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Lol...so you literally ignore all the facts that were stated to you and just revert back to this stance of the Chiefs being this big bad boogeyman. Lol, so weird they weren't that same unstoppable force to the teams they faced the week after curb stomping the Bills defense.

Since joining the Bills, here is Jerry Hughes performance with Frazier and without Frazier. With Frazier (5 seasons): Hughes averaged 4.4 sacks a season, with only 1 season with more than 5 (7 in 2018). Without Frazier (5 seasons): Hughes averaged 8 sacks a season, with 3 seasons of 9+ and only 1 season under 5 sacks. That includes 9 sacks this year when he was supposed to be washed and playing on one of the worst teams in football. Doesn't that show a picture of how it is more Frazier and his system than the player when that player is performing at a much higher level when not being coached by Frazier? The issue is they don't hand out Lombardi trophies for regular season performances. It doesn't matter what you do in the regular season, come playoff time, its a whole new season of win or go home and against the better to best teams in the NFL. And Frazier has shown to come up small in those moments too many times, with too many critical mistakes.

You say that, yet in the 2 playoff games against the Chiefs, the Bills gave up an average of 40 points per game. In the Chiefs next games each of those years the Chiefs scored an average of 16.5 points per game, both losses. So you want to claim the Chiefs are this big bad unstoppable force, yet the Chiefs lost their next game BOTH times they Beat Buffalo in the playoffs and averaged LESS than HALF in points scored than what they averaged against us. Chiefs vs Bills - Average 40 points per game. Chiefs vs next opponent - Average 16.5 points per game. So yeah, this excuse of "well its the Chiefs" is nothing more than an excuse, and a bad one at that, that doesn't hold water.

Jerry Hughes since arriving in Buffalo: 5 years in Fraziers defense - averaged 4.4 sacks per season, only managing to break 5 once when he got 7 in 2018. 5 years NOT in Fraziers defense (4 in Buffalo, and this year in Houston) - averaged 8 sacks, and 3 times had 9 or more sacks, including this year in Houston at the tail end of his career. 2021-22 season: Bills 42 sacks and #1 ranked defense. Bengals 42 sacks and #16 ranked defense. Bills get gashed and fail to get any pressure on Mahomes, giving 42 points including 2 TD's and a FG in less than the final 2 minutes of regulation and OT. Our inability to disrupt Mahomes in the playoffs AGAIN is bad the team spends $8 Billion dollars on Von Miller the next year at age 33. Bengals the very next week harass Mahomes all 2nd half and allow only THREE points and hold them to 24 as they beat them and go to the SB. But keep absolving Frazier as if he has nothing to do with our struggles to get sacks or affect Mahomes enough to win a game in playoffs. Let alone Burrow either.

To be fair, the whole defense crapped the best against the Bengals, everyone. Singling him out is irrelevant for that game. Point is, AJE put up 6.5 sacks this year despite a part time role in a defense that wasn't overall great at sacking the QB. I honestly wonder what he might do in a different defense. And here is why below... Jerry Hughes last 3 seasons in Buffalo, he had 4.5 sacks, 4.5 sacks, and then 2 sacks his last year. A total of 11. His first season in Houston when he was considered on the last year or two of his career he had 9 sacks. Since arriving in Buffalo, Hughes has had 5 seasons without Frazier (4 here, 1 in Houston) and 5 seasons with Frazier. Without Frazier: Hughes has averaged 8 sacks a season, including getting 9 this year on one of the worst teams in football at the tail end of his career. In the 5 seasons without Frazier he has put up 9 or more sacks 3 times. With Frazier: Hughes has averaged just 4.4 sacks a season, and only 1 season with more than 4.5 when he got 7 in 2018. Without Frazier he only had one season with less than 5 sacks...with Frazier every season but one 7 sack season was under 5 sacks. So I have legit quesitons on how much of it is the player or the system/scheme we run here. I watched a 16th ranked Bengals defense who had the same number of sacks as the Bills #1 ranked defense last year go on to terrorize Mahomes and hold the Chiefs to 3 second half points on their way to the SB. A week after the Chiefs offense embarrassed the Bills D, couldn't get any pressure, and gave up 3 scores inside the final 2 min of the game and opening drive of OT. Personally, I think AJE has shown ability and I question if this is the defense that can help him reach his peak, whatever that may be. I am hoping with Frazier gone, that maybe now we might see some changes that will help our young guys take more steps forward. Not saying AJE will suddenly break out, but I do suspect the defense we have run thus far has been part of the problem.

