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Everyone talking about what Niners spent previously on RB’s. Who cares. It’s a pointless and short sighted way to look at this. That’s a sunk cost. It’s gone. It’s irrelevant. Only fans obsess over that. GM’s job is to win a SB and make a move today that increases those chances. What they did before doesn’t matter in how this move impacts those odds. And make no mistake about it…The Niners made a move today that elevates them from contender to possible favorite to reach the SB in the NFC. They paid a lot, and they are probably the only team in the NFL trade makes sense for. He is an absolute perfect fit for their style of play and offense. It’s an offense built on running the ball and playing tough defense. This would have been a HORRIFIC trade for say the Bills. There was zero percent chance Bills and Beane would have ever considered this much for a RB on a pass dominant team with the best QB in the league. But for the 49ers, who are a SB contender before the trade, this is the kind of move that can put them over the top in the NFC. Their issue remains health on the defensive side of the ball. But once they get some guys back, this will be my favorite to make the SB in the NFC. I would NOT have paid this…but for the Niners, I think the trade makes sense.

2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks in 2023, and a 5th rounder in 2024. HARD PASS. Not at all worth it for a pass first team with the best QB in the NFL. Love CMC as a player, but there was zero percent chance Beane was paying that. And thank god he didn’t. On a side note, if I am the Niners, this makes a lot more sense. He elevates their style of play and I think makes them the favorites in the NFC when their defense gets healthy again soon. And they could be a dangerous foe in a SB matchup. My wife is ecstatic as a Niners fan, especially since it increases the odds of a Niners vs Bills Super Bowl.

Going back to draft night, there were things I kept pointing out to those freaking about Josh from that moment on and yelling "wrong Josh"..."why wasn't he good in college"...etc etc. Coaching...he never received high level coaching at any level of his football experience before the NFL. Allen was a multi-sport athlete in HS. He wasn't hyper focused on football yet. And he played In a small town where coaching wasn't a high level. That led to a JUCO stint...again, still not exposed to high level coaching. That led to Wyoming...again, still not getting top notch coaching and development. Raw - Without high level development, he relied purely on athletic gifts and not mechanics or fundamentals. Talent around him was weak everywhere he played. He didn't have future college stars with him in HS, he didn't have talent around in at the JUCO, and his best players around him at Wyoming left the year before to the NFL and his last season there he really had no one any good around him. Between his last day at Wyoming and the combine, Josh worked on mechanics with Palmer and suddenly there was already a dramatic improvement. So much so, Allen came in and crushed the combine and started turning heads and changing minds. You could see right then what his potential was and how he was responding to real coaching on his mechanics. In fact, this is what started to change my mind on Allen, his incredible improvement at the combine. Prior to that, I had not even considered him an option to be drafted by us. On draft night, Allen was my guy. I had Baker as the top prospect still, and once word got out he was the one going #1 overall, Allen was then my hope. And if not Allen, then I was hoping for Lamar. I hated Rosen and prayed we wouldn't draft him and Darnold I was fine taking, but I watched so many bad decisions when he was here at USC that I had real doubts about him.

Niners because my wife is a Niners fan...so it would be an epic battle here hahaha

If you projected either Mannings or Brees top 2 spots all time in total yards over 17 games, they still fall 200 yards short. So there has never been a season in NFL history that would have equated to 6000 total yards in 17 games. There isn't even one season by a player that comes within 100 yards of reaching 6000 yards in 17 games. So I do not think being 17 games makes it "easier". I would say it takes it from pretty much impossible to it could happen one day when someone puts up the single greatest season in NFL history. In fact to do it, that person would almost certainly have to break the current NFL record within 16 games to be able to even reach 6000 in 17 games. Add in the fact that the odds are, if a QB is having that kind of season, there is a very good chance he may not have to play much in week 17, making the achievement even potentially harder.

Yes good add in...and one of those rare trades where both teams love the outcome of it.

As others pointed out, we were missing some key players too in our secondary who are amongst the best at their positions. So in terms of missing players, I think it is pretty much a wash. That being said, these are clearly the 2 best teams in football IMHO. I think both would beat the Eagles or any other NFC team in a Super Bowl. I will also add, this is my favorite Bills rivalry of all time already. Here are my reasons: Allen vs Mahomes - Why not state the obvious here. These are the two best QB's in the league. I am certain KC fans feel Mahomes is the best and Bills fans feel Allen is the best. And rightfully so, hard to say either side is wrong in that opinion. I think Allen is simply because everything on the field Mahomes does, Allen can also do...but there are a couple physical things Allen can do that even Mahomes cant. They are 1A and 1B though, the margin of difference in negligible and I can't fault anyone wrong for making a case for either guy. No ill will towards the Chiefs - When the two stud QB's are so respectful and likeable combined with being friends off the field, it already sets a friendly competitive tone instead of a bitter rival such as is there with a divisional rivalry. Plus, our coaches are connected and friends too. And the games are relatively clean and just great football instead of dirty with lots of fights and shenanigans. NOTE: This is certainly helped by that POS Hill not being there. Honestly can't stand that woman beater. Now he is on a divisional rival so I can hate him even more. I will admit, something about Kelce kind of rubs me the wrong way, but its not on the same level as Hill. Respect to you and the Chiefs, this is going to be a great rivalry for years to come. But it's ALSO time for the Chiefs to play a game in Buffalo. This going to KC 3 years straight in the regular season is dumb (we go there next year too). This game this year should have been in Buffalo, Bills fans and Bills mafia deserve one of these epic games in Buffalo too. But hopefully our win this past week is the catalyst and gets us the playoff game in Buffalo.

