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Yeah he’s fully capable of a bigger season, maybe even a big season if he was in position to get a nice target share. But with Diggs, Davis, and Crowder along with Cook, Howard and McKenzie seeing some targets to go along with a run game we likely implement more, I just don’t see him getting enough targets to be anything more than a 500-600 yard season, if that. Now if someone gets hurt, or maybe Dorsey is allergic to running like Daboll was for 3/4 of the season, then it certainly raises his target potential and what his ceiling will be. So I would much rather wrap him up sooner rather than later to be safe.

I mean, they didn’t have a lot of choice here. I don’t think he is worth that much simply because I feel he lacks the leadership intangibles I would want for this kind of financial commitment. But the market is what the market is. That being said, the talent is there, so AZ didn’t have much choice here other than to pay market for a young talented QB and just have to hope he matures as a player and a leader. Josh Allen deal is going to be a steal for most of his career.

To be honest, I am not expecting statistically to see a big jump from Knox. That is NOT a knock on him by any means. We just have a LOT of mouths to feed this year and Josh loves to spread the ball around, plus I think Davis is going to break out. We also went undefeated the rest of the season and had dominant offensive performances all the way up to the KC heartbreaker once we started running the football consistently. So I fully expect our run game to be more involved throughout the year. And now we also added James Cook who is gonna take more targets away too, not to mention OJ Howard should see some too. So as good as I believe Knox is and will be, I’m not seeing a big statistical jump just solely by the amount of weapons we have and my expectation of the run game being more consistently involved throughout the season. I would love to lock Knox up though early just in case though.

So my wife pointed out to me that the game in Miami is super cheap! Airfare and hotel is like $500 a person from LA non stop and great seats are like $180 a ticket. So we can get great seats and cover all travel with direct flights on Jet Blue for about $750 a person to go to the Miami game in Miami. We have never been to Miami, so we are thinking of hitting that game as well. We can do a game in Buffalo and a game in Miami, both with good seats, for cheaper than one Rams game with similar good seats that’s in our own backyard at SoFi. And I’m talking we can do both games combined…including tickets, flights, hotel for less than equivalent tickets would be at SoFi. The kind of good tickets we can get from $200-400 in Miami and Buffalo respectively would be over $2000 a ticket at SoFi.

Here is what is crazy... Ive been looking at tickets for the Rams game because a suite invite we got back in May is looking like its gonna fall through with couple that was getting now looking like they wont be in town. I live 6 miles from SoFi here in CA. For the price of 2 decent tickets, I can instead buy flights, hotel, and better tickets in Buffalo to watch the Monday night game in Buffalo week 2 than just go to the game at SoFi. Its freaking nuts. So started looking for tickets again, and its crazy. I know a lot of people who normally I could get tickets from, but they are either going or just can sell for too much money right now, which I dont blame them either way. Anyone I know who has decent to good seats is able to sell them for $900 to $2000 a ticket. Its like this is a playoff ticket or something, its absurd. Affordable tickets are the high nose bleed seats where I will spend most the time watching the jumbo tron while I eat crappy over priced food and drink $18 beers. If I am gonna just watch a game on a screen, I might as well do it at home on my 85" Sony and beach party all day with friends and BBQ up some bomb food and drink what I want. Then instead, fly to Buffalo for the Monday night game and have way more fun. Never would I have ever thought in a million years I would consider skipping a Bills game in my own backyard...but at these prices, I think I would rather go to Buffalo for another game with better seats and for less money and better tailgate.

I agree Allen is the scariest for DCs to plan for heading into this year, and Herbert is up there too, but I’d still put Mahomes number 2. I mean he is the closest to Josh Allen in terms of total scary package of passing, escaping, running, improvising, throwing on the run, and clutch factor. I feel like Allen and Mahomes are more like 1A and 1B.

That’s fair enough, but at the same time had Josh Allen been in that game his ability with his legs could have opened a lot more opportunities. More just pointing out that Rodgers is as human as any other QB to the person I was replying to/. And Allen possesses skills other don’t that can lend to countering those tougher defense too.