Curious...do you, or any of the other people who think AJE contributed nothing realize that he had 6.5 sacks this year in a part time role? I don't think we should trade Hyde, if Poyer isn't back, we will need the veteran play of Hyde back there to keep things stable. Hamlin was not good in coverage even though he did contribute as a tackler. I am on board with trading Oliver, I don't think they can or should pay him next year. He is a very streaky player and seems dependent on the guys around him to succeed and I don't like paying big contracts to guys who struggle to impact the game on their own. Mitch I think could be cut because they can save quite a bit cutting him. Not sure a concussion prone center has much trade value. And I still wouldn't rule out retiring either after more concussion issues and seeing Hamlin situation on the field. Josh Allen mentioned retirement as something some were considering after that tragedy on the field, about how it put some things into a different perspective. He didn't name anyone specific, but Morse seems like he could be one of those guys. Not sure who they restructure, or how many. I think anyone is candidate, including Josh Allen who I think can give them the biggest savings in a single restructure. I can see both as cut candidates for cap reasons. But the team does really like both these guys, and McKenzie comes off the books next year. So not sure these guys get cut or not, but I can see them both staying or leaving. I really like McKenzie, he is fun and good for the team and locker room. But if he is back this year, his role needs to revert back that of a gadget player like 4th or 5th on the depth chart. We someone less one dimensional who can contribute better from the slot.

No offense here, but why do people only focus on the 13 seconds of the KC game? Our defense gave up a TD and a FG in under the final 2 minutes of that game and then laid down for another easy TD in OT on its way to giving up 42 points to a team that would go on to lose the next week only scoring only 24 points against the 16th ranked Defense. Buffalo had the #1 ranked defense that year, and yet the defense was dominated. Bengals 16th ranked defense dominated the Chiefs offense in the 2nd half the next week and allowed only 3 points in the entire second half. Buffalo and Cincy both had the same number of sacks on the season too at 42, so you can't even say their defense was better at getting to the QB. Our #1 ranked defense gave up 3 scores in less than 2 min of the end of regulation and opening drive of OT. Lets not forget, Frazier and what was the #1 ranked defense at that time gave up another FG in less time, 12 seconds, at the end of the half again this year to KC. It was far more than 13 seconds with Frazier. In all our playoff losses since Frazier has arrived, we have given up an average of 152 yards rushing per game in those losses, and all but one team (Jax) was a lowly ranked rushing team. This years embarrassment was while Frazier fielded the #2 ranked defense. And Hyde and Von are not valid excuses, despite that being a popular excuse. Hyde missed most the season and Von missed almost half of it. Yet we still fielded the #2 ranked defense on the season. Them missing didn't plummet our defense into the bottom half of the league, it still managed to remain the 2nd ranked Defense. 3 straight embarrassing performances by the defense in playoff losses, surrendering 107 points to teams that would combine for 53 points in their next 3 games (all losses). I honestly don't know of any other DC in the league that would survive that streak of games. It is the same reason Frazier has zero HC interest despite the team trying to sell him as a HC candidate hard. In fact, his HC candidacy has decreased each year until it reached ice cold zero this year. And for good reason given his last HC job was a flop and his playoff resume of defensive collapses.

Better question: When are you gonna get a new schtick?

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To be fair…How many of those coaches would have supported taking Allen over Rosen and Lamar? And of those that did, how many would have successfully over saw his development from Raw and widely predicted bust into a quarter Billion dollar super star? Easy to say any coach can win with who Allen is now, but that’s not how Allen entered the league. And McD and the other coaches McD hired over saw that development.

Which is exactly why I don’t think it will ever happen and basically the end of the Frazier era. Which is all good news to me

Found Waldo...took like 4 seconds. Yolo is proving to be more elusive though 😁

It wouldn't surprise me if the Bills look into a trade for Brandin Cooks. Beane mentioned a trade as an option at WR multiple times when fielding multiple questions around WR draft strategy. To be fair, he also mentioned free agency too. But I think someone like Cooks to put out there with Diggs and Davis is going to intrigue Beane, and the cost to facilitate that trade will be relatively cost friendly in terms of draft compensation. I mean look at what Cooper went for last year. They can make the numbers work as well on a deal like this.

Agree...I would even go as far as flat out say No, and this is absolutely the end of Frazier in Buffalo. Beane even alluded to the fact he wouldn't be back without directly saying he wouldn't be back when they asked him about that.

I mean he is not going to publicly shame him...what else is he supposed to say? He has however talked a lot about getting more playmakers and guys who are great at YAC, something Davis has not been good at

Hard pass. Mentally weak and not very good. So many better options. The only thing he brings to the table in terms of fit in Buffalo is he can scramble with his legs. But that is not even close enough on a team that is a high volume passing team.

0% chance that Huntley, coming off a pro bowl, is going to want to sign with a team with 0% chance to place outside of injury. Everyone can cross Huntley off any list for the Bills because he is not coming here. I am not saying Huntley is a high quality starter, because he is not, he was a pro bowler in the way Tyrod was in Buffalo. But...Huntley is going to believe he can be and at the very least want a place he can compete to start if he doesn't find someone who is willing to sign him outright as the starter. None of those things are happening in Buffalo behind Allen.

