Alphadawg7

Agreed, look at her lawyers tweets...he tries every case in the court of public opinion, its literally his primary tactic. I still don't understand why her attorney was so foolish to file the civil suit before Matt was further into a better financial situation. His job is to get as much money as he can for his client, so the timing seems like a poor decision for what was in the best interest of his client. And based on these two idiot lawyers pissing competition in text and social media, it almost seems like he was reacting to that more than making the best choices for his client. Both these idiot lawyers are not doing anything positive for the images of their respective professions as a whole.

I will admit, I immediately felt bad for Barkley as a person when we traded for Keenum. He and Josh are close, the team loves him, he loves being here. He is a fun guy and good energy on the team. But, end of the day, it is really hard to imagine or even justify keeping a 3rd QB. And Keenum is just a better QB, so as much as I like the guy, he won't be on the team IMHO. And he clearly loves it here, so feel bad for him, but its the right football decision.

Spot on 👏🙌

No disrespect bud, and really not singling you out on this, but what did you expect them to do? And to be clear, I don't have an exception with your post here, its a good one. I am just asking about the stayed quiet for a bit. Others are really stuck on that, so this reply is more about addressing that staying quiet from the overall thread than your post here. This was a sensitive subject they had no idea that was true or not. They were just accusations, and we live in a country where false accusations are made every day. Heck, let's be real, it so common that our own politicians and media on both sides of the aisle literally lie and make false accusations daily to the entire country. My point really is there were no criminal chargers (still aren't) and there was no civil case (just got filed). A civil attorney, who is someone working to get money for his client, contacted the accused employer to push pressure on Matt that he has something massive to lose here to incentivize a settlement and for the most he can get for his client. Anyone would be reckless to take that at face value, assume guilt, and throw the player under the bus making public statements on something they don't not yet know are credible accusations. Bills not only respected the seriousness of the accusations and victim, but also the seriousness of the accused and working to figure this out behind the scenes before making any decisions or statements. Also, lets not forget these are football coaches and football executives. They are not professional investigators, lawyers, etc...this could not have been, and clearly was not, easy for them to deal with and figure out what the right thing was to do. And there is 0% chance any decision they made would have been seen 100% of all people approve of. Had they just cut him over an accusation from a civil attorney working on a settlement, they would have looked bad to for not giving it a chance to shake out and see if this is credible or not. So people just need to give these guys a break (not really talking to you on that, you seem to be pretty level headed on this whole thing, just saying to the board in general)...they did what they felt was the best they could in a really bad spot. Now lets all move on and get back to football. This is in the rear view mirror and they guys did the right thing.

Isn't there a whole thread to debate Matts guilt or innocence or the merits of the case? TAKE ALL THAT NOISE THERE. Beane, McD, and the Bills organization deserve a heck of a lot more benefit of the doubt here than all these conspiracy nonsense theories that keep getting repeated. To be honest, I find the position of many people here to be both disappointing and disturbing. Stop trying to negatively sensationalize the situation into something twisted to fuel your interest in tearing down the character of this regime. It's 100% misguided. Bills, McD, and Beane handled this incredibly well respecting the fact these were accusations...not criminal chargers, nor a civil case yet...when they were made aware of them by a civil attorney looking for money for his client. At the same time, taking them very serious and working behind the scenes to try and get enough info to figure out if this is a credible accusation and moving towards a real case. Once it progressed into a filed case, their inability to get enough of the things they tried to get, making it seemingly impossible for them to determine any truth or prove the version Matt told them, they had no choice to cut him and move on. And once the situation escalated into an actual filed civil suit, they immediately pulled him from the game, practices, etc and cut him the next day after the game. And not only that, they did not run or hide from this. McD sat up there after the game and immediately went into this and repeatedly said no football questions, all we are going to talk about is this because its bigger than football. Most coaches would not have even taken questions on it, let alone the entirety or the press conference. Then the next day, Beane and McD again sat out there for over 25 minutes taking questions, even stupid and repetitive ones, without hesitation and disclosing as much as they could considering its an ongoing case as of now. Most teams would have just had a GM release a statement, a controlled short video or interview. Or if they had the courage to take questions, would have done a few questions and then moved on. These guys are a total class act and never hide or shy away in moments like this. And honestly, if you cant see that then I don't know what to tell you. Too many people in this society want to turn everything into the negative way they view the world. And with McD and Beane...you are way off the mark.

