Alphadawg7

One of the few voice of reasons here

The number 1 WR in the NFL was traded for a 2nd round pick. Potential or no potential, he is not worth the price of a first rounder. He has underwhelmed. He was a talented player coming out, but his bad QB play doesn't excuse his drops and injuries. Again, not at all against getting Jeudy, but just against giving up a package that suggests he is a top 5 WR because he has not played anywhere close to that compensation. Broncos have 2 years of him still on a rookie deal with a ton invested into their QB and now their offensive guru HC. Why suddenly are trying to trade one of their few young talents? Especially in a year they gave up so much to get a HC to fix the offense?

This is my top target in FA for the defense, hope he comes here.

I actually think he is going to be someone to watch. I have seen a number of people linking Bills interest to David now.

Agree on that, we must get Allen more protection and weapons. But Jeudy isn't worth that much IMO. I would rather trade a 3rd for 2 years of Hopkins, who is definitely better than Jeudy, then draft someone in the next 2 drafts to groom to succeed Diggs and Hopkins and have 4-5 years of him in Allens prime on a rookie deal. We are in a very short SB window. Many of our best players on both sides of the ball are getting up there in age and/or trying to recoup from injuries. This roster could look a lot different 2 years from now. Hopkins significantly increases our SB chances these next 2 years and would cost less draft capital than you are suggesting paying for Jeudy. I mean a passing offense of Allen, Diggs, Hopkins, Davis, Shakir, and Knox...not to mention Cook and Hines as receivers out of the backfield would be a nightmare to defend. Elite route runner with elite hands and size like Hopkins brings so much to the table in bad weather too where the ground neutralizes speed. Then we add a tough runner like a Jamaal Williams, D'Onta Foreman, or someone in the draft to go with a revamped OL and we will be on our way to being the best offense in the league again. Again, I will be fine to still get Jeudy, just not at the prices I am seeing in this thread.

That is how he was used here. I have said for a while, the thing most people hate the most about Edmunds has more to do with how he is used in our system. No one compared him Urlacher, one of the best LBs of the past 30 years. But, I think Edmunds is going to show he is more than what he was here now that he is in Chicago.

Thats just the thing, I did not dismiss him. I said trading a first and good player for a guy who averages 700 yards and 3 TD's, struggled with drops, and has had injuries is not a good value. Hopkins in his 20's and prime was traded for a 2nd round pick as the best WR in the NFL. No way Jeudy is worth that much. Im totally fine trading for Jeudy, all I ever said is that Denver is reported asking for too much for any of their 3 WR's and I wouldn't want to over pay when we can get Hopkins for less. If we traded say Oliver or Davis and like a 5th, sure, no problem from me. But I have no interest in trading a first, and I definitely have no interest on trading more than a first.

Remember when people ran Hughes out of town last year because he couldn't get sacks after a 2 sack season? Well he put up 9 sacks this year in Houston after supposedly being washed. Hughes averaged 4 sacks in 5 seasons with Frazier, and 8 sacks in 5 seasons without Frazier, including this past year with 3 seasons of 9 or more. I have a feeling Edmunds is going to be even better now that he is not stuck with Frazier anymore. Just like how London Fletcher was never the issue despite this whole board making him the "Edmunds" like whipping boy while he was here. I was fine for cap reasons not resigning him, but don't be surprised when Edmunds really excels in Chicago.

Come on bud, I totally respect you as a poster, so no disrespect, but you can't be serious. For a WR who averages 700 yards and 3 TD's for his career? Wow, I have no idea how you get to that value. I mean Hopkins in his prime was traded to the Cardinals for a 2nd round pick when he was the consensus best WR in the NFL. And you think a first and someone like Oliver or Davis is what Jeudy is worth? Why because of a college season 4 years ago? Because its not based on his NFL resume. He has struggled with drops, had several injuries, and has not lived up to his draft hype, not even with Russel Wilson as his QB. Come on bud, that is crazy. And I would puke if we gave that much up for Jeudy, and I am not even against trading for him. I just prefer a cheaper move to get Hopkins. I love Beane and one of his biggest supporters, but I would turn on him in a second if he gave up a first and a good player for Jeudy.

Wait...people here are not taking a worthless tweet from a nobody that has literally no value or mention anywhere else online or twitter as some sort of legit rumor right? This is 100% fake, people need to please stop speculating on it, total waste of time. There is 0 truth to this, and Rams are not entertaining offers for Kupp anyway, according to every source in LA.

They aren't "moving on" from him as if he is the problem. The Cardinals are unloading cap and going into a retool because they have too many issues. Hopkins value in the next 2 seasons, both of which are more rebuild years for AZ with a new GM and new HC. Moving Hopkins to get assets towards that miny rebuild is why they are doing it, and he is their best trade chip.

So you don't think our offense is instantly better with DeAndre Hopkins?

Fixed You realize Hopkins is only 6 months older than Diggs right? These two can play side by side as the best tandem in the NFL for at least the next 2 seasons during Allens prime and our best SB window. Just calling it a "drug suspension" makes it sound worse than it was. Yes he made a mistake in recovery from his first serious injury the year before, but its not something that has the threat of being an ongoing character issue. Allen, Diggs, Hopkins, Knox, Shakir with a new rebulit OL and someone like Jamaal Williams or D'Onta Foreman to add some grit to our run game along side Cook and Hines might be the scariest offense in the league next year. And that still leaves room for adding more to the offense in the draft still.