I mean, its not even a question who the best QB in that era was, and it was Tyrod Taylor. Every statistical metric shows this to be correct. At that time (before Josh got here), those Tyrod years were the 2nd highest scoring period of Bills football in history, and with awful coaching that included a defensive minded moron as HC. He made 2 pro bowls, he made the playoffs throwing to Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamin, had a very good TD to INT ratio (also one of his short comings as he didnt take enough chances), and was saddled with terrible defenses. The year Rex was fired, going into week 17 the Bills were tied for 3rd for most TD's scored that year behind only Saints and Falcons, and only by 3 TD's. They would sit Tyrod week 17 and we scored nothing and would fall to 5th or 6th in scoring as a result. The following season, our new HC sat him against a lowly Chargers team to watch us get destroyed by a bad team, a team with only 2 wins on the season (both against bad teams) and was on a 3 game losing streak. This team was a train wreck with Tyrod off the field compared to with him on it where we were solid, but not great. Bledsoe was utterly awful here, a turnover machine with way more turnovers than TD's. And he couldn't even beat the steelers backups to make the playoffs despite having 2 stud weapons to throw to and a good run game around him. Flutie...he couldn't even keep his job over Rob Johnson. Fitzcraptrick...outside a couple fluke games, he couldn't score points and would blow up anytime something mattered. Its an AWFUL list of QB's overall, but the only competent one on that list that accomplished anything what so ever on the field was Tyrod. He was a game manager type QB at best, but had that added dimension of being able to use his legs, which he probably actually should have used more given his limitations as a passer. He didnt take enough chances, he wasn't going to out duel someone through the air, but he was a guy you could make the playoffs with as long as your defense wasn't a disaster so he wasnt in shoot outs. Rex led defenses were atrocious, and thats why we couldn't get into the post season. Enter McD, Tre White, and Milano that first year, the defense rebounds to solid and we have a winning season (should have been 10 wins if not for the Chargers mistake) and make playoffs while Tyrod lost his top 2 WRs of Watkins and Woods and now was forced to throw to Kelvin Benjamin and Zay Jones. Only proper list IMHO is: Tyrod then Fitz then Flutie. And thats a sad F-ing list so who really cares. Its really like asking which dog has the worst smelling poop...they all stink.

How many points did the Packers score when they got bounced by Jimmy G led 49ers? A QB they are now trying to get rid of by the way... Bills averaged 41.5 points per game in the playoffs this year. Josh Allen had 9 TD's, 0 turnovers and in one game had more TD"s than incompletions. Josh Allen is 2nd in NFL history to only Dan Marino for most TD's thus far through his career. He has one of the highest playoff QB ratings in history. So, while I don't really have a problem if someone still finds Rodgers scarier (which lets be honest, has probably more to do with resume than where they are today as QB's) than Allen because he is still elite. But to flat out state there is no chance Allen is scarier than Rodgers highly suggests you seem to think there is this wide gap between, which IMHO is completely wrong. There is not one single thing Rodgers can do that Allen can not also do. BUT...there are multiple things that Allen can do that Rodgers not only cant do today, but never could do at any point in his career. Allen can make every throw Rodgers can and probably a couple Rodgers cant. Allen make plays with his legs that not only Rodgers cant, but no QB in the NFL can make, not even Lamar. So when the question is about who is scarier to defend...its easy to see why someone would say Allen, because there is a lot more you have to defend when facing Allen than Rodgers. And quite frankly, I will add in that Allen is also better at motivating his teammates and making everyone around him better...where Rodgers will immediately throw teammates under the bus after a loss, just like the Niners loss last year in the post game press conference.