Except you're wrong, so there's that too.

Well to be fair, accusations and lawsuit threats more often than not don't move forward. Its one thing to threaten a civil suit to induce a settlement, its another to actually file it. And the fact the civil attorney contacted a football team is reason enough for a red flag because they have no involvement or relation to the suit. Its a clear tactic to shake the tree and ruffle the leaves to try and get Matt scared and come to the settlement table with a big checkbook. The attorney has openly admitted to trying to settle this without it coming out for money. Yeah but her journal directly contradicts her civil suit and claims. In her own hand writing, she writes the day after the assault and again in the days following she doesn't know who took her to the room or who was in the room. Yet in the civil suit the attorney filed, it magically states it was Matt and he was in the room. Not to mention, there are other sworn statements by eyewitnesses that say Matt wasn't there at the time of the assault. So point is...a civil suit is one side of the story, the side of the story that is in pursuit of money from the accused and is always going to be embellished to their bias. And if Bills were getting Matts side, the info in the civil suit, conflicting accounts in her journal, conflicting info from witness statements, etc...its no wonder they would have taken pause to see what was shaping up to be truth before rushing to a judgement. I recommend people watch the press conference because they cover all of this. In fact, they were asked this questions multiple times, and gave thorough answers each time. Prior to the civil suit...it was just an accusation which is drastically different than an actual criminal case or civil suit. The Bills at that time, while knowing this is serious, still don't know if it will actually go to a civil suit, are her accusations substantiated by any evidence, is this a jaded ex doing a money grab, or is this player a monster that no one realized. There is a lot that is not known at the stage of just being accused. Beane said this verbatim too...there were no criminal chargers, and still are none. There was no civil suit. It was an accusation only, and one they took serious, but also wanted to see what they could find out before making decisions. They went further and said we are just a GM and football coach, there were things they were trying to get their hands on, but were not able to. And without that, there was nothing they could really do anymore to determine the truth. And with the filing of the civil suit, they had no choice here but to cut him and let him go deal with this.

Josh and Davis showing the KC game was just the beginning all camp long and the one brief drive stands out and hasn't been mentioned yet. But I get, its more about the lesser knows...best of the preseason has to be Shakir who really had about as good a camp and preseason you could ask for in a rookie WR. Like others have said, both young corners showed a lot of potential. I know he won't get mentioned because he got a little dinged up, but I really liked what I saw from Tim Settle early and in camp. I said it when we signed him, I think he could be one of those over under the radar moves that really pans out. I do also think Shaq, especially in this last game, really went from unlikely to make the team, to making a case to stick around. I am not sold he still does, we are just deep at DE, but his last game he was a stand out against Car starters.

No disrespect, but this is my point. People keep posting stuff like this that is inaccurate. Your post here is not accurate, its not your fault, but its not correct. Your outrage is being guided at incorrect info.

People need to stop with the predraft stuff, its been overwhelmingly confirmed that it was not known predraft by the Bills, the NFL, or other teams. This is the stuff that drives me crazy...no disrespect Dingus, I really mean no disrespect. But people keep saying things like this that cause false information to persist. I get you may not have been privy yet to these facts, but its a dead issue...no one knew before the draft, and according to Beane neither Matt or his agent even knew until this summer about it or the potential civil case. And that is because the criminal case had not even gotten started yet, so there had been no authorities or anyone contacting Matt either prior to the civil matter getting started.