Im not saying that isn't true...I am saying the only person controlling it is Rodgers himself. Jets and Packers have a deal worked out, the only person holding up the deal is Aaron Rodgers, and where other QB's sign or don't sign has no impact on Aarons personal decision. So the point is, what other QB's are doing around the NFL has no impact on the odds the Jets get Rodgers because it is not in the Jets control, the decision is now squarely on Rodgers shoulders.

In the thread on the signing, there is a very long write up profile on him and it sounds very encouraging. Only has drawn 2 flags in his whole career so far, which brings much needed discipline to the OL. And he has great versatility where he can play G and C, but also lined up in the backfield as well. Write up even referred to him as a guy that Dallas should try and keep. I didn't know much about him prior to reading the write up, but it definitely read well and seems encouraging, like one of those signings we will look back at and say Beane was a wizard again at finding value.

Yeah, obviously a restructure would certainly have to be part of the trade. But I have no doubt Hopkins would do that to play with Allen along side Diggs and have a chance at a ring.

It actually doesn't impact the odds of him to the Jets at all. GB and Jets have already agreed on the trade...its not in the Jets hands. Its all in Rodgers hands, so this move makes no impact on whether Rodgers personally decides to go play for the Jets IMHO. Raiders had not shown any interest or attempts to trade for Rodgers, its really just the Jets. But I do LOVE that Rodgers is already screwing the Jets by lingering on his decision and completely handcuffing them during FA and costing them to miss out on other QB's like Jimmy if he ultimately decides to not go there. Brady told TB the night before FA he was going there, gave them time to handle FA accordingly. Jets are sitting on their hands because the don't know for sure if they will be paying ARod a ton this year or not.

Agreed...while Ekeler would be an exciting add, hard to see Bills being in on him for a couple reasons. One, he wants a trade because he wants a new bigger contract that is probably outside the budget Beane has in mind at RB. Second, we have youth at the position on a rookie deal for 3 more years in Cook who has similar potential to Ekeler, plus we just restructured Hines. So we already have 2 RB's who be receiving weapons for Allen, and combined they cost less than what Ekeler would likely be seeking. Feels like what we need is a more powerful compliment to those guys who can excel in carrying the load in bad weather, short yardage, redzone, etc. Again, Ekeler is a great player, he would be exciting to have in Buffalo, so not knocking him. Just talking about if he would be a realistic trade target for the Bills. So I think we more likely get someone in the draft or sign someone like Jamaal Williams or D'Onta Foreman who will probably cost less and compliment our RB room better.

Thanks for this, didn't know a lot about him, but I really like what I am reading here and definitely excited to see what he can do here. Love his versatility they discussed, but also his discipline. A reduction in dumb a** penalties by the OL kiling drives would be a nice change.

Don't know a ton about him, but I do know we need guard help badly.

Bahahahahaha...so many wanted to argue the cap wasn't real because Saints signed a middle of the pack QB in Carr.

Because if he blows up here, his cost could (and probably likely) be greater than what we paid Diggs. KC didn't keep Tyreek...GB didn't keep Adams...are Bills going to pony up with an expensive roster and pay a WR $27M+ per year or higher if he has establishes himself as top end WR while catching passes from Allen? It would also mean moving on from Diggs and then also giving him a huge bag of money. Would he thrive as a #1 after Diggs is gone for that kind of money? And if he doesn't excel to command a huge contract, trading a first round pick for him would have been an over pay. So for me, its not so cut and dry. Not saying I am against trading for Jeudy, just saying I like a Hopkins trade more. I would be excited if we got Jeudy, this isn't about that. I just prefer taking the better player today in Hopkins for a win now approach, and nabbing a WR to groom early sometime in the next 2 drafts who we can have 4 to 5 years of Allens prime on a rookie contract. I would however be much more comfortable trading Jeudy if the price comes in much cheaper than is being rumored or if it was a player and a mediocre pick. It is trading a first, or trading a 2nd and another pick where I start to like it less than trying to get Hopkins.

Hopkins only missed time with one injury, 2021 though. Prior to that he had missed 2 total games in his entire career and came back and was fully healthy last year. He made a mistake in recovery from that injury that cost him time in 2022, but he has not had an issue staying healthy. And while I get the long term appeal, if Jeudy excels here, I am not sure we would be able to afford to keep him long term. We might, but there are no assurances. Which is why I like risking less on Hopkins and then look to add some youth in the draft we can keep for 4-5 seasons cheap sometime during the next 2 drafts.

It would be $12m after June 1st and $24m next year based on everything I have read. Haven’t seen one source say 10 and 7. So I would say until I see a source confirming it’s much lower, then I think that’s likely incorrect.

You can redo Hopkins deal and make the cap hit palatable. Denver wants at least a first for Juedy, and what happens if he has a big year with Josh? Will he be content with just the 5th year option next year? A first is a lot to trade for a guy that we can’t afford to resign in the next year or two if he breaks out with Allen. And if he doesn’t break out, then we over paid by trading a first. I wouldn’t be upset by any means if we traded for Juedy, just prefer a 2 year deal with Hopkins who can be had cheaper and is still a top 5 WR.