I hate it when people say “Andy Dalton”. We would have won 10 games instead of 9 had Tyrod started against Chargers. I was at that game, and Chargers were a losing team, only had 2 close wins over bad teams and were on a 3 game losing streak. Tyrod came in 2nd half and was moving the ball no problem. I was at that game and other Charger games that year. No one can convince me we still lose if Tyrod starts that game against that bad team. So for me, his legacy is as a class act, good teammate who was solid but not great and helped snap the 17 year drought. Two pro bowls, highest scoring era outside the SB years up that time (Allen offense obviously surpassed that now too making Tyrod era now 3rd highest scoring bills era), and saddled with terrible coaching. He should not be crapped on. Don’t have to think he was great (which he wasn’t great), but he wasn’t remotely as bad as his naysayers say and doesn’t deserve the venom some people spit at him.

Too soon bro…too soon.

Serious question: Why do you feel the need to take something and utterly grossly exaggerate it all the time to over dramatize something on the board? No one said he was a bad OC, but here you are exaggerating the critique of some of his decisions as if everyone is saying he sucks or something. I think its more than fair to question running your $250M QB on first down between the tackles off the snap. Not really something you want to see a lot of. Or critiquing the times he would try and get too cute or tricky in critical moments instead of just running their best play. None of that translates into saying he was a bad OC, but like any coach or player, for as good as they are there are still things that need to improve or could have been done better. And everyone and their mom knows the weakest area for Daboll was in the run game. He did a good job here overall and was definitely worthy of landing a HC gig, but even the "hottest candidate the last 2 years" is a bit dramatic. I mean he got 2 interviews the year before and didn't get offered a job and was passed over by Chargers and Jets and had to return for another year in Buffalo instead.

Im not talking removing using his legs by any means, its a big part of his game. BUT...I am saying stop running FB/RB style runs with our QB straight up the gut of the defense off the snap into tons of contact for no reason. Josh is not a RB, he is a QB, and too often Daboll ran him up the middle right into defenders as if he was a FB. And those types of runs were not a big part of our success, it was his least successful designed run in terms of YPC and he always takes hits because there is no time to get down as he is running right up the gut into defenders off the snap. Allen is substantially more effective with his legs when the designed run is to the outside or its a run after he has dropped back to pass and either takes off by design or takes off because the lane is there and he doesn't have his targets open down field. All of his longest runs up the middle were after he has dropped back to pass first and then took off, not taking it off the snap inside the tackles. So by all means, let Josh run for sure. But lets get him running in space more on roll outs, sweeps with blockers, or when the targets aren't open down field where he can get chunk yardage and still get down or out of bounds to avoid the hit.

Not sure I follow you here...I didn't say anything pertaining to what you responded with. In fact, I said do not remove the QB sneaks because its almost a guaranteed successful play based on Allens career with a only a couple that didnt work. I was critical of Dabolls unnecessary attempt at being tricky on the goal line one against Ten instead of just lining up from the get go to run the sneak so Josh could get set and not rush getting into position because he was shifting back from shotgun to over center.

Im not blaming it all on Daboll, but it was a stupid and unnecessary movement that fooled no one. One of many examples where Daboll tries to be too creative in a critical moment instead of just running his best play. If you’re gonna sneak it there, get to the line and sneak it. Don’t waste time moving Josh around and adding in the opportunity for him to not get his best push off the ball. Watch him sneak it every other time and you can see the difference and why he never got his feet and balance set like he normally does when he just lines up right at the LOS and rams it down their throat.

They need to remove all Josh runs designed for RB's essentially up the middle. Far too often Daboll STUPIDLY called Allens number for power inside runs or draws up the middle off the snap, and not like 3rd and 1 type things, talking first down 2nd and long stuff. Josh is MOST effective running when taking off after nothing opens up down field or on some of the blocked sweeps outside. His shortest YPC and where he takes the most damage are these stupid runs up the middle like he is a FB or something. I mean its right into the beef of the defense and no one is cleared out even because its right off the snap. When Allen breaks big runs up the middle, its after he has dropped back to pass and saw an opening to take off where the middle is wide open and can get free then get down to avoid contact. When its right off the snap, there is no avoiding contact and puts Josh at risk for injury or even a fumble. To be clear, I am not suggesting removing QB Sneaks, his conversion percentage makes this an almost guarantee when he runs it. I mean I can only recall a couple times where he didn't convert and the only meaningful one being the Titans game where stupid Daboll tried to be tricky having Josh start in shotgun and move to the line where he didn't get his feet set and slipped. But I PRAY these inside power runs off the snap and other dumb run calls left with Daboll. For as good as Daboll could be at times, he could also be unbelievably stupid with things like this.

