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And that’s a pretty darn good player in my book

I mean I don’t think Beane has ever given the impression he is done adding WR talent to this team. What he said was he doesn’t feel like Josh is in the same place he was when we traded for Diggs where Allen needs an elite WR1 to elevate Josh’s game. Which is was saying as the reason why he didn’t feel the need (with $31m in dead cap already to a WR off the roster) he had to go trade a bunch of assets and over pay someone like Aiyuk. But make no mistake about it, he is going to still draft another WR this next year or acquire one via trade or FA. And if one comes available in season at a bargain he can take on where he doesn’t kill the cap moving forward and have to over pay in draft assets, I am sure he will at least kick the tires.

Thanks for posting this. That second clip is the play I was talking about many times since the game where Coleman beat his one on one deep for a would be TD had O’Cyrus didn’t get Allen nearly killed on a sack. Coleman was close to having a big game between that play and the unfortunate drop. Its why I said the silver lining might be this mini breakout where they hopefully look to get Coleman going early. As I said in another thread already, look for Coleman to get at least 7+ targets this week as I think they are going start getting him more involved moving forward.

Ha yup and most often the Bills never were involved to begin with. I will be a little surprised if he’s not a Jet before our game against them.

This. I have no complaints weeks 1 - 3 for obvious reasons. 9 people caught the ball week 1, Cook dominated week 2 and we took the 2nd half off, week 3 10 people caught passes and again took the 2nd half off...no one is gonna have high usage stats under those great circumstances. BUT...Baltimore was supposed to be most vulnerable up the middle of that defense and if there was ever a game to get 12 personnel going it was that one. Yet for the first time in 13 games with Brady it was the first one where I felt like he did not have the right plan. I will say this...execution on the field killed us too when we were getting momentum at times. The OL was getting worked and confused up front, the stupid trick play, Kincaid and Keon with 2 key drops in the first half, and dumb penalties. Still, even though we had moments where we seemed to get into a rhythm (before shooting our own selves in the foot), I don't understand why we didn't utilize both TE's more. I have defended Mack as having value, and mostly as a blocker, both this offseason and during the season. And he has done just that. But at no point was he ever to be more than 5th or 6th target at best in our offense. When we are looking to get the ball moving through the pass game we need to either get Samuel going (another mystery) along side Keon and Shakir, or we need to get into 12 personnel and get Knox involved as well with Keon and Shakir out there with them. Knox had 15 TD's the 2 seasons before drafting Kincaid and that was with relatively low usage. Dorsey completely forgot he was on the team and Brady hasn't really gotten him involved yet either. I do trust Brady more to find a way to get the right personnel out there compared to Dorsey. So I hope he grows from that Raven game and starts looking at what an asset the 12 personnel can be with these 2 guys in games like that. Doesn't mean every week it makes the most sense, I like varying our approach based on our opponent.

I think Beane has shown a willingness to make a splash move, but also I think he has shown restraint to do things that will hinder us moving forward more often than not. So I don't think he will avoid making a move if he feels its a difference making move, but he also won't want to do something that screws his cap up the next couple years if it isn't something he feels could really deliver a SB this season. Personally, I think the timing is wrong. Bills looked like the best team in the NFL first 3 weeks then got destroyed by Balt...so right now its a big question if this team is a true SB contender or more like Miami was last year where we beat up on weak opposition but are not truly one of the elite teams in the AFC. But if the Bills go out and win these next two games for example, then I think more confidence will build this team could win it all this year and maybe Beane is more willing to make an all in type move before the deadline. Just my 2 cents.

Oh, I didn't remember that. Thanks for clearing that up. So did that adjustment impact our ability to get out of his deal this year as I have had the impression we still can and no one has suggested back to me otherwise yet when I have talked about that as part of the positive things of this next off season. So now I am curious to how that impacts him this year

See this is where you and I are disconnected...which is fine, but this really shows it more clearly. Yes he has 2 more yards...that is indisputable. Him having "better stats" is where I think it is definitely disputable. His efficiency is terrible and has a YPC that would be bad for even a back up TE. Not to mention, he had almost a game and a half worth of additional offensive snaps while his team has struggled all 4 weeks. His team got blown out the one game he was featured, which is also where he got literally 40% of his yards in that one game of a blowout loss. He has really not been relevant or done much to help his team since his 2 short TD's week 1. I do agree that if Minnesota keeps playing at this high level and that pick becomes a very late 2nd, then it really isn't robbery and closer to balanced. When Minny was expected to be bad with what people expected the QB situation to be, a pick inside the top 10 of the 2nd would have felt more like we got over on Houston in that deal for what may just be a one year rental for them. But that looks pretty unlikely right now unless the old Darnold shows up.

