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I wouldn't overlook this move, and I wouldn't just blanketly say Toney is a bust. Toney played on horrific offenses with a horrific QB prior to this year. And he has battled some injuries. To just say he can't succeed or be dangerous now in a terrific situation in KC, is very premature. It was a lot to risk on him, sure. But this trade could really help the Chiefs. When they lost Hill, it took 2 things away...a guy who can stretch the defense but also that quick strike YAC weapons that Mahomes uses so well. Toney can help fill those voids. So...yeah, I wouldn't be so quick to mock this move. If Toney can stay healthy and available, he can really help that offense because he doesn't have to replicate Hills production with all the other weapons they have. But his presence and threat over the top and underneath on those short strikes for YAC is going to make the Chiefs harder to defend. I think this trade helps the Chiefs more than the Quinn trade helped the Eagles.

No disrespect...but people need to top reading sensationalized headlines and do some research. He didn't brutalize anyone. At what point in society did manipulated and sensationalized (and often completely fabricated) headlines from clickbait online media sources become news, facts, or information? This is why we are the least informed first world country while also being the most misinformed first world country on the planet.

He is still Aaron Rodgers. I’m very confident we will win by 3 scores. But every game must be taken seriously every week or you end up losing to a team like the Jags. On paper, Packers should be much better than they have been playing, they could turn it on in any given week. But yea…there are plenty of negative fans around here who piss and moan even when we win in a dominant fashion.

You do realize that he was NOT romantically involved with the woman right? Hunts girlfriend was in the room with them and she and her girlfriends are the ones who the original altercation inside the room because the girl refused to leave after they found out she was under 21 and they were drinking. The 2 women there were invited by one of Hunts friends to hang with them, not Hunt.

Robert Quinn - Hey I know his name must mean SB for Eagles! Is it a good move for Eagles…sure, but he isn’t the same player anymore. Does it change a whole lot for Eagles prospects? Not really. They were already the top NFC team, this didn’t widen the gap much at all. Both Bills and Chiefs are still better and this didn’t change that or close the gap. And for the record…our DL is still better.

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Missed in all this is that Juedy the last 2 seasons has a 50% catch rate. Which is atrocious.

I get what you are saying, and normally agree. I have total confidence in our scouting department and Beane when it comes to the draft. However...Super Bowl windows are almost never as long as people think they will be. Cap issues, injuries, and overall league turnover every year can change the SB picture quite rapidly and frequently. So when we are sitting here primed for a major SB push this year, using a draft pick to make a move that might help you get over the top is different conversation. Let me put it this way...people have been pleading and praying we get home field advantage in the playoffs. But what does that come with? Potentially bad weather to be throwing in. Last year we lost to a lowly Pats team at home because we had to resort to throwing the ball 19 times in the 2nd half because we weren't doing any better in our ground game. Josh completed just 50% of his passes and we lost the game. Come playoff time, we are going to want to know we can run in bad weather and control the game. And what happens if we have an injury to a key playmaker like Davis or Diggs? Having another weapon like Hunt who is dangerous as runner and a receiver could be a critical piece. So for me...Im all for it. CMC was different, didn't like the cost. But Hunt is a top 5 talent who can be had much cheaper, this move I am all for even though I am still someone who has confidence in Devin.

No problemo sir…A quality poster like yourself deserves a quality response bud

No disrespect Logic, but Im not gonna repost the details for the third time on what happened. You can scroll up to the top of this page or back a few pages to see my thoughts on that. Bottom line: Its being over exaggerated. He was a young guy who reacted very poorly to be called the N word by a woman who had been causing trouble in the room, and with hunts girlfriend in the room, and refused to leave even once out of the room. They wanted her to go because they found out she was not 21 but she was refusing. The physical contact was very minimal, lets not act like he Ray Riced this woman and its something he cant come back from. Young man 100% made a mistake. But the facts are that the woman was the root problem, who was there as a guest of one of Hunt's friends, not with Hunt himself. Hunt made a big mistake and reacted very poorly after pleading with this woman to leave and being called the N word. She was the instigator at every stage of this, starting inside the room with Hunts girlfriend and her friends. He got a second chance and has done everything right. To hold onto this is unnecessary IMHO. For anyone to pretend they know his character based on this lone incident makes no sense to me. I will trust the opinion of his character from all those around him, his teammates, and the fact that he has done everything right since. All of it points to this being an unfortunate mistake and lapse in judgement, not a rooted character flaw.

