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I think it is too early for Beane to know if this team is worth going all in on for one player. We looked elite 3 weeks and laid a dud our first big test. I think its more likley Beane will see how this team plays a couple more games before he can feel confident or not that going all in on one player could get us over the hump this year. But...what is working in our favor are 3 things: We looked unreal the first 3 weeks. Our dud game was a collective dud effort top to bottom...players both sides of the ball and coaches. I don't think everyone believes we are as bad as the team played against the Ravens. Most important - The top of the AFC does not look as daunting as it did in the preseason. KC may be the most vulnerable they have been with the losses they have taken too and don't seem to be a player on bringing in any significant help. Bringing in another WR does not mean they give up on the "everybody eats" moto. That isn't flawed, Josh should be looking to find the open man each play and not force feeding any WR on the field we would trade for. Like everyone, I badly want a Super Bowl. My stance is lets see what this team can do these next couple weeks. If we roll Texans and Jets I will be more for going all in on a player this year if it really looks like we can get over the hump. If we don't appear to be a player away, then I don't want to see us create more cap issues or lose premium pick(s) on a short aging rental. Exception - If Budda Baker is available, I am all for getting him regardless as he would be more than a short term rental as he is still 28 and one of the best safeties in football.

This was by far the best thing he said so far...he cooked Baker 😂

Yeah, Stingley will be a formidable challenge this week for the rook, and yeah how they are using Samuel has been a mystery to say the least. But I would expect to be less a mystery if Shakir missed the game and he would more play his role this week at least giving him hopefully more structure and purpose to maybe get involved. I have a feeling if Shakir has to miss this week we may see more 12 personnel too...although Jury is out if they can be effective with it still.

Honestly was one of the worst play calls I have seen both in design and timing. Not gonna hang Brady on it, he took full responsibility of how dumb it was and admitted it probably cost them their chance to get back in the game overall. So given his first 14 games he was 12-2 and the offense never had a day like this, I will give him the benefit of the doubt that this was a mistake and lesson he wont forget or make again

2 key things about this game regarding Diggs: No doubt Diggs will have some extra juice for this game, more so than he had for his first game back in Minny. No doubt CJ Stroud being a young player is going to feel real pressure to get Diggs the ball even if Diggs is not putting that pressure on him. CJ is a young QB and I can really see maybe not playing as freely as he should this week knowing the importance of this game to Diggs. I can easily see him pressing to get him the ball more and I think that could play into our favor.

Haha ok now I follow Although what happens to this theory if Samuel finally emerges and someone like Coleman or Kincaid has a big game haha, could back fire

Incorrect. Helps to read the full sentence...or better yet the whole post.

I get your frustration, but its not a mentality, its just the reality. Facts are we have $31m in Dead money to a WR not on the roster. That was a move they felt was in the best interest of the long term direction of the team. Beane had not planned on Diggs being traded this year when we extended him and then reworked his deal. But things changed and he pivoted. It is what it is. This was a offseason we had to shed a lot to fix the cap issue as quick as possible so they could keep investing in everything around Josh and not have to keep bargain shop as much on both sides of the ball to fill holes and depth. More importantly, this notion that the only way to invest in Josh's success is only via WR is flawed. They have invested in weapons, the OL and the run game to all support Josh. Biggest issue when Daboll was here was the OL and not being able to effectively run the ball. Everyone here and around the NFL kept saying it can't all be on Josh, he needs a run game. And since Brady took over and we finally could effectively run the ball, we are 12-3 and averaging 10 points more per game than Dorseys final 6 games here of force feeding Diggs. Allen just had his best 3 game stretch of his career to start the season. But by no means does that mean Beane is also done either. But investments to get Kincaid, build up the OL, get Cook, and Coleman are all for Josh's benefit. Keep in mind, over the last 3 drafts we have had 6 picks in the first 2 rounds, and 4 of them were help for Josh via TE, WR, OL, and RB. Over the past 5 drafts, our first pick in the draft was used on an offensive weapon 3 of those 5 picks. And every one of those picks are starting on this team right now except Diggs who was traded but still on our books