I think its a combo of a couple things. Allens arm strength. He just naturally has a much lower trajectory because he can deliver a strike 25 yards down field the same way other QB's throw 7 yard crossing passes. He is tall - I know this sounds counterintuitive to the point, but I can tell you as someone who is also tall (I am 6'4") that when you can see over the tops of things, it definitely gives you more confidence that you can get it there unimpeded. You don't feel this need to get over something when you are looking right at it. Allen isn't afraid to get hit - He is not afraid to stand tall in a collapsing pocket and take a hit while trying to deliver a pass. And all these defensive lineman are taught to get their hands up when closing in on the QB like that. I've noticed several of these passes get knocked down when the pocket is closing in on him. And when you factor the 2 points above into the equation in these moments, its just allowing some guys to get there hands on some passes.

Chase Claypool has the ability to be a stud in the right situation. I don't know if he is a fit character wise for our locker room, nor do I expect we would even pursue him. I don't see us needing to trade a draft asset for a WR. But Claypool in GB could be dangerous. Rodgers will get him the ball, and with his speed and size, he could be very DK Metcalf like in that offense. If he goes to the Giants, meh, Jones just isn't a great passer and I am sure Claypool would have a few big games just based on his size and speed, but I think he would be very inconsistent in that weak passing offense.

There are a multitude of reasons for that though...and McCaffrey and Ekeler are making big contributions as a receiver and arguably the most effective parts of both offenses right now. But...this discussion is getting a bit sidetracked. I am not in any way advocating for a run first team, emphasize the run game, etc. I am one of Devin's biggest defenders. I am just saying, adding an elite RB who is also an elite receiver to this offense is certainly an upgrade, even though I really like Devin and just think he needs to be given more carries. But I was correcting the poster who claimed in the last 25 years no team wins in the playoffs with a run game led offense, and it wasn't true. It's totally irrelevant to the Bills, we are a dominant passing team and will remain that way no matter who is running the ball, as it should be when you have the best QB in the league.

Except that’s just not true. In the last 25 years…a team with a great D and run game as the strength of their teams won the SB 11 times. To name some: Manning won his last ring on a run game and defense as the worst passer in the NFL that year and worst QB performance in a Super Bowl win in NFL history. Russel Wilson won a SB as a game manager before he became a great QB behind a dominant run game and dominant defense. And would have won back to back had they run instead of pass at end of the game. Big Ben won a SB on the back of a dominant run game and defense before he became a great passer later in his career. New England won their first 3 Super Bowls as a great defense and running team with squat at WR before Brady became a high production QB. Ravens won the SB with Trent Dilfer and a dominant run game and dominant defense. Giants won multiple SBs this way. None of this matters. I’m not saying let’s become a run team or even to trade for CMC. Heck I’m one of Devin’s biggest defenders and supporters here. I’m just correcting this inaccurate claim you just made that it’s never happened in the last 25 years.

Im not talking about paying an elite RB. I said there is no denying it would boost our offense even higher. CMC would also only cost us $600k or so this year. And can be cut with no cap hit next year if Beane didn’t want to pay him. Again, I don’t think it’s gonna happen, but money isn’t really an issue here if the intention is to elevate chances for just this year.

I would be curious to know that too actually. But I do think all time greats find ways to dig deeper though. On paper this team should be better than it is, so the point is, they can turn it on at any point, don't take them lightly is the moral of the story. Yeah, the Washington game is an easy get right game for them. I should have clarified that. Not to mention, lots of talk of them making a trade for a WR too here soon.

I'm a better option than McKenzie and I am 46 and slow AF. I think we will see Shakir gradually take more and more snaps from McKenzie the way Devin did with Moss. I bet it's at least a 50-50 split this next game, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Shakir take even more than 50% of the snaps.

I expect to sack Rodgers 6 times and win this game by at least 3 scores. At the same time, it's still Aaron Rodgers who is pissed off coming off an embarrassing loss against the Jets. On paper, that D should be better than its been playing. Moral of the story: THE BILLS BETTER NOT TAKE THIS GAME LIGHTLY.

