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The way McD described it sounded much more like an everyday kind of common bump/bruise type thing from just playing and hitting the ground during a rep yesterday. Didn't come across as part of a lingering issue or holdover from the issues he had last year. So wasn't too concerning, at least in description, but obviously something worth monitoring.

People are talking because he has had a lot of Ints in camp so far and been a standout so far for them. Means very little right now, and honestly some of them I felt like he could have drawn a flag, but I wish him well and he is at least off to about as good as start as he could have had there. Pads aren't on, Refs are not in full force. He has a lot to still prove, but he is being talked about because he has been on the best guys in camp for them.

Sitting out healthy on a vet rest day is quite different than sitting out die to leg soreness. There’s no message there, you’re reading something into nothing. All it means is Moore would have gone today if not for the leg soreness where Taron got the day off for no reason other than an older vet rest day.

That day 1 thread aging like a hot wet block of cheese 😂

Yeah it was fun to see him with the kid and excitement he was playing with, but you are right. I do wish him well and think the change could be good - BUT - that would be a flag, he was holding his shoulder almost the whole route, you are gonna get that called most the time, it was pretty blatant, and that is his biggest issue. He plays physical, and on one hand you love that, but on the other he struggles to control it and what we saw with him is when he has to keep his hands off it’s like he seems less confident or a step behind. If the kid can figure out how to keep his hands under control while still playing with the same confidence and anticipation, he could be be a good player. But as others have pointed out, several clips on his ints in camp have included some questionable hand activity throughout the route that could or would get called for a flag in a game. And when he starts drawing flags it’s like he almost over corrects and then that’s when he’s gotten torched. Pulling for him, but since college, his issue has been too reliant on his use of his hands in being physical.

Not bad for a punt returner on the verge of being cut or traded for a 6th round pick 😂

He’s been creating a lot of buzz and making a lot of plays. It’s way too early to conclude anything, but he’s off to about as good of a start as he could have there.

Lmao - did no one catch the name of that new helmet? It’s literally called the “Alpha Dawg”! Don’t worry, my people are already preparing the suit and are in touch with their people 💰🔫

Big thanks to @HappyDays and anyone else also posting updates, but especially you Happy who’s been so active and on it for everyone with the updates. Just more of your usual fine work with stuff like that, we all appreciate it

Post of the day lmao

I will say the same thing I said yesterday - guys are in shorts - so physical guys generally don't start to stand out until the pads go on and twitchy of faster guys can stand out more than they may when pads go on. So I wouldn't draw too many heavy conclusions or opinions off what we see good or bad while still in shorts.

I mean LITERALLY told you my it was an assumption after your first question about it. At no point have I claimed they were from any specific time, and my OP gave a generalized range of when I assumed they are from. This has been maybe the dumbest and biggest waste of time convo I’ve been in this offseason as it has no relevancy of any kind to the point of my OP. Its at least a reminder of why I spend so much less time here these days.

The only thing incorrect is you accusing me of claiming when the clips happened. I literally never said they were from anytime in my OP. You went on some mission about “when” they were, all I said was for those concerned about today there are some a couple nice catches in the trailer. You then you went on and asked about when the clips are from in the Hard Knocks trailer and I just said probably OTA’s or from Bills Embedded footage. Also, I literally told you “when” was even irrelevant, point was there were a couple nice grabs on the trailer for encouragement amongst all the negativity a few of you were focused on about today. This whole tangent is a bit ridiculous lmao

First off, no offense, but you are coming across as if you seem pretty vested in just selling the negative take away you have from day 1 here. As far as the trailer goes, doesn't really matter when they happened, they are clips of him making some impressive plays was the takeaway. So its ok if people want to see that as a positive and have optimism we can hopefully see more of that kind of stuff from him as camp goes on. And he's been in the whole offseason program, and the reports about him have been positive all off season. So today isn't the "first real look" at him this offseason just because it was your first real look at him. And like I said up thread, guys who have a physical game are not the type of player that shines in shorts. This isn't the time where Keon is always going to pop because a lot of his best traits come with being physical. Just like its silly to over value some speedy guy looking good in shorts, its the time they should shine. Not to mention its day 1 of camp and guys will have good and bad days throughout camp.

My assumption is OTA's and other offseason programs they draw from - My friend is one of the producers on Hard Knocks, so I know they have in the past come in earlier points in the offseason for the purpose of shooting stuff they can use in promotional content prior to their full time shoot schedule. But, Bills also shoot Embedded, so could also be footage Bills already had and shared for their trailer.

Hard Knocks trailer dropped - got a couple nice Keon highlights from this offseason in it for those overly concerned about anything from day 1 today lol Trailer got me amped for not just camp and the show - but the season! LFG

The trailer has dropped!

While its way too early to know anything today, the thing I love about this staff is that nothing is given. Everything is earned even with like high draft picks like Elam (who sat behind Benford despite the 1st round pick) or Bishop (who was a backup despite the high pick and expectations). So yeah I agree with you that if Keon struggles throughout camp and preseason to establish his right to and readiness to start now, then yeah, this is certainly a combo we could see a lot of regarding Palmer, Moore, and Shakir (assuming Moore can establish himself once the pads go on, easy to look good in shorts when you are fast). One thing I will add, is that this is not the time of camp where a player like Keon shines, but it is a time where a player like Moore shines. Fast guys always excel in shorts and physical guys not as much before pads go on. So people need to take it with a grain of salt right now when Moore does something in shorts and Keon isn't doing as much when things are less physical.