No offense, but man I hate this logic. Its clear people in this thread don't understand the job a TE does out there. It's a lot more than just offensive stats. Anyone solely focusing on Knox stats doesn't understand what a complete TE does. But thats just part of why I hate this logic... Bills have the #1 offense in the NFL. Josh Allen is on pace to shatter...not break...but utterly shatter the NFL record for most yards in a season. Current record is just over 5500 yards, Allen is on pace to break it by more than 800 yards with a 6300 yard season. What do you expect Allen to do? Up his pace to 7000 yards to make sure Knox gets an extra 700 yards to satisfy the contract expectations? Otherwise, what do you want Josh to do? Pass less to Diggs and Davis just inflate Knox stats to make you feel better about his contract? If our offense was struggling and we didn't have playmakers everywhere, then yeah, why aren't we getting more production from a guy capable of more would be a legit question. But this board is impossible. No matter how good we play, they want to find something to complain about. We are on a historic pace on offense...yet people freaking out we don't get more rushing yards or more yards to a TE. Knox is doing exactly what he is being asked to do. NOTE: I said ALL offseason...not only would Knox NOT reach last years level of production, but its likely going to go down. Not because he was not capable, but because we were loaded offensively. If Knox needed to be featured more as a receiving threat, he is totally capable of being that guy who could step up and do that. I also find this ironic given the last time the Bills were on the field Knox literally won the game for us and likely the end result of that win will be the #1 seed in the playoffs.

Why do people think Cleveland cares about Moss? He has no value to them, they are already stacked at RB, Moss would likely not even be active on gamedays for them. Give them the 4th...heck, give them our 3rd and go win the SB. Our 3rd is essentially a 4th almost anyway. Hunt is a top 5 talent at RB, a pure 3 down RB.

Appreciate the long thought out response. Just know, anywhere I use ALL CAPS below, it's not me yelling, just emphasizing the importance of those words. I disagree, I do not think it goes beyond what he did. You know how many parties NFL players have regularly? I mean our own Diggs has partied the same way. Having a party is not a crime, nor does it mean it's "nasty". More importantly, are you aware that Hunts girlfriend was in the room? This wasn't some nasty sex exploit of Hunt, he was literally with his girlfriend and her friends. The girls involved in the incident were 2 women, not a group of women where she was trying to "get everyone out". Both women were already out, in the hallway, and refusing to leave still. It was some of Hunts guy friends, his girlfriend, and some of her girl friends in the room. This was a group of people hanging out and having some drinks, was not a "bad" situation. And they did it in the safety of a hotel room. The real mistake was one of Hunts guy friends invited 2 girls he knew through a buddy of his. Once they were in the room, they found out the girls were NOT 21 and that is why they were asked to leave because they were not old enough to drink. The one girl kept refusing to leave and started a confrontation with Hunts girlfriend in the room. I never said "nothing happened" or that he didn't kick the girl. I specifically said 90% of the people in this thread do NOT know what happened and are claiming FALSE things happened such as "beat up a woman", "punched a woman in the face", "kicked a woman in the HEAD". I said none of these false claims happened. What he did was an initial shove the moment she called him the N word, and then later a light kick push in her butt to nudge her to go the other way and leave. And if you read my write up of what happened, I repeatedly mention he reacted poorly and was in the wrong for doing anything physical in the first place. BUT there is non stop false statements in this thread exaggerating what the physical altercation entailed. And that over dramatization in this thread that grossly exaggerates the actual incident is what I was chastising. Never did I defend his behavior, but I am simply correcting the false information that is rampant in this thread. And here it goes again, now you are making wild assumptions that are not rooted in facts. Suddenly its now a "bunch of very drunk or drugged women". Come on...it was TWO women, not a bunch, and there is nothing about this incident that makes them "drugged" as if Hunt and his entourage drugged them. You see, this is the exaggerated stuff that bothers me. Now they are suddenly drugged? You make this sound like the men in the room "drugged" them in an attempted date rape *****. The facts are, the two women were friends with one of the guys in the group which is how they got invited to hang out. Once they found out they were NOT 21, they were asked to leave and refused. The actual original altercation was between all the girls in the room. They wanted them to leave with alcohol being present and them not being 21. The 2 girls refused to leave. That is what started everything. It had nothing to do with women being drugged. Once again, I never said nothing happened. I specifically sighted the FALSE claims people have made and said none of THOSE happened. No, it shouldn't color every decision. But it sure feels like you are letting it. Bottom line...If someone knows the facts and has an opinion about the FACTS, post away. Nothing wrong with having an independent or differing opinion on the matter when you are forming that opinion on the ACTUAL FACTS of what happened. I was not chastising someone's opinion, I was chastising the American way of running around spouting false information to skew the perception. But like I said, kudos for at least a real response here even though I still find some of it inaccurate and a bit sensationalized. But you at least know enough to form your own opinion on the matter, and I don't have an issue with that even though I disagree on the points above.

