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I don't personally think he will be drafted in the first round, but I do think he has some serious upside and has the potential to be the best WR to come out of this draft when we look back in 3-5 years. Shakir is someone I like a lot and believe has a lot of potential still. But if we ended up with Downs in the 2nd, it would be hard to not get very excited.

For the record, I am the last person you should say that to. Go pull up any thread on any player drafted on draft night and you will not find a single post made by me flipping out telling people the pick was terrible. If we draft someone I didn't expect (like Bernard last year, Boogie, etc) the first thing I do is try and learn more about the player and look for the optimism that our Front Office might have saw to make the pick. Not the other way around, so you are way off base here. Worse yet, I have said I expect us to draft a TE, and we should. I even said I would be fine if the board fell where the BPA was a TE at 27 and Beane stuck true to his board. I even said that I am always for taking the talent, and if a TE was the clear BPA I would be fine with it. Honestly, this is where I exit the convo. You are just way too defensive to the point you are towing the line of dragging this into the mud for no reason and now just making baseless rants when I all I was doing was politely discussing your mock with you. If you can't handle open polite open discussion about your mock, maybe don't subject yourself to other opinions by posting a mock draft thread. All good...GoBills

No disrespect, but you just told @newcam2012he is making a lot of assumptions, but then followed that up with a bunch of assumptions like "Q. Johnson is just a Gabe Davis clone" and "the first LB doesn't come off the board until pick 48". The Gabe Davis comparison just feels like a lazy assumption given they are not really that similar in how they play nor are they anywhere near the same kind of prospect coming out of college. More importantly, you realize that this is most likely the last year we have Davis who there is very little chance they pay what he can get in Free Agency next season to keep him right? Having an opportunity to draft a WR at 27 that has WR1 potential has a lot of value, especially considering the alternative is a 2nd string TE who might only get 20-30 targets at most behind Knox. And no disrespect, but you can't defend not taking a LB at 27 by saying "I gave you one at 59". When deciding who to pick at 27 it is not known who will be there at pick 59, so that is a completely irrelevant statement to what decision should be made while actually deciding who the pick should be at 27. You seem a bit defensive about your mock, and you shouldn't be, especially given all mocks are wrong. But I think the point you are missing from those who have a differing opinion, is that they doubt we are going to prioritize a second TE over some of the other guys you still had on the board in your mock. Doesn't matter at all who you mocked to us in the 2nd, its about what choice would be best while sitting on the clock at 27. Personally, I think they would take the WR in Johnston in your mock, but I could also see them taking someone else at OL, LB, or DL there too over a TE. Not saying a TE is impossible at 27, because if he is the clear cut BPA then I expect Beane would stick to his board and add the talent if he say couldn't trade back. But based on your mock, Kincaid is not the BPA and nor would I expect Kincaid to be the pick if the board fell this way.

Did you just say your mock draft is "very" realistic while saying more than 2/3rds is going to be wrong? Isn't that kind of a contradiction? No need to get so defensive about something you expect to be mostly wrong about because someone thinks its going to fall different. Like I said, kudos for the work, I just don't think some of the places you have guys going is realistic. Just my opinion, nothing more nothing less. We all just have opinions, like your mock is your opinion, others having a different mock is just an opinion. And the one universal truth is all these mocks will be wrong anyway. But to your point of giving us a top 3 LB in the 2nd not making any sense...the point was rather than using a first round pick on a BACKUP player at a position we DONT feature (TE), I would rather have the top LB (as to a top 3 one in the 2nd) in the first and take someone else at WR, OL, or even TE in the 2nd. I am not even advocating for a LB in the first, I both want and think it is going to be a WR personally. I am just saying taking a TE who is going to get maybe 20-30 targets as the 7th or 8th priority in our offense this year with our first round pick is less appealing than drafting someone who will likely have a bigger role in our team this year.

Totally agree with all this. Honestly this is exactly my thoughts on the matter. I just find it unrealistic that Dorsey is going to go from under using our very good TE to effectively using two. Im never against adding talent, not like I will be upset if we landed a premiere talent at TE to pair with Knox. But I don’t have any confidence that we will see a lot of targets for that second TE in Dorseys offense. So while I know we need a 2nd TE, I really hope it’s not in the first round because I would much rather see us take a player that has a higher chance to see the field more and make a bigger impact this year as we strive for a SB.