In terms of capital investment, those numbers will always be highest for QB, Tackle, and DE. No doubt about it. But you can't sit here and diminish the value of a RB while Saquan Barkley is turning Daniel Jones into a winning QB and playoff QB despite him be average at best. Saquan is carrying that offense and is a big reason why they are 5-1. Had they traded Saquan in the offseason they would probably be 1-5 right now instead. An elite RB can absolutely move the needle for a team. I mean if you put CMC on the Bills, all the betting odds on us get even better and we are already the favorite. Put him on KC, and they will close the gap or even become the betting favorite over us. Put him on SF and they suddenly look like the team to beat in the NFC. Should a team build around a RB, of course not, that is a much harder way to win in the modern NFL. It's possible, but you are going to need a great OL and a great Defense and a solid QB just to have a chance. But anyone devaluing what CMC would bring to this offense is kidding themselves I am a fan of Devin, and I have defended him many times against the over exaggerated crap he gets around here. But even I know CMC potentially makes our offense historically good and damn near unstoppable. And for the record...the guy you responded to wasn't comparing a DE to a RB. He was comparing the situations. Going from a good to great player significantly moved the needle on defense in upgrading from Hughes to Von. He was saying upgrading from Devin to CMC could have the same significant impact for the offense. And for the record: I do not think we trade for McCaffrey. I think Beane called, found the price to be too rich, and that was that. They will most likely find another suitor willing to give more than Beane is. And I am totally fine with Devin, but also fine and would be excited if we surprised and did land CMC.

While I don't disagree with you really on this premise...Antonio Brown says hi

I honestly could care less. If they are cleared to play, they are cleared to play. Why should anyone care otherwise?

Yeah, I think Micah is a generational talent too. But I don't really like the LT comparisons he keeps getting, just don't think that is really who he accurately compares to. I think Derrick Thomas is more suitable, because like Derrick was when he played, he is the best pure pass rusher in the NFL right now. But Micah is still weak against the run, and LT was a more complete player and total game wrecker. Either way, Micah is going to be one of the betting favorites for DPOY to start each season much like Darnold, Garrett, and Watt are. Guy is a definitely a beast.

CMC doesn’t make sense. They didn’t need to restructure Kelce to fit CMC contract in this year and they definitely can’t afford CMC next few seasons. And they love the rookie they have in Pacheco who they are very high on. And I doubt it’s OBJ, especially after OBJ made it about the money. He said he wants to go to Rams but they didn’t offer what he is worth. So if his heart is in LA but is prioritizing money over his preference, then I doubt KC is gonna pay him what he wants.

It is definitely Parsons, but the gap maybe just got closer. Micah was exposed and Eagles showed how to handle the defense of the cowboys which is run right at Micah who is god awful against the run. He is literally ranked like a hundred and something against the run. Von Miller could creep in there. If he keeps piling up sacks, and meaningful ones, he could be in the conversation. Especially if he ends up between 15-20 sacks, which he is on pace for. And with our offense, teams are gonna have to throw a lot creating plenty of snaps where he can go get the QB. Scary thing is Von said he is still learning the system, they basically just tell him go get the QB right now. He could be even better as the season goes on. Another name to keep an eye on who I think is dark horse is Judon in NE. He’s playing lights out for them right now as Pats are starting to put together some wins led by the D. But like I said, it’s definitely currently Micah Parsons. Just saying it will be interesting to see how the rest of the season goes for him and cowboys. I have a feeling they are going to lose some more games once Dak is back. I have seen guys look like shoe ins for MVP, DPOY, etc at this point in the season and then teams figure out how to scheme against them and slow them down.

You know when will be a good time to revisit this? When I am bored because Josh Allen and the starters were pulled for the 4th quarter with us up 5 scores when we are playing the Jets.

And this is why a case can be made for either. But IMHO, Allen is still capable of doing all of those things. One might say Mahomes maybe does it more consistently, but Allen can also make all those throws too now and doing it more frequently/. But there are still things Allen can do with his running that Mahomes simply can’t physically do.

Ah my bad, sorry didn’t see that it was. Well let me correctly say then the article is cherry picking. I was just stating it’s an inconsistent way to get to a conclusion even though I happen to agree with this specific conclusion that Allen is the best. I amended my original reply to be directed at the article

First: I agree. I think Allen is the best QB in football. Him and Mahomes though are interchangeable IMHO on who is better. A case can be made for either. I go with Allen because he can do things not even Mahomes can do with his legs, but there is nothing Mahomes can do that Allen can't. Second: I need to stay consistent...and that is pointing out this article is cherry picking stats. The article chose an odd slate of games...they conveniently only start counting his stats after the Bills got out of a slump last year to make Allens stats look better. Again, I agree with the conclusion that Allen is the top guy, but I find the articles cherry picking of information as just an inconsistent way to prove any conclusion.