I can’t believe he is actually still in the league. I didn’t even realize he was until he got the HC job in Denver. I was stunned that he actually was in GB prior to that. Not only was he the worst OC I can remember in Bills history, but he’s actually an even much worse head coach. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was fired already and really should be. It’s that bad.

The thread is what I hate about society. Literally 90% of you don’t even know what actually happened and you are in here spreading false claims about what happened. People claiming he “beat up a woman”, “punched a woman”, “kicked a woman in the head”, etc etc. Literally none of that happened, in fact, nothing close to that even happened. If you don’t know the facts, don’t post about it.

Total steal for the Jets. Robinson wasn't falling out of favor, its that Etienne was emerging as a stud. James Robinson is a very good RB, he reminds me a lot of Fred Jackson where he doesn't get the respect his talent deserves.

No problem...Here is why I hate it when people just share the video and don't discuss the context of what actually happened. The woman was causing a lot of problems in the room before they entered the hallway with all the people in the room with Hunt, including the girls. They repeatedly asked her to leave while inside the room and she refused. Eventually they got her into the hallway where Hunt was pleading with her to just leave already, nobody wanted her there, she still refused. At this point she called him the N word which was what caused Hunt to react so poorly. You can see the exact moment it happens in the video too where he is first calm and just pleading for her to just leave and even has his hands together like in a prayer motion. Then he see the moment she calls a N word he immediately gets upset. The women refusing to leave also were instigating contact and a guy in Hunts group got shoved and fell into the girl which is what initially knocked her down. Hunt compounds his poor reaction and mistake by giving her a light kick on her butt in a shoving motion to push her further away to leave. I mean the kick was less impactful than parents spanking a child, it wasn't some huge act of violence like people exaggerate it to be. I do NOT condone being physical with women. Hunt was 100% in the wrong on how he chose to react. But man, this incident keeps getting retold incorrectly and over sensationalizes what Hunt actually did from a physical stand point and totally ignores any responsibility the woman played in this incident of being the initial trouble causer and instigator. This is not like when Ray Rice hit his girlfriend in an elevator. Hunt made a mistake, but its no where near the level people like to say it is. And he wasn't a guy with prior off field issues and he has done all that was asked of him since then, did all the courses, and cleaned up his act. People make mistakes...he was a young guy who put himself in a bad position from the get go then reacted badly to being called the N word by a person who was already causing problems and refusing to leave. But he atoned for his mistake and was given a second chance and has done everything right in Cleveland with it so far. I think this incident is behind him, something he grew from and not indicative of his character of who he is today. And all you hear from those around him is praise ever since.

