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I was hyping one drive, where he made three straight plays to force a 3 and out, I was barely in the shout box. And why does a player in his final year of his contract (who is in line for a significant deal) on a team with multiple personnel decisions looming have a lot to prove? Do you really not know the answer to that question? We don’t exactly have a ton of cap space, every contract we sign will have extra scrutiny from this point on. Oliver has a lot to prove too. Oliver isn’t a slam dunk give him the bag on his next contract either. We don’t have the cap space to just automatically re-up every player based on what their market value will be. And while Edmunds has been valuable here, had some success, made pro bowls, been the captain of the defense…he still had some areas he needed to improve on before we could even consider resigning him based on what the expected market range for him will be. Everyone knows that, whether they are positive or negative on him. No one is delusional on him and thinks he had nothing to prove. Oliver is in the same boat. The only difference with Oliver is he started showing improvement in areas he needed to improve on last year. But he still hasn’t for sure locked down his next contract here and his continued improvement will need to be seen this year as well. And his first game against Rams sure looked like he is headed that way. But again, he is going to have to have a good season if they are going to pay him what the market will likely be for him. And I think Oliver will do just that, but it still has to happen. Again…I find it interesting people felt the need to take exception to a thread giving praise to a player you deserved it for improving his play noticeably to start the season. Especially one who plays a significant role for this team. Oh, and as far as your 5 years comment…he broke out a long time ago, his detractors refuse to admit he isn’t as bad as they exaggerate him to be. Edmunds should have had several threads last year for example praising his play in a game, but instead his detractors posted more negative bias threads to continue their whipping boy agenda. So, this isn’t a player finally showing promise, he’s a multiple pro bowl player who is 5th in the NFL in tackles since entering the league who has been the captain of one of the top ranked defenses. Yes he had some areas of weakness he still needed to improve, but he was not minutely close to as bad as people portray here.

No offense, but what message board have you been on? The only endless threads on here have been the same posters starting practically weekly bashing threads, over exaggerating the negativity, and doing it even on the backs of games he’s played well. And did you even read my posts? Literally said repeatedly it’s just 2 games, he has a lot to prove over the season. No one is crowning him, but heaven forbid we acknowledge improved play of an important player on our favorite team that’s off to a hot start on a major Super Bowl run. I mean what was I thinking? It’s pretty mind blowing when posters here take exception with seeing someone improve, impact the team, and receive praise for that.

I can tell you without looking it up, there have been a substantial amount of successful onside kick recoveries that also result in a score compared to the number of times a team has ever fumbled a kneel down snap that resulted in a turnover and a change in the outcome of a game (which I am not even sure has ever happened in the history of the NFL). There is no reason to do the stat analysis on this one.

For clarification...If I am not mistaken, they needed a first down to kneel all the clock time off and couldn't just kneel down. Otherwise they wouldn't have even handed the ball off at all. BUT...he got that first down and should have just went down there, but instead got the next 2 yards for the TD foolishly.

It tells you that the criticism on him previously has been over the top, including starting threads to thrash after he and the defense had good games last year (which happened a lot). Someone had to break the cycle of people being negative for the sake of being negative. What if I flip that question around on you...What does it tell you that you have to come in to be negative despite seeing vast improvement in his play? Just sayin...

DITTO! Devin yards before contact rate is substantially better than Moss, and Devins yards after contact is better too. This false narrative that Moss is a better short yardage back is factually untrue, and like you, I cringe everytime I see him come in instead of Devin. Devin has better vision, runs with a low center of gravity and powerful legs. He finds creases and hits them fast. Moss just doesn't hit the hole fast enough and doesn't make anyone miss either. He gets his yards based on whether the OL wins up front giving him a wide open lane, or the play goes nowhere. Devin on the other hand can make people miss and find creases and running lanes when needed. So I am 100% with you on this. And honestly, I really like Gilliam, he is a tough player out there and valuable asset to the team beyond the box score. I think he is a better option over Moss on the down and shorts too. Not to mention, Devin or Allen.