With Diggs age and Davis in his final year, I think they would for sure take the WR over a TE. Reality is Davis is likely gone after this season, there is no way they are going to pay him what he will fetch on the open market. Getting a potential replacement for him certainly seems like a high priority for this front office given the amount of interest they have demonstrated between exploring acquisitions and draft visits. Meanwhile, TE's most often grossly underperform to draft hype, especially their early years. And any TE we bring in will be second string to Knox who we just extended and is young himself. So if one of the top WR's is still on the board at 27, I don't think there is much chance they take a TE over that WR. Not saying we would never go TE, I mean if the board falls in a way where TE is the clear cut BPA at 27, I don't expect Beane to reach elsewhere and can see him taking the talent. But I do think he would first try and trade down if that were the case.

Never said they wont take a TE, in fact I fully expect them to take a TE. Taking a TE at 27 though is completely different thing. Im not even saying we definitely wont go TE at 27, just think its unlikely given the depth of the position in the draft and it not being a pressing hole. But if the draft fell poorly for us, and TE was a clear cut BPA, then not out of the question Beane sticks true to his board and goes BPA. And if TE was BPA, I still think Beane tries to find a trade back partner first before going TE. But, that being said, I don't expect TE to be BPA when we are on the clock at 27.

No offense, but I don’t think some of you understand what the magnitude of changing an offense is. And to expect a team led by an elite QB with an aggressive downfield attack that over the past 3 years is cumulatively the top offense just for a rookie TE is unrealistic. There has been no TE more hyped as a major weapon coming out college in the past decade than Kyle Pitts. And what has he done? Historically TE’s are slower to develop too. We are an offense with a very good TE who has 15 TDs the past 2 seasons despite averaging only 68 targets those 2 seasons. How many targets is a second TE going to get behind Knox? 20? 30? This is a team who has brought in multiple WRs, now has multiple pass catching RBs…a second TE is going to be like 7th or 8th on the priority list at best for targets. And if you look at Super Bowl winners, you won’t find any that feature a 2 TE passing attack.

Appreciate the work, but to be honest, I am not a fan of this draft nor do I think it’s realistic, and not just for the Bills, but it’s not realistic in general IMHO. Bills would not take a TE with Quentin Johnson still on the board (also don’t think Johnson lasts until the 2nd round). Furthermore, if Addison reached 25 I am confident Bills would have made a small trade up to get him. I still think there is very little chance we go TE round 1, especially with how deep TE position is. Bills don’t need a TE1, they need a second TE. Spending a first round pick on a guy who is going to be second string to a highly paid TE that only saw 65 targets and never even gotten 70 targets is just not realistic. Using a first round pick on a player who’s gonna get like 30 targets isn’t very appealing. Even though I don’t want to go LB at 27, I would still rather go LB (over a TE) who will at least have a chance to start and be a potential relevant contributor than a second string guy at a position this offense doesn’t feature.

I can also take Ravens since they pick right after my Chargers pick and can make them at the same time, or any other left over team(s) if you need to get this going before your surgery.

I agree about Purdy...what will he do once now that there is tape on him is a good question. The main point for them is that they don't need a QB that can say do a lot, just needs to be the anti-Jimmy G where Jimmy G was a literal statue in the pocket and might have the worst pocket presence of any starter in the NFL. That is why Purdy made such a difference, and both him and Lance will still have that mobility as part of their game and then really only need to be able to handle short strikes with that running and YAC offense built around them. So that for me is what makes the Niners still the most dangerous team. It's the kind of team that could get to the SB with even a below average starter at QB. If either Tre or Purdy can just be average/solid, that team will be very hard to beat. Kind of like the Ravens when they had Trent Dilfer...the Niners are just so good everywhere else that they can mask some deficiencies at QB. TBH, their 3rd QB is Sam Darnold now too. And while Darnold has not been good in his NFL career, if he had to play there I think its possible he could actually do alright himself as he won't be asked to carry the offense or be a high volume thrower. And I suspect Purdy is going to start the season on PUP List or IR as I don't think he will be ready week 1. So I think its probable that Darnold starts the season as the #2 QB. And if the Niners do see one of their QB's come in and play well (like Purdy was last year before injury), then they are IMHO the hand-down favorite to rep the NFC in the SB, even if Eagles get Henry. Injuries are absolutely a legit concern with them, they have been through the ringer with injuries multiple years now. So yeah, I have them as the NFC favorites assuming they are not crushed by injuries again.