100%. Class act all the way. Not just today, but even not rushing to judgement on Matt and trying to find out facts recognizing this was an accusation prior to this. I completely applaud everything they have done in the handling of this. Even how McD handled the post game PC refusing to talk football and only talk about this because this is bigger than a game. Beane and McD handling of the press conference too was all class act despite some sleezy attempts by reporters to force narratives to try and paint a bad picture for click bait headlines. Proud this is the team I am a massive fan of.

Geezus, they keep asking the same questions they already answered, some they have answered several times. There is a female reporter who has asked the same question 3 times now. Literally several people asking the same questions over again...despite always the same thorough answer by Beane and McD. These reporters are a joke in this PC 100% agree on all accounts

Not this one.

Watching the press conference...god I hate sleezy reporters. They are asking Beane such stupid questions. They are just trying to get a click bait sound bite, its disgusting. Going out of their to just try and make them look bad and look for the shock and awe moments they can create. F THEM Thank god we have Beane and McD who don't bite and are as a class act as they get.

Her lawyer warned him of that because he was using the opportunity to prevent the civil suit as leverage to both get a settlement and the most from it. Here is what I find interesting...why is her attorney ONLY attacking Matt and his attorney? Where are all the public attacks aimed at the other men who allegedly were the ones physically hurting her and gang raping her? Why isn't he in going after any of them who may have had a bigger role, or even the only roles in this...yet nothing. Answer: They can't pay his client, or himself, any money. So, not one word about them from him. On the other side...Matt's attorney is clearly quick to the cameras and seems to be wanting the publicity. Neither of these guys are doing much for the overall image of lawyers/attorneys.

I am rooting for Hodgins too, but ultimately he is averaging under 9 yards per catch through 3 games while leading the team in targets and receptions and facing backups and guys who won't make rosters. Yeah, some of his catches have been pretty, but a WR avg under 9 yards per catch isn't exactly making a case to be kept above all other factors. He certainly has a chance to make this team, but if he does, it will because they feel good about what he can contribute on ST because that will absolutely be his primary role. Like I have said in other threads/posts...no one past WR 4 on the depth chart has had any relevant production the past 2 seasons while fielding the #1 offense in the AFC. So WR6 better be able to play ST or they won't make the team. I like Hodgins, so I hope he showed enough on ST, otherwise he won't make the final 53...and Beane has not only recently stated that, but also had that stance (as do all coaches) about the deeper bench players. Its why its a well known fact that young players stuck behind guys on the roster need to win a role on ST if they want to assure themselves a roster spot.

I think all of this is a very plausible scenario.

You guys are not alone, I have firmly been of the same mindset this entire thing. You have to keep a level head at times like this. I see a lot of outrage here often posting about things that are not actually factual or accurate. That is what always happens with outrage though, the story takes on a life of its own and gets skewed. Not everyone is doing that, but its been prevalent in this thread. Keeping a level ahead, respecting the victim, and waiting to hear more to understand how Matt may or may not be connected to the attack is where I prefer to be. I have no doubt this woman's accusation of being sexually assault is credible, all of it seems very credible and I do not personally doubt it happened. But I have reservations that Matt participated because there is reportedly things such as eyewitness sworn statements that contradict the plaintiffs claim he was involved. Totally agreed, you can respect her and the tragic event and still be undecided if he is accurately being named or not as a participant. And the actions of her lawyer are really puzzling too. I mean he posted that full page rant about justifying trying this case in the court of public opinion, which he always does on his cases if you look at his twitter. And why does he do that, because he is civil attorney whose only job is to obtain the most money for his client. So he is using public pressure to try and force a settlement and at the highest amount he can. But what I found really bizarre is her attorney posting the screen shots of text messages proving he was pushing for a cash settlement, and threatening Matts lawyer to do so or else, and also messaging both Matt and the Bills direct, something he really had no business doing other than to apply pressure to Matt to pay them. Then the lawyer also posts her private journal pages from the day after the attack and the days following which completely contradict his own civil suit filing. She repeatedly writes she does not know who took her to the room or who was in the room. But in the civil suit, they suddenly know every detail, exactly who took her there (claims Matt) and exactly who was in the room assaulting her (Matt and the 2 other football players). Even more odd, the number of attackers has not even been consistent, where I have seen it referenced as 3, 4, and 5 attackers. None of this means the victim is lying about the event, but none the less, it shows contradiction between the victims direct account the day after and days following with the civil attorneys filing of what he is saying happened 10 months later. And it may be accurate, but I don't know why any attorney would put info out there that would put into question the version of events they are claiming in a case.