Huh? This a typo? Otherwise how does Shakir missing a game get us to the Super Bowl? If he even misses the game

I agree with all this

Where did I say he wasn't? You said TSW never wants to give up picks, and I said no, people are always more or less willing to trade all the time. See the plethora of the threads every time any name anyone knows is rumored to be available. Beane on the other hand is both aggressive and yet protective of his picks. He won't just throw picks away on half year rentals unless he is fully of the belief that trade puts us at the top of the heap to compete to win it all. I have repeatedly said Beane has proven he is aggressive when he sees a move he feels is the right move for the team or moves the needle. So he isn't afraid to move up in the draft or get a player long term like he did Diggs in his prime. But you are talking about old WR's who are likely short term rentals. Not a chance he gives up any picks for one unless he fully believes that the move puts Bills at the forefront of competing THIS year for a Super Bowl.

Personally I think there is no question before the season began that our Safeties were in worse shape than the overall collection of weapons for Allen on the offense. Especially given the importance of the position to McD's defense and veteran experience we lost with both Hyde and Poyer leaving. Don't get me wrong, it was time to move on, but I don't think anyone expected us to "get better" with Rapp, Edwards, Hamlin, and a rookie who missed a lot of camp from an injury. And in the Ravens game, the defense and especially the safeties were particularly bad.

We had a lot of holes to fill this year, you can't fix it all in one off-season, especially when you have cap constraints like having an additional $31M dead cap invested into the WR position to make moving on from Diggs possible. Meanwhile, Beane had just invested a first to bring Kincaid in the year before to be a weapon along side a TE they had just extended the year before to run more 12 personnel. Then they had Shakir emerging, signed Samuel, and used their first pick in the draft on a WR. But at no point has Beane ever once even suggested he is done. There is no doubt Beane and the Bills will 100% be investing more into the WR position again this offseason, and if he thinks this team can get over the top this year, he may make a move before the deadline if the right deal is there.

I get where you are coming from, and normally I wouldn't disagree with this as I have advocated hard in the past for a WR, even to go get Adams the past 2 seasons. I badly wanted to see someone else opposite Diggs than Davis. But I do think you underestimate just how good Baker is and how important Safety is to this defense. And after watching the Ravens game, I would be pretty stoked to see him in a Bills uniform, not to mention he is one of my favorite Non-Bills players around the league. Not saying we will or should go Safety over WR, but Baker unquestionably would be a significant upgrade to our secondary. Wonder if there is a way they could add both Baker and one of the WR's that are being most discussed here (Adams, Hopkins, Cooper). Off the top of the head feels impossible from a cap perspective, but then again, thats above my pay grade and for Beane to figure out lol

Nah...this is incorrect...its Beane. Most people here are willing to give up picks more than Beane is. He has talked in length about the importance of the picks, building talent through the draft as a strategy to manage the cap, etc.

All good, just more coming from the perspective that the vast majority of players we are allegedly in on we find out later was never true. And yeah, I just don’t think Beane is gonna throw away a premium pick in first 4 rounds for a half year rental unless he believes that one player could put us over the top for a SB. And coming off the Ravens game, pretty hard to say what this team is or isn’t as the whole team and coaches all had a bad week. But just my 2 cents based on how Beane covets his picks and what he’s stated this offseason. But, I also wouldn’t be surprised if Beane made a move, he’s proven to me to be aggressive when he wants to make a move. But if he does make a move now, I think it’s because he really believes it could put us over the top this season.