On the betting site I use it’s +2600 so I just threw down $25 on it. If Bills play well against top level opponents with some statement wins and lock up the #1 seed in the much tougher AFC he will win it.

Lol terribly misleading title @Chandler#81 😂

COY votes are done before the playoffs. Its a regular season award, post season is not factored in

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Funny, very early on when people kept trying to compare Josh to Cam Newton (which some still foolishly do), I kept pushing back and saying no, thats the wrong comparison. Maybe in the ability to run with strength, but all comparisons stopped there. For me, since Josh's rookie year, the real comparison was always Steve Young. Not sure how old everyone is here, but at 45 (soon to be 46 on Monday) I got to watch Steve Youngs career as I lived in the Central Valley of CA during that time. And he IMHO is an all time great QB and was one of the funnest QB's to watch of his time. He was an elite QB first and foremost, who could kill your defense at a moments notice with his legs, extend plays, and throw with precision on the run. Everything about Josh Allens game reminds me a lot of young in terms of style...but Allen just has an even bigger arm and an even more gifted and powerful runner. But stylistically I think they are similar players. And truth be told, I think Josh Allen has the potential to be a lot better than even Steve Young was. I am not gonna get ahead of myself here, but just looking at his trajectory, talent, unique abilities, and his constant improvement...Josh has the potential to reach top 5 all time discussions by the time his career is over. Doesn't mean he will get there, its gonna take sustained success, consistency, good health, and probably more than one SB title to enter top 5 discussions. But, its not often you can talk about a young player and see a path to where he could be top 5 all time. For example...I can look around the league and see younger or veteran guys who have pro-bowl or even HOF potential...but not many you can look at and say, this guy could finish top 5 all time potentially when his career is over. Few show that type of potential...guys like Mahomes and Allen do though.

Hahaha not the first time we have agreed on something I was one of them

This is how I look at it: Is there any other QB where Josh Allen can not do all the things they are capable of doing? Answer: NO Is there any other QB that can do ALL the things that Josh Allen can do? Answer: NO Its really just that simple. If you look at all of todays best QB's, and even all the greatest QB's in history...can any of them do things Josh Allen can't? There really isn't any example of anyone that is capable of things Josh isn't capable of doing himself. And yet, if you look at all the things Josh can do, there is no QB in history capable of doing everything he can do on the field. And honestly, the closest is Patrick Mahomes. But even compared to Mahomes, there are just things Allen can do with his legs and running ability that Pat can't even though Pat is also quite good with his legs himself. So I do really think Palmer is correct here...doesn't mean Josh is, or will be, the greatest to ever play. It takes more than talent and physical gifts to reach those accolades. But talent to talent comparison, I don't think Palmer is wrong.

I would argue he also hit technically on the Ray Ray pick given at where he was drafted, you really are often looking for ST contributions at that point in the draft and he is a starting ST player still in the league for the Steelers.

All good, I see it similar but different. McD absolutely has a bigger role in the culture change, don’t disagree with you. But when the GM comes in and decides not to pick up the rookie 5th year option and then trades what is widely considered your most talented, and young, offensive player in Watkins because he no longer fits into the long term plans…well that sends a message immediately about the culture. Along with the other moves I discussed prior. But all this is splitting hairs. We are only even discussing this because Einstein foolishly has been trying discredit Beanes success overall and the first playoff run got mentioned. At this point, who cares about 2017…this is about a few people here who are foolishly trying to slam Beane and minimize the job he’s done since arriving in Buffalo. Which quite frankly is one of the most ridiculous and dumbest things I’ve ever seen on this board.