Agree...the one spot I did not want to see him go was KC, and hopefully being in the same division that it would prevent that from happening. Even better if KC is not interested to where its not even on the table. I am not too worried about the Jets though.

I will openly admit that the show "Receivers" soured me on Adams as the kind of fit that I think will good for the team. I was all for trying to get him the last 2 years prior to that show though. But since then, seeing him complain about targets in a win, regularly show lots of frustration and displeasure on the sidelines, etc has me concerned about how he will handle it if we are still spreading the ball around with him here. Especially in a games where maybe we are losing or go on to lose. But prior to this year I was all about trying to get him. So I won't hate it if we shock and trade for him, but I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be concerned about his potential to disrupt the fun and chemistry this team has had this year post Diggs.

Thanks, this answers my question about if there is any idea how the cap issue could even work

I didn't say any of this though. Lets deal with the Facts: Bills blew out teams and the offense mailed it in for 2 halves of football. That is an entire games worth of football. Are you telling me the Bills leading WR is not going to catch a single pass for 2 yards over the course of 4 quarters? Come on...lets be realistic here. Not to mention that our defense not getting AZ off the field the first half of week 1 and Cook dominating the first half of week 2, or the fact that week 1 Allen completed passes to 9 different WR's and then 10 different ones in week 3. To translate the less opportunities to be a function of a failure of Shakir doing his job is completely inaccurate and an injustice to what Shakir has done this season.

I believe this is incorrect. What I understood was that Beane did not rework his deal, Von just flat out took a pay cut without altering his deal in any way moving forward. It was maybe the biggest deal of the offseason to save cap space this year and not change our ability to get out of his deal next year. Maybe I am misremembering, but I think this is what really happened.

I still think Adams doesn't fit what Beane would want in the locker room personally, but Beane also isn't afraid to make bold moves either. So has anyone seen any actual links of Adams and the Bills and has anyone figured out how we could make it work cap wise given how big his cap hits are? Still feels pretty unlikely to me where I think Hopkins and Cooper would be more realistic options if Beane was going to enter the market of guys who could be available.

You realize that Diggs has 2...just TWO more yards than Shakir right? You think that if the Bills had to go all out both 2nd halves week 2 and 3 he wouldn't have gotten one more catch for 2 yards? That is absurd considering he's been our leading WR. Sorry, if you want to shake your head in disbelief, then do it at your own response here. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt though that you were not aware it was just 2 yards that separate them...at least I hope you didn't know that before writing this post.

Well I think a pretty clear case can be made that Shakir has had a better season given he has the same yards on less catches and less opportunities thanks to blow outs. And you can also make a case that Coleman has been a more effective outside WR considering he is also averaging 6.6 yards more per catch than Diggs has averaged over Diggs last 14 games now and would at the very least have similar yardage numbers had we not had 2 blow outs where he played basically he only played 3 quarters over weeks 2 and 3 between the blowouts and his sitting out the first quarter for being late week 3. Then we still have the best start to a season Josh has had and his best 3 game stretch as well. But I agree we haven't proved anything long term yet, but Diggs having 2 more yards under the circumstances does not prove we haven't either.

I didn't say it was a burn...I said its a misrepresentation. Had the Bills had to play all out for all 4 quarters all 4 weeks like the Texans, not only would Shakir have significantly more yards than him, but Coleman almost certainly has more yards than him too and possibly Kincaid as well. So your comment is not quite the counter you think it is. Context matters.

2 yards more on almost nearly double the on field opportunities because of the context of the Texans vs Bills first 4 games. Hardly paints a picture of reality based on what you are implying with your statement. But all good, just disagree you fairly painted the picture with that statement.

