and it wasn't. Many people, and I would say you too, spoke about and criticized Beane and the WR group as if Beane was totally done at WR. It was never he was done, it was we had $31M in dead money at WR, and he had an entire roster to fill out in what was a transition year. Beane has also repeatedly said there will never be a year they are "not" trying to win it all. When the team showed it had a legitimate chance to compete for a SB this year and that coincided with an affordable veteran coming available, he was obviously going to be interested. And a major reason we made the move for Cooper was because of his contract at that point in the season too. So no, I don't agree that the situation was similar with KC and us. KC had a slew of injuries, doesn't matter how good or bad Worthy was, they needed to make a move to get another healthy quality player as they were back to using a bum like Skyy Moore the week before DHop. And in Buffalo, it wasn't that Keon had not become the man, it was that Beane saw an opportunity to add to our team under our current cap situation that could help this team compete for a SB this season.

I wasn't trying to make it sound like it was all everyone elses fault. I am saying its pretty evident Allen isn't looking at him much as there have been a number of times Samuel was open and Allen went somewhere less optimal. They also did use Samuel more aggressively yesterday too. So will we continue to see Samuel used in similar fashion moving forward is part of the equation, and a bigger part of the equation IMHO. Or was his usage more a just a function of who was not on the field this week.

I think the better question is are they going to continue to use him like they did last night and will Allen also look his way to give him more opportunities. Honestly, Allen was not having that great of a game even though he ended in an epic way that was like an MVP type moment. On the INT, he had Samuel down field for an easy walk in TD who had 10 yards separation on the defender and Allen didn't even see him. There were other plays where there were opportunities that could have been seized with Samuel and Allen just didn't make it happen. Allen has left a lot out on the field this year. Luckily he is so good that he has done enough most games to mask or make up for that. But come playoff time, we need him to be better and maximize those opportunities. Too often he makes a poor decision, poor throw to a wide open guy, or just flat out doesn't see open windows. Many of those were drive killing moments or moments we could have added points but didn't. If we are going to win a SB this year, we need Allen to clean more of that up. Best part is Allen knows it, he owned it on the field right after the game stating he had several balls he wish he had back. I am massive Allen fan, so don't get it twisted, I love Allen and think is unquestionably right there with Mahomes for best in the league. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have to do some things better either or clean some things up.

I said it heading into the playoff game...said it during...and said it after. We were in trouble with no LB's because a major strength of KC was not only attacking weak spots in a defense, but attacking our LB's. I was convinced after that game that if just one...not even both...just one of Bernard or Milano had been healthy we would have won that game. I am even more convinced today than I was then.

KC traded for a DHop because they had no WR's left and Worthy isn't a lead WR player and wasn't drafted to be one in the first place. Buffalo was never done at WR despite so many freakouts this offseason as if we were. MVS and Samuel were providing nothing, and Shakir getting hurt showed we were an injury away from real struggles. It was not a reactionary move directly relating to Keon not being "the man" yet, who by the way had already started to show plenty of potential before the trade. And 100% of Keons production in Coopers first game was while Cooper was on the sidelines. For you to try and pin the move on it somehow being tied to Keon and some failure to be "the man" is just inaccurate IMHO. Especially since no one with the Bills drafted Keon with the expectation he would rise to be "the man" WR1 as a rookie.

I agree, he wasn't drafted to be a WR1 in KC...we were on the other hand looking for a WR with WR1 type potential. Worthy was never a logical choice for the Bills while he made a lot of sense for a team like KC, Dallas, etc. Not only will Worthy potentially struggle to stay on the field, he is also going to struggle in phsyical games and games when the weather negates his speed too. But he will make plays in KC, he has an elite QB and a creative offensive mind in Reid. But, Worthy was never someone who should have been our pick.

Worthy is never going to be what some people around here want him to be so they can be right about their outrage on draft night. Its as simple as that. He is fast and plays with Mahomes and Reid...so he will have opportunities to make some plays. But the odds he was ever going to be a WR1 type player are as low now as they were prior to the draft. It was funny watching the Worthy trolls puff up in the first half then shutup in the 2nd. Its as predictable as the sun setting around here. Even seeing some comments here about how we "got lucky" he didn't get that other foot down or he would have had 100 yards. Silly argument all around...reminds me about all the McKenzie defenders spouting off about his 11 catch game against the Pats as if that wasn't more an anomaly than a regular occurrence.

No.

Calling it now: They are going to extend Shakir this offseason. WR price tags got a bit ridiculous the Christian Kirk year, that also included a silly Zay Jones contract the same year by the same hapless team. But, they have gotten a bit more grounded since then outside the elite top tier guys. With how much we spread the ball around, Cooper here now, and Keon and Kincaid back soon, and Shakir having missed a game, he likely finishes right where I said he would between 900-1100 yards. But, it does NOT really matter where he finishes at this point. They are not going to extend him based on season totals. They are going to extend him because he is literally the perfect piece for Josh, this offense, this locker room, and this team. You won't find a coach or player who doesn't gush about him, not only as a player, but as a person and locker room guy. And when they gush about him as a player, its not about how many yards he gets, its about how he is a COMPLETE player on the field at all times. How he finishes plays always near the ball, playing the right way, and so selfless. Most importantly how he is the most reliable, dependable, and consistent player on this team. Shakir and his wife seem to love and embrace Buffalo too...its seems to be mutual. He will have an opportunity to wait until he is a FA and probably get more money, but I think both him and the Bills will be mutually aligned to get a deal done sooner, where maybe its not the "most" money he could have got, but its guaranteed money that is fair to both sides who both want it to happen. He is a physical player, he takes a lot of punishment out there as we saw again this week. He knows an injury in his final year of his already cheap current contract could cost him a lot of money, so taking a deal this offseason for a big raise will certainly be something him and his team will have interest in. Personally, for the reasons I said above, I think he gets his deal this offseason and it will probably be something like 3 years and $50-$55M with $30M guaranteed or something like that.

Shhhhhh...I read on here Beane sucks, doesn't know how to build a team, and can't draft.

W O W 🤯

Allen has missed way too many throws and opportunities today

That bass missed XP is looming large

Allen could have several big plays to Samuel including a walk in TD on the INT he threw today. Just a matter of time before Allen hopefully starts seeing him and connecting more

Ha that is awesome and hope it sticks

@FireChans you still not want to resign Shakir?