Respect to every poster who came in here and acknowledged that they haven't been his biggest supporter previously, but that he has played well and deserving of praise for this season so far. That is all this thread was ever about...being objective and acknowledging he (so far) has upped his game this year despite what ever previous skepticism anyone may have had coming into the season on him as a player. Nothing he has done, or will do, changes what his previous 4 seasons were, so this thread has nothing to do with what anyones previous positive or negative opinion was. And the story isn't done, 2 games don't earn contracts unless your name is Rob Johnson. He has a lot to prove the rest of the season still, but just felt his play has elevated to the point it needed to be acknowledged.

You realize that Moss got all his yards on one late carry right? And that outside that carry he was averaging 2 yards per carry on the season, which includes last week where he led all RB's in total touches right? Not to mention just 3.5 yards per catch and a lost fumble too. Bottom line is...Moss shouldn't be on the field over Devin when Devin isn't even tired from lack of a workload. There is no logical reason for Devin to only have 6 attempts while also giving Moss 3. Devin should have taken all 9 of those. We can spell Devin with Cook and Gilliam if need be, we don't need 5 active RB's per week to handle this minimal rush load. RB's need rhythm, and its already hard to get them that when we are such a passing juggernaught. So why compound that further to divide up 9 carries between two RB's?

I don't care anymore for what, but please trade Moss. It is not his fault, I don't have a lot against him other than he is NOT Devin. The staff insists on taking Devin off the field despite being better, more effective, and barely getting any kind of a workload to put ineffective Moss out there. Just trade him. Get anything back, I don't care. Stop holding the offensive run game back by getting him way too many snaps compared to Devin.

I see this is where all the Edmunds haters have gathered since they can't complain about his actual on field play this season lol. The arguments I am reading here by them wreak of such desperation that it's getting almost comical. Edmunds is off to a great start to the season...my suggestion is just make peace with that and spend the rest of the week relaxed and excited for the next game. You guys remind me of a relapsing drug addict who just needs their fix. You know it's wrong, but no amount of logic matters here...you just need your fix.

I still laugh at all the stupid threads during both the regular season and offseason of the past 2 years of people crapping on these 2 and even wanting them fired. And make no mistake about it, those threads, posts, and comments were as stupid then as they seem now. He ain't the only one.

Good post, but I will refute one thing here...there has been no point in his tenure that McD was ever conservative. It was a myth and narrative forced upon him over the fact his background was defensive. He got a bad rap when he first got here and we had zero playmakers to turn to. But since the day he got here, he has been willing to take chances and been aggressive every season. There have been a few instances where he made the absolutely correct football decision that people turned into a conservative narrative, even when his decision proved correct. But those few instances don't make him conservative, sometimes you have to make a tough call in a specific situation. Doesn't erase all the other times he was aggressive. And since the day Josh got here, he has turned him loose and let him just play his game. And he started trusting Allen and his ability and drive to make a play all the way back in his rookie season where they really started turning Josh loose when he returned from injury. I can honestly say that I have never sat back and watched a single game McD has coached and came away feeling like this guy is conservative.

Honeslty, its just bad play calling. Josh Allen has like a 95% career success rate on QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and 1 or 2 to go. Yet, we rarely run it now, and against Titans, Daboll got cute with the sneak with game on the line and had Josh moving in and out of shotgun making it harder to get his feet set. And if you are not going to sneak it with Allen, at the very least let him drop back and roll out where he can make the play with his arm or make the play with his legs if the pass isn't there. Its also nearly unstoppable. But too often last year, and Monday night we called weird low percentage plays trying to hard to be too cute or catch them off guard. If you have been smacking them in the mouth all game, go out there and smack them in the mouth again, don't get fancy and cute in a gritty a moment like that. Sometimes these coordinators out think themselves and over complicate the situation. Know that your QB is a Sasquatch who can run and throw as good as anyone in the NFL, and use those tools and our weapons around him at their best. ALSO...give the ball to DEVIN more in these spots too and let him run a more traditional run there. He hits the hole fast and finds the smallest creases. He is so much faster to the hole with better vision than Moss, and Devin almost never loses yards and almost always finishes going forward. So unless your OL gets blown up, he has a good chance to find that crease to get that yard.