I was only addressing this comment about Diggs about how he has more yards than our top guy. That really shouldn’t have even been in your post unless you’re gonna provide the proper context like it was just 2 yards more on relevantly more opportunities. Without the context it creates a false sense of reality of what that really means, which is nothing like that statement reads. It’s 100% factual that had the Bills been forced to play start to finish all four games, that not only would Shakir have noticeably more yards, but pretty good odds are Coleman would too. So to even mention Diggs has more yards (2) had really no value and wasn’t even worth mentioning unless you’re trying create a narrative to support an opinion. And your opinion is fine, just think that statement was a classic cherry picked comment to create a narrative that was unnecessary to the point you wanted to convey. All good, just my 2 cents

Ha forgot about this poll I posted a while ago. Agreed, a game like that poster described for each would be one you say they both had good games as individuals. But based on the fact Diggs is avg 9.3 ypc, a game like that feels less likely right now. Especially with Nico leading the NFL in receiving. Anything can happen Sunday, but I think it’s certainly in Allen’s favor right now especially coming off a game where they are looking to bounce back. What I’m more interested to see now since I first posted this months ago is who has the better game between Coleman and Diggs because I think this might be Coleman’s first breakout game coming off his mini breakout last week. I think Brady is going to don’t things this week…focus on getting back to effectively running the ball to open the pass game and look to get Coleman involved more and earlier to also open up the rest of the field. Personally I think Coleman could, or at least should, see a min of 7+ targets this week.

Yet Diggs averaged 8.9 ypc his last 10 games here too. 9.3 now in his first 4 in Houston. Meanwhile Nico Collins is leading the NFL in receiving.

That’s missing a lot of context. Houston has had to battle all 4 games start to finish. Bills had 2 pass attempts week 1 until 2 min left in the first half and then Allen went on to complete 18 total passes but to 9 different receivers while we scored 31 points in 31 minutes. Week 2 Cook took over and the Bills offense went on vacation the 2nd half. Week 3 Allen completed passes to 10 different receivers, scored 5 TDs on 5 drives, then again the offense took a vacation the second half. Through the first 3 games, the offense was on the field looking to pass just barely over 2 halves of football through 3 games and Allen hit 9 and 10 different receivers in those games. Diggs has 25 rec, 233 yards, 9.8 ypc, and 2 TDs. Shakir has 18 rec, 230 yards, 12.8 ypc, and 2 TDs. No disrespect, but these kind of comments are just misleading. Citing Diggs has more yards than our leading receiver creates a false positive assumption. Shakir in less opportunities has essentially the same yards and TDs on less catches. He’s clearly having a better season than Diggs at this point but you would not know that based on your very specific chosen phrasing. Coleman is averaging 15.8 ypc as well compared to Diggs 9.3 and he essentially played only a quarter week 3 after being benched first quarter and offense taking off the 2nd half. What Diggs is doing is Houston has little to no value for what our offense needs or is missing here. That doesn’t mean that someone else couldn’t help this team, it just means that Diggs having more yards is a completely irrelevant statement given the context of him have just 2 yards more despite significantly more opportunities through the context of their 4 games compared to ours.

I don't have an issue with the compensation of a 2nd, we have an extra one. I question he will be content and happy in our style of offense where he isn't being fed the ball constantly.

Thats the hope if you trade for him of course...but after getting rid of feed me the ball energy of Diggs, not sure Adams fits the locker room. What happens in a game like the Ravens game is happening and Adams has 4 targets because we are losing up front and the offense is out of rhythm again? Is he going to start complaining on the sidelines and showing frustration again like he does almost every game with the Raiders? That is the concern I think with him, if he isn't being fed the ball and we are struggling what does he do then? Again, I wouldn't hate him coming here, I even advocated for him last year. But this years approach is different, and not sure a guy like him isn't going to be the right fit as he will always feel he needs to be fed the ball. Which is fine if that is what you are pivoting to as an offense, but there is a case to be made that Josh is better not feeling the pressure to force a ball to someone.

I think Adams is one of the best WR's in football...but...are the Bills going to bring in someone who has complained about his lack of involvement during wins? A guy who keeps throwing his helmet and showing frustration on the sidelines more than Diggs ever did here? Maybe Adams would be on his best behavior here to be back with a stud QB like Allen, and I wouldn't be upset if we got him. But feels like a weird trade target given we just paid $31M to trade away a guy who created tension over his role in the offense that want's to feature everyone rather than focus on a primary receiver. https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/10/19/raiders-davante-adams-frustrated-by-role-despite-win-over-patriots- Again, I wouldn't be mad if Adams wound up on this team, I mean we all want a SB and bring on whoever helps us get there. But just not sure they are going to see him as the right fit for the locker room and philosophy. But man is still a beast on the field