Alphadawg7

Here is what I think a lot of people don't realize or just flat our forget about sometimes. The defense is a cohesive unit. What one area does makes life easier or harder on other areas of the defense. For example...pass rush is greatly impacted by how well the secondary is playing, especially when we rush our front 4 only so much. The better the coverage, the more time the pass rush has to get home on the QB. On the flip side, the secondary benefits greatly when the front 7 are playing well and at least bringing pressure. The less time a QB has to throw, the less time the secondary has to hold its coverage. The longer the seconary has to hold the coverage, the bigger advantage the WR tends to have. Its what makes Josh Allen so good on his ability to extend plays and our WRs like Diggs to come back and find holes for allen to throw to. Now...what we have seen is we have been missing all of, or 3/4 of our starting secondary for many games this season. We have also been missing Edmunds the last 6 quarters who is a very big part of our pass defense, and our second best pass rusher who already had 6 sacks before missing the last 2 games in Groot. So we have been missing not just guys, but some of the best players on our D, several of which are amongst the best in the NFL at their respective positions like Hyde, Poyer, and Tre. Then our #1 pick this year and #1 pick last year have missed time too, both of which have been significant contributors this season in both pass rush and pass defense respectively. I am much more worried about the neutered offense which has mostly been healthy than I am about our defense which has been crushed by injuries.

I said we won the game. It was over. Then…Allen fumbled the game away. And our defense was doing fine until we lost Edmunds in the second half. Tre had nothing to do with why we lost.

Thank you for an honest take. That is sadly a rare thing on this board, and it's a refreshing surprise. Although I am not suprised its coming from you since you have long been an even keeled and logical poster. Doesn't mean people have to be on board with resigning him, but it was categorically proven over the last 6 quarters of football that this defense is worse without Edmunds. And when Edmunds was missing games and playing hurt in the past, the defense was worse. I am still on the fence about resigning him based on what it might cost and our cap situation. But I can tell you two things I am sure of...this defense degrades when two of our pending FA's are not in the game...Poyer and Edmunds. And the fact both may not be back next year is a lot to worry about, especially for the crowd that does NOT want to draft defense early next year. I just can't fathom Beane will let both walk, and honestly both may be retained still too. But if we do lose both Poyer and Edmunds and enter the draft with big holes at MLB and Safety to go along with needing WR and OL help, well that is going to be a lot of holes to try and fill in one off season.

Yet we wont the game until Josh Allen fumbled the game away Or he just isnt ready. You aren't a doctor, nor have you examined him.

Oh I agree, but despite all that happened in each game, it also came down to something as simple as a missed FG in Miami (not to mention a fumbled FG snap at end of half by backup snapper), and missed FG against Jets, and a fumbled snap by Allen. Each of those games, despite any other issues those games, could have been won if not for those single plays. My main point was just that it was offensive issues that cost us those games, not Tre White not playing. None of that had anything to do with Tre is the point. We had chances to win all 3 games, and basically had won the Vikings game, but the offense lost us all 3.

It’s not over a year, it won’t even be a year until thanksgiving. No two players recover the same. Tre is not why we have 3 losses. All 3 losses are on the offense and Bass. Playoffs are substantially more important than regular season.

Cleared to play and ready to play are not remotely the same thing though. He was cleared to return to practice sure. But he still hasn’t played a down of football in a year. He still has to get into game shape, he still has to test the injury and see how it’s responding, he still has to rebuild all the strength and ability to cut and change directions, etc etc. Sorry, no disrespect but he will be ready when he’s ready. The absolute worst thing to do would be to rush him back into the game. And the reality is…we lost to Vikings because we fumbled the game away after the game was over. We lost to Dolphins because Bass missed a FG, we lost to Jets because they hit their 50+ yard FG and we missed ours. In other words, if not for the offense, we would be undefeated right now. Tre is not the problem. For people to pile on someone not coming back sooner from a serious injury is not really fair to Tre.

Where did you get your medical degree? Also, can you share your notes with us from when you examined Tre and worked with him on his rehab so we can all be on the same page as you with this over the top demand you have placed on him.

Man you want everything to be a thing

What is all this foolishnes? Our D has been substantially worse the last 6 quarters with Edmunds out. In fact I said multiple times today that I don’t want to hear how our defense is better without him. It’s been categorically proven it’s worse when he has been out. The posts in this thread tonight mocking Edmunds is literally the stupidest narrative I’ve seen on this board all year. Congrats on achieving an all time worse analysis. You either don’t understand football, didn’t watch the last 6 quarters of play, or he slept with your wife. That’s the only three options possible for such a completely ridiculous narrative you’ve tried to take here.

No disrespect but I hate this cliche. When you’re missing a top tier S, top tier CB and your first round pick in the secondary…to go along with your 2nd year first round pass rusher and your pro bowl MLB who is team leader in tackles…it’s not so easy to replace them. Next man up is strictly a motivational statement, it’s not rooted at all in reality or context of the real world situation. You don’t take away 5 of your best players and say “next man up” and expect backups to play to all their levels. There may not be a more over used and more over exaggerated phrase in all of sports than “next man up”.