Great news on Dane, his health is the most important thing. But I see people insisting he will still be out this week, and I am not ready to make that call. If he has any lingering injury, absolutely he will miss this game. But sometimes people go to the hospital more as a precaution than a need. And last night, even after the ambulance took him off the field, the ambulance remained at the stadium a little while. That tells me they realized the worst case scenarios had been avoided even while he was there still in the stadium. Otherwise, that Ambulance would have flew out of that building to get him to immediate care. I've seen injuries look horrific and then miraculously, no major damage was actually endured even though it looked like it was unavoidable. I still think it's very possible he misses this week, but I am just saying it's also not a foregone conclusion yet either until we see really how he is doing throughout the week. But regardless, they will do what is best for Dane, his health, as with any player, is bigger than the one game.

MOSS! We need our BEST RB on the field more, and it's NOT Moss. Devin is better in every aspect of the game, and Cook needs more reps out of the backfield as a runner and receiver. Devin should be touching the ball in the run game at least 10-12 times before we start thinking about other guys getting carries.

We also don't know what his assignment on the play was either.

Don't get my post wrong, I am not suggesting Edmunds has played this good always. I have been critical of him too when it was warranted. However, there have been many times, and I do mean many times, where Edmunds and the D had a very good game and still there was a thread thrashing Edmunds after that game because someone wants to ignore the body of work that game and nit pick a single play to paint a negative narrative. My stance on Edmunds has been simple...he is nowhere near as bad as his harshest distractors like to paint, but still did need to make his presence felt more impactfully on a consistent basis. I will say this though, I do think a part of what the issue has been is how Frazier has used him so much in the past where he felt like a big 3rd safety more than a MLB enforcing in the front 7. Edmunds has felt more like a last line of defense for the DL when they were not winning the LOS in the run game or pass game in years past. This year, he is all over the field playing more aggressive and more as an enforcer. So not only am I seeing a big difference in Edmunds play this year, but also in how he is being used. Edmunds use seems less like a safety net for Fraziers D and more now of an enforcer. Its like Frazier now trusts the front 4 to do their job and doesn't have to rely on Edmunds roaming with his athleticism to mitigate the damage when the DL loses in the trenches. This puts Edmunds in more positions more often to make more of those splash plays, plays closer to the LOS, sacks, etc. So for me, I think it is two fold here. Frazier's retooled DL means he can trust them more allowing him to use more Edmunds more as an aggressor/enforcer and less as a last line of defense, and then Edmunds is responding and rising to the occasion...at least so far through 2 games. It's a long season, so we will see how this plays out moving forward. But I am liking what I am seeing and this is what I wanted to see Frazier start to do with Edmunds for the past few years.

LMAO…yes he declined a little…but “declined severely” is a total over exaggeration.

I’m not worried. It wasn’t a good first showing, but he was turning heads all camp. It was his first NFL game and on primetime. Maybe nerves just had him a bit. Not everyone steps on the field the fist time and thrives. Allens first outing was not good. People want to analyze and determine players fate way too soon, it’s crazy. This kid is going to get more chances to show what he can do as the year goes on. So is Cook too

This right here is the nonsense I get annoyed with. Go watch Aaron Donald, he didn’t win every down against the Bills and he is the best of a generation. This obsession people have to try and find one play to fill their confirmation bias of dislike every game is over the top with Edmunds. No player in the NFL gets the job done on 100% of their snaps. It’s never happened and never will. He played a great overall game last week and this week, the refusal to acknowledge that tells me you’re not interested in fairly analyzing his overall game and just would rather find ways to be right about your negative opinion.

Spot on sir!

Edmunds has now had good games in back to back to weeks. This includes big impact plays tonight including sack and tipping a pass for an Int. One drive he dominated the Titans for 3 downs to almost single handedly force them off the field. So since everyone starts a thread trashing him even after good games, I figured it was time he got a thread praising his play because he’s been very good these first 2 weeks. He still has to prove it the rest of the season to see where he fits in the Bills future plans, but he’s off to a very good start and he has earned some praise. UPDATE 10/2: Now 4 games in, and Edmunds is still playing at a high level and coming off another strong game alongside Milano where they did an excellent job keeping Lamar Jackson in check once again.

What an opening drive, I love Dorsey so far.