Don’t disagree that Beane values his picks more, and thankfully so. But Hunt is still cheap this year. It’s not like he has some huge price tag. We can easily take him on and there is no cap penalty next year because he’s a free agent. So money really has zero relevance into whether or not they would trade for Hunt. The only “cost” that will be of concern to Beane is simply compensation to facilitate the trade.

You say that, but just last year the Rams traded 2nd and a 3rd round pick for a half season rental of Von Miller. Rams also were offering 2nd, 3rd, and 5th this year for CMC but got outbid by Niners even though it would have been very difficult for Rams to keep CMC next year with his cap hit. Bills reportedly offered a 2nd for CMC with no assurances we would keep him after this season had that trade gone through given the cap impacts of Josh's deal kicking in next year, Von, and all our guys whose contracts are coming up. So no disrespect, but saying no one will pay that isn't accurate. And Hunt can easily still resign with their respective team, especially if he does a team friendly deal to stay with a winning organization as their lead back.

Hunt would be a half season rental here, with the potential to retain him as a Free Agent if he wants to take a discount to stay on a top tier team as the feature RB. But more than likely, it's a rental for an all in SB push to both help our odds and also keep him off a competitors roster we might see in the playoffs.

I am totally comfortable with Devin and have enough confidence in him to where I don't feel like we "need" to make a move to win a SB. He is better than he gets credit for and has done well when given enough touches. And he is absolutely beloved by Josh and the team. So for me, the only RB that is being reported as "available" via trade that I would support a trade for (in terms of playing ahead of Devin) is Kareem Hunt. He could make a bigger impact here than even CMC would have IMHO because he can also be a force between the tackles for tough yards. Hunt is a legit top 5 RB candidate as as starter, a true 3 down back. NOTE: I wouldn't mind the Bills taking a flier and sending a low round pick to LA for Akers. He at least has starter/backup potential next year after Devin inevitably leaves, assuming Akers can bounce back with a change of scenery and being further removed from his previous injury last year. So I wouldn't mind that gamble given I don't have a lot of confidence in Moss.

Or...there are more people who don't really know the facts of the night and grossly over exaggerate it to be a LOT more than it was. Theres that too.

Anyone doing a thumbs down for an elite RB at the cost of Zack Moss and a 5th is high on bad drugs because that would an absolute steal. Which is exactly why Cleveland would never do this. First, they do not need Moss, they have a very good 3rd RB already who has produced big time when Chubb and Hunt missed time. He is way better than Moss is to backup and share carries with Chubb. Hunt talent for talent wise is up there with CMC, but he won't fetch as much because Hunt is a FA next year. But Cleveland will surely get better offers than a 5th round pick and a player they don't want or need. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Hunt go for a 2nd rounder or multiple picks as he is a top 5 talent at RB as a starter, still young, and a true 3 down RB. He can really elevate a contender this year. As far as the Bills go...I am not going to lose any sleep if we stick with Devin, I think he is underutilized and under appreciated for how good he is when given chances. So by no means do I think we need to make a move for Hunt. But there is no question adding Hunt to our roster instantly makes us a better team. Having Hunt as the lead back and Devin to back him up would make this offense nearly unstoppable. Hunt is a top tier runner and receiver out of the backfield who can also run tough between the tackles. His impact here might even be bigger than CMC would have made because of he can pick up the tough yards too. If we truly offered our 2nd for CMC, then I would think it's plausible we would have interest in Hunt. If memory serves me, there was interest in Hunt by our FO a couple years back too. Again, won't lose any sleep over having Devin as our lead back, he is better than he gets credit for. But at the same time, Hunt would be an exciting addition and also I would much rather see Hunt come here than a competitor we might face in the playoffs.

Ha, I picked Ryan up this past week in fantasy while Allen was on a bye...got the W...and I have already cut him too.

I just hate that on a must convert 3rd and 2 we take away all our weapons on the team and Allens legs and ability to improvise. And I will slightly disagree about Diggs being our best playmaker...our best playmaker on the team is really Allen. Fade takes him completely out of the equation for a 50/50 ball where our not very tall WR was blanketed. Overall...he was a great OC for us, and grateful for his time here. But I just didn't like some of his decisions like this on key plays.