While agree Beane is a straight shooter on many things, he isn't on all things, nor should he be. When Farwell botched the call in the 13 second debacle, they story was Farwell left on his own to take a step backwards in his career making a lateral move to a lesser team. Neither Beane nor McD would directly detail the depths of this decision even though it was publicly known Farwell made a mistake during that sequence. But rather than be made a scape goat, he was able to step down and take another job. And this is all understandable, no credible or good GM is going to air the dirty laundry behind the scenes. Not to the public or to the rest of the organization, which is why its irrelevant another poster here supposedly heard the same thing about it being Fraziers choice. Head coordinators trying to get HC jobs don't just take a year off from SB contending rosters, especially coaches coming off #1 and #2 ranked seasons for their units. Nothing about this story appears to be the "full" story. Lets not forget, the defense has been atrocious in 3 straight playoff losses. This year, Jonw Wawrow reported that during the game McD was visibly upset and yelling presnap when he saw the defenders 10 yards off the LOS on 3rd and 4 and wanted them to move up. Beane directly references this play in the end of season presser too. And McD already has had to take away play calling duties before from Frazier which resulted in a significant and immediate improvement from the defense. Everything about this sounds like McD was going to be more involved in the defense again, which is essentially the same as another demotion to Frazier and would certainly hurt his HC chances further that were already ice cold. And I think its substantially more likely Frazier took exception to this and was facing accepting it, getting fired, or quitting. Both McD and Beane seem to have a great respect for Frazier as a person, they are always talking him up for HC opportunities. So this weird story seems more like Frazier electing to "take a year off" to mitigate potential damage to his HC aspirations rather than get demoted, fired, or have to outright quit and the team being supportive of that out of respect for him and his personal goals.

Wow this is awesome news!!!! I’m looking forward to seeing what some new thinking and energy can do with the defense.

Cant compare todays deals with the larger cap to deals other players signed already in the past, they are not equally comparable.

People realize there are more than 1 round per draft right? Why is everything always about the first round pick? Especially when drafting late. Most of the top 20 WR's in football were not taken in the first round, it is not the only place to find a WR. Let the board fall the way it falls, we have plenty of holes on this team to consider with our pick, take the BPA. If its a WR, great...but it could also be an OL, RB, or even a defensive player if we suddenly have some big holes to fill. But to just say it must be a WR and then have to reach to get a WR at our pick would be a mistake. Personally, I think it will more than likely be an offensive lineman the way I think the first round board falls that will be the BPA. However, if Bijan does last to our pick, I have a hard time seeing anyone else that would still be on the board and be ranked higher than him.

Anyone who thinks this is about anything other than money is clearly mistaken. He knows this is his last contract to get any more real money, and if Buffalo was to offer him what he would get somewhere else, he would absolutely stay in Buffalo. And honestly, all this talk by him sounds a lot like a guy angling to get the Bills to pony up and make him a proper offer. Don't try and drum up some lame conspiracy theory and all this other junk. You need more gears in your gear box other than negative gear. You try and paint the most negative situation with every story.

Lmao, I mean it’s happened many times. But ok lmao

Great post, and something I have been echoing for a while as well. You will also find they also only refer to first round picks as "premium" picks but in any other thread on any other topic will refer to 2nd and 3rd picks as premium or high value too. Especially in draft threads, trade threads, etc. But when they want to insist on the team only focused on defense, suddenly 2nd and 3rd round picks have no value and only the first round picks matter. They also will ignore that these same people wanted us to draft Oliver and also ignore the context of each draft on who was on the board, priorities for the team, etc. When we took Groot, DE and pass rush was our biggest achilles heal on the team and he was their BPA on their board. When we selected Elam, CB was the weakest position on the whole team. It is not like they are making luxury picks with these first rounders. And you don't have to leave the first page of this thread to find someone already doing that. Literally completely ignoring the heavy investment of 2nd and 3rd rounders into the offense compared to the defense and now focusing on comparing first round to 6th and 7th round picks instead to try and manipulate the info to support his opinion of its been defensive heavy approach.

Again, you are missing the point. Just because Buffalo, and now Cowboys and Ravens as you put it have done good jobs at avoiding cap jail does not in any way mean cap jail doesn't exist for teams who do not properly manage it. That is like someone saying that just they haven't fallen off a bicycle and gotten hurt that no one is it risk of falling off a bike and getting hurt. The logic of it not yet happening to someone specific therefore somehow means it doesn't happen at all is not correct. No one is arguing that cap maneuvers are not possible to free up more space. But to say that no team is at risk of creating cap problems down the road if they mishandle how they do those, player contracts, roster decisions, etc is incorrect.