That’s assuming Beane has any real interest in bring him here, there is still a question about fit. And that’s how GMs work, they don’t just throw out offers or low ball other GMs every time a player is available. They may have a convo, but doesn’t mean they make an offer and most of the time don’t. I am still not sure Beane makes any major moves for a WR, S, LB or any position until we get closer to trade the deadline, if at all. I can’t see Beane over reacting to one game and more waiting to see if this team is truly a contender for a Super Bowl where one player could make the difference. If we lose some games and show we aren’t really a player away this year then I think Beane will be less inclined to do anything in season this year personally. So for me, I have doubts Beane is making any offers right until he sees more from this team on the field and knows if a half year rental for a pick he covets moves the needle enough to give that pick(s) up. Doesn’t mean I’m correct, just my 2 cents based on how he has operated during he’s tenure here, what he has said about this year already, and what he has said his plans moving forward are.

While they may make an offer, I don’t think there is “no doubt” we will. The majority of the time the “Bills” are linked to someone we find out later it wasn’t true. For example, if Raiders called us, they will still say we were one of the teams even if Beane just took the call but never made any offer.

Budda would make a big difference here, he’s a beast and S is a big position in McDs defense. I would be all for a LB too though.

Teams are definitely going after him for sure each week

And that’s a pretty darn good player in my book

I mean I don’t think Beane has ever given the impression he is done adding WR talent to this team. What he said was he doesn’t feel like Josh is in the same place he was when we traded for Diggs where Allen needs an elite WR1 to elevate Josh’s game. Which is was saying as the reason why he didn’t feel the need (with $31m in dead cap already to a WR off the roster) he had to go trade a bunch of assets and over pay someone like Aiyuk. But make no mistake about it, he is going to still draft another WR this next year or acquire one via trade or FA. And if one comes available in season at a bargain he can take on where he doesn’t kill the cap moving forward and have to over pay in draft assets, I am sure he will at least kick the tires.

Thanks for posting this. That second clip is the play I was talking about many times since the game where Coleman beat his one on one deep for a would be TD had O’Cyrus didn’t get Allen nearly killed on a sack. Coleman was close to having a big game between that play and the unfortunate drop. Its why I said the silver lining might be this mini breakout where they hopefully look to get Coleman going early. As I said in another thread already, look for Coleman to get at least 7+ targets this week as I think they are going start getting him more involved moving forward.

Ha yup and most often the Bills never were involved to begin with. I will be a little surprised if he’s not a Jet before our game against them.

This. I have no complaints weeks 1 - 3 for obvious reasons. 9 people caught the ball week 1, Cook dominated week 2 and we took the 2nd half off, week 3 10 people caught passes and again took the 2nd half off...no one is gonna have high usage stats under those great circumstances. BUT...Baltimore was supposed to be most vulnerable up the middle of that defense and if there was ever a game to get 12 personnel going it was that one. Yet for the first time in 13 games with Brady it was the first one where I felt like he did not have the right plan. I will say this...execution on the field killed us too when we were getting momentum at times. The OL was getting worked and confused up front, the stupid trick play, Kincaid and Keon with 2 key drops in the first half, and dumb penalties. Still, even though we had moments where we seemed to get into a rhythm (before shooting our own selves in the foot), I don't understand why we didn't utilize both TE's more. I have defended Mack as having value, and mostly as a blocker, both this offseason and during the season. And he has done just that. But at no point was he ever to be more than 5th or 6th target at best in our offense. When we are looking to get the ball moving through the pass game we need to either get Samuel going (another mystery) along side Keon and Shakir, or we need to get into 12 personnel and get Knox involved as well with Keon and Shakir out there with them. Knox had 15 TD's the 2 seasons before drafting Kincaid and that was with relatively low usage. Dorsey completely forgot he was on the team and Brady hasn't really gotten him involved yet either. I do trust Brady more to find a way to get the right personnel out there compared to Dorsey. So I hope he grows from that Raven game and starts looking at what an asset the 12 personnel can be with these 2 guys in games like that. Doesn't mean every week it makes the most sense, I like varying our approach based on our opponent.