People keep forgetting just how good the 49ers roster is. I mean its nasty good and the nastiest defensive unit in football heading into this new season. They get no love because of the question marks at QB, but Purdy was literally Mr. Irrelevant and turned them into a machine. They don't need a superstar QB, they just need someone who has some pocket mobility and can facilitate the quick strike attack. And regardless if Purdy is ready week 1, he will be ready at some point this season and will be their most likely QB in the playoffs. Then you still have all the potential and upside of what is Tre Lance. if Tre starts the year off and that offense excels with him at the helm, he may not even relinquish the job and then you gotta defend all those weapons and Tre running. I would bet on the 49ers representing the NFC next year before I wager on the Eagles even if they get Derrick Henry. People forget the Eagles lost a lot of key players, especially on defense this year. They had a wicked run game last year, its not like Derrick Henry is giving them something they didn't already have.

Im not saying he wouldn’t incorporate it, I am saying it’s not going to become a focal point of this offense like so many people keep saying it will if we take a TE in the first.

There is no chance what so ever the Bills offense is switching to primarily 12 personnel to where Washington got 10+ TDs. This isn’t Madden where you just click what ever playbook you want. Dorsey is not going to scrap his entire offense, the offense Allen has excelled in, the offense that has been the top offense over the last 3 seasons to switch to 12 personnel full time for a rookie TE just because there wasn’t a better option at pick 27. PS: Try and find a SB winner whose primary offense was 12 personnel.

Lions, chargers, ravens, or vikings

Huh? You think Washington would have 10+ TDs as a rookie behind Knox? You realize Knox has never gotten even 70 targets right? He also still had 15 TDs the last 2 years. There is absolutely no way Washington gets 10+ TDs this year unless Knox missed most the season with an injury, and even then it would be unlikely.

Well this didn’t take long for OBJ to bring some drama to Baltimore lol Better them than us

Jordan Addison Roschon Johnson

He wasn't charged by anyone. The poster said we "drafted a rapist punter" when referencing our dark side of the franchise. I don't care that 2 other teams heard something, the fact remains, the Buffalo Bills did NOT know of the allegations on draft night and then willfully drafted him. Like most the world, they found out after the draft.

Depends on if they like any of the QB's available to them and if they feel Malik can still develop too. If I was to make a wager then I would probably place it on them taking an offensive lineman at 11. But, I was only saying Bijan would potentially be an option at 11 if they traded Henry before the draft just based on the style of offense they play.

What are you talking about? Josh Allen was almost the #1 overall pick, its not like anyone expected him to go late in the draft. There was still Darnold, Rosen, and Lamar too. You don't take a RB 2nd overall in a rich QB draft class when your team needs a QB. Your reply makes no sense what so ever. All I said was taking a RB in the first is NOT always wrong. You know the first round has 32 picks in it right? LMAO. And I said Barkely was a top 10 talent, but it was NOT correct to choose a RB over a QB in the top 10 when your team needed a QB. I guarantee you if you polled 100 GMs all 100 would say the same thing. But that didn't mean Barkely is a mistake to take in the top 10 if another team needed a RB and had chosen him if the Giants were smart enough to go QB instead of Barkley.

True, but it wouldn't rule out the Titans taking Bijan at 11. Henry would be a scary addition to that offense, but they lost some other pieces this year too that were significant players for them last year.

Its a rumor that has been going around since last night...wonder if this one has teeth or not. Derrick and AJ Brown have the same agent.

Good luck with your surgery bud! Hope it goes well, sending good thoughts and best wishes your way.

I don't disagree with this, however, if Bijan fell to us at 27 he will be without question the BPA and I always advocate hard for taking the talent over reaching elsewhere. And I would absolutely take him there. But, we are a downfield passing team, and I don't expect that to change even if we added Bijan. I also feel pretty comfortable with a RB room of Harris, Cook, and Hines already, so I don't feel any pressure on this team to need to get a RB early. It wouldn't suprise me though if they went after Bijans backup, RB Roschon Johnson in say the 3rd or 4th though with all his versatility and special teams value.