Honestly, while that all makes sense...I don't think there was any scenario Matt played last night. Lets say Matt was in good spirits and really wanted to play, I still do not see McD allowing that to happen. McD is 100% about the game is just a game, life is bigger than football, and he is absolutely sincere in that. McD felt the right decision was for him not to play because he knows the players in that locker room also are confused and don't have all the info, fans are hurting and confused, and all the families involved are as well. There was just no way McD was going to let him on the field while so much was still unknown. Maybe he lets him play if some news broke that strongly helped Matt's case, but that had not occurred yet and still has not. Under the circumstances of yesterday of what limited info was known, there was just no way that the high character of McD who values life more than the game was going to let him being on the field cause more hurt or confusion to anyone affected by this story.

I will be honest...I don't really care. Matt was exciting because he could do stuff other punters could not. Remove him, and well, I don't really care because any punter we bring in likely won't be any worse than Haack was last year. So it Matt is cut, and that looks probable at this point, then I am going to back to not really caring who the punter is, just as long as it wasn't Haack, who sucks. Although, I reserve the right to yell "We need to draft a punter" when that inevitable first shank comes though 😂

I think you are misreading what has been said. First, I think I can say confidently that really no one is questioning that she was attacked, that all seems credible and tragic. But, the question is did Matt have any involvement with the attack either as someone who helped facilitate it by taking her to them or participating in the actual attack. The word consensual is being used strictly in regard to the information out there that seems to point to a private encounter involving only Matt and the victim outside the house, where by all accounts so far, seems to have been non forceful and both parties willfully participating in it. I get where you are coming from, you are saying its still not consent if she is wasted. But, the issue is, there is a lot we do not know at this time still. We don't know the factual details of what they did or did not do outside the house. We don't know her intoxication level at the time of the first encounter. We know she was wasted, possibly drugged even, when she was being assaulted. But that does not also automatically mean she was in the same state when her and Matt allegedly had a prior encounter earlier in the night. I will say that both sides seem to have in some way acknowledged the prior encounter and it being consensual from what I gathered. Nothing I have seen has the plaintiff accusing Matt of a non consensual assault prior to the actual assault that occurred in the room. So for all practical purposes, until we know any definitive information about the alleged first encounter, consent was presumed because the plaintiff has not stated anything refuting that yet. I think all of us feel horrible for this woman, and no one here that I have seen is "slut shaming" her like you said previously.

Lol thats crazy man

Thats a fair point, and a valid one I agree with. However, my only counter would be that if the politicians and mainstream media on both sides of the aisle had not politicized him, there would not have been much media management moving forward. Like when Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf would sit during the national anthem in the NBA. When it became known in the media, the coverage didn't last long and he was able to keep doing it without being a disruption to the team. But nobody politicized him and people moved on. So, totally agree that your point is valid in the reality of Kaps situation, and that is really why he was blackballed because it was not going to go away. Which is getting back to my initial point of how Watson situation having no political value will just fade once he plays some games. Kap, being politicize by both parties made his case never ending and nobody wanted to touch that.

Thats a bit dramatic lol. I mean a 17 year old hooked up with a college kid, happens every day in every state in this country. Of all the things with this case, this is the least of the concerns. Not like he was 35 years old or something here. Not to mention, there are sworn statements from eyewitnesses stating she said she was 18 and went the local college that had the same name as her HS.

Tell that to all the people who have been falsely accused. Not saying he is or isn't, remember I replied to someone who presumed innocence and reference poor choices made him vulnerable.