Stop. This isn’t about opinion. This is about people like you so desperately want this to be true that you will sit here for almost 50 pages trying to will it into existence. And it’s totally your schtick. You do this all season and off season long. You look for any sliver of negative doubt you can sow about everything. And I am “violently opposed to it” as you out it BECAUSE ITS ALL MADE UP. If there is a REAL issue, I’d be all over talking about it. But yeah, I don’t like to live in the world of make believe and fake news. I leave that to politicians. I prefer to stay grounded in reality and talk about real stories and facts. But I get this thread is your Christmas play ground for your negativity addiction.

Well considering there are no rumored internal issues at OBD, this post relates to this thread as much as any post about your manufactured fake thread story here.

The stats are deceiving. A number of those 2nd half snaps are kill the clock runs. Which is why his YPC is so different. He gets the ball as part of the offense trying to score probably 2-1 more in the first half than the second half. More importantly, 92 ATT through 9 games is pathetic. He should be over 120 at the very least and really be at 135+ total attempts. Devin had 16 points early in the game for me against Vikings in fantasy. He finished with 16 points. They stopped using him...again...despite 2 early TD's and him running so well. He starts the game strong consistently, then he goes to sporadicially getting the ball and all the other RB's starting to mix in. Its like they think Devin only has enough gas for the first 1.5 quarters of the game. ITS SO FRUSTRATING DORSEY! GIVE HIM THE BALL MORE!

Still find it funny y’all turned an off the cuff comment deep at end of a tweet that was clearly just an opinion based observation comment into this whole make believe controversy of now 42 pages. It’s funny how hard some of you try to manufacture something out of nothing.

This is literally one of the worst posts I’ve read all year.

Wake me once you’ve made one good post or comment. Just one. Not a lot to ask.

SUCKS. I have Kupp and Diggs on the same fantasy team and had been crushing lol. At least I still alos have St. Brown at WR, thank god I didnt trade him. Also lost Ertz for the season on the same team this week

So what, we are 3-0 in our last 3 games at Arrowhead. Our official record says 2-1 thanks to a bone headed blunder by a ST Coordinator who is now in Jax causing chaos by not telling our kicker to squib it. This whole notion we can't win in KC is loser talk. We beat them decisively twice and basically beat them a third time when both QB's played out of their mind if not for a self inflicted blunder and bad luck of a coin toss. So Josh is on pace to shatter the total yards mark by 500 yards and you on here panicking? Got it.

Dude you couldn't be more off base. Just because I stick to facts doesn't make me a denier of facts. If there is a REAL issue, not some fake made up one by you doom and gloomers, then great, I would accept it. But you guys in here making up an entirely non existent scenerario from taking a comment at the end of a tweet as some sort coded gospel to what you all want to hear. Again, this is our society. People like you scour every word to manufacturer something that fits their narrative and actual facts and truth are not taken with face value anymore. You specifically do this a LOT. No disrespect, but you do. You spend 95% of your time on this board trying to find any shred of anything to make something a negative point of view. To be honest, you need a new schtick. You might be one of the least objective posters on this entire board. If it aint negative, you don't like it.

28 pages about a personal thought, observation, opinion. Literally nothing he said remotely suggests there is an issue. He, as a journalist, stated their are internal issues because we lost 2 games where we beat ourselves. Things we need to solve because its been self inflicted. Literally nothing he said reads as if there is an unreported, but yet known, issue of some internal drama. Further proof of that would be that he would have written more specifically about that because nothing else he wrote would get the attention and clicks talking about internal drama would have gotten. You guys are just trying to force a story here off someones off the cuff comment. This is the problem with society today, they manufacture stories to fit narratives they want to see.

No he has not. The fact you said that tells me you don't know anything about football or you are too rooted in your biased opinion to remain objective. So you are saying Josh had a bad first half against the Vikings? Are you serious? Why because Devin got two of the TD's instead of Allen throwing them? What a ridiculous and ill informed comment. 2 of his 3 mistakes were the fumble at end of game and pick in OT. But keep saying the ignorant statement he has been bad for 11 straight quarters. Man this board is ridiculous.

Geezus...2 weeks ago he was way out in front as the MVP. Last week he was tied still as the fave for MVP. Guy has a couple bad moments in the 2nd half of a couple games and now all of a sudden everything Allen has done is forgotten and people grossly over exaggerate the situation. This board is impossible to keep even keel. Its always one extreme to the next.

You clearly didn’t read the post

I warned everyone not to overlook Miami all off season. Kept saying that if Tua can just be solid or better that offense would be very dangerous with all that speed. And while I don't think he is in the class of Allen and Mahomes talent wise, he is having a great season and a legit MVP candidate right now. I hated the fact Miami picked up Jeff Willson, watched him play a lot with my my wife being a Niners fan and just loved how he plays. He legitimately makes them a better team too. I would have LOVED to have landed Wilson here. I am not worried about the Jets, their lack of offense will be an achilles heal and they will drop some more games. But Dolphins are a legit threat to win the division to us with us being 0-2 in the division right now. We don't need to win the division to make the SB, but it would sure be better to play Miami at home than go to Miami to play.