Camp is exciting for everyone and talking about is fun. But - There is a massive difference in caring about camp and over reacting to every single tweet or play in camp, especially day 1. Every season there are a lot of people who like to "validate" their offseason hot takes (good or bad) off every little tweet, play, etc from camp, including day 1 of camp and it gets old and annoying. We literally all read the good/bad bias of everyone for 4 months - we don't need everyone to bias hunt on social media for evidence and justification of every hot take they had this offseason, especially on day 1 of camp. Guys doing well or making some miscues on day 1 of camp in shorts has literally no conclusive meaning either way. A bit early to establish darlings and whipping boys. I mean its pretty clear Keon is already beeing tee'd up as a whipping boy this camp to be over reacted to.

The over reaction on day 1 and the conclusions being drawn is classic TSW and popcorn worthy lol

Another episode of Embedded, OTA's and Mini Camp. Ray Davis has a big part in it. I was high on him coming out, had him was one of my top 4 RB's in the draft, and I am still high on him now. So was fun to see so much of him in this episode - but I am gonna get my popcorn ready for all the over analyzing inevitably coming of "how much they featured Ray" as to what it "means" for Cook lol. Regardless though, was a fun and good watch. Love the chemistry and vibe of this roster. Keon is just fun man too, a whole vibe - there is one spot where Vince Carter visits and he and Keon had some fun dialogue too. Apparently Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady are gonna be there throughout training camp too. Enjoy

Well for it not to be a rankings list, everything matters and I did mention that in all my previous posts about that stuff. To be fair, didn't see the "same salary" caveat in the OP, but that kind of makes this exercise a waste of time. He didn't say ignore age or other things though, just salary. But you can't discuss where someone will go in a draft as a "different" topic than just another rankings list if you remove all the things that would make it different than a rankings list. So, still sticking to it being a draft, I still stand by he would be one of the first 30 taken even if you remove the one caveat of salary because age, personality, chemistry, intangibles, etc were not removed and would still all be in play on discussing where they would get drafted. And that still has him going in the first 30 WR's in my book as well. Again all good

To be clear, I said several posts back 1 more target per game. Not sure who is talking 50 more targets, that is WR1 territory and I have not seen anyone suggest that and certainly not me. And again, at 100 targets there is already a mix of route types, to assume to add 17 more targets over a season means it has to predominantly come from one route type is not a logical way to estimate or predict outcomes. There is no way around that no matter how much you want to insist it seems to only be possible via bubble screens. Literally everyone expected a drop across the board in efficiency on double the volume, including me. I am not even factoring in his 2023, like 0 factor even though those are real stats he did achieve, I have given him 0 value for them despite him achieving them when in reality some sort of blended between the two is more than warranted. I am still removing them entirely. I think you have lost a bit of what this Topic started as - The OP poised this a DRAFT (in caps to emphasize, not yell as all is good) - and not a 1 year FFL draft, but an NFL draft to build a roster. In a draft, age, fit, style, tangibles, etc all get weighed. Tyreek Hill is on the final year or two of his career...Shakir is in his prime. A team drafting to build a roster isn't going to draft $30M WR at age 31 (who is also a bad teammate and overall POS - yes things that will be considered in a draft) over a young Shakir still ascending in his prime making $15M per and with his long list of intangibles (dirty work, great hands, clutch, playmaker with ball in his hands, good and willing blocker, etc). Its just not gonna happen, at least it shouldn't. This is NOT a rankings list (again highlighting not yelling), this is where do they go in an NFL draft if the league redrafted today. The reality is there are a lot of TE's that would go ahead of a lot of the WR's in the 20's and 30's too, but this was only about Shakir and how many WR's go before him in a draft. And that is a large disconnect I think in our views of both Shakir and the other WR's. I am staying true to the task of the OP and treating this as a GM would who is going to factor all the intangibles, roster makeup, draft strategy, costs, age etc. Otherwise we can kill this thread and everyone can move back to the rankings thread. Again, you are ranking not drafting see above. Not only are you trying to rank instead of the draft task of this thread, but I also don't agree with your limited view on him. People said this to me when he was a 5th round pick - they said this to me before he broke out - they keep trying to say this to me after he broke out. Shakir keeps proving to be more than that, and I don't personally think he has fully peaked yet either. But its all good, all individual perspective and all just a make believe draft anyway. Cheers

You see - right here you just kind of again said all of the extra targets would be those bubble screens. We are only talking about 1 more target per game, and you just said 1 or 2 more bubble screens. His ratio to bubble screens to other passes is already factored into his 100 targets and efficiency. Therefore, if you assume the same target distribution, which you should, then the per target efficiency scales with the extra target, not decreases. But the way you just phrased again is increasing the targets by increasing just bubble screens essentially and I don't think that is reasonable way to estimate his target increase. I said that 2024 is probably his floor on things like YPC because of the increased short yardage throws (by strategic design) vs his elite efficiency in 2023 being helped by lower volume and many big plays. You and others keep wanting to further lower his floor as if he has no ability or talent above doing more bubble screens. This is really the spot where we disagree, the assumed type of targets on any above his pace last year. To be clear, I didn't say he was a focal point guy, but that doesn't mean he cant be a significant player in an offense still. And what I meant by true efficiency is that no one season ever determines a players efficiency, and that his 2024 was likely more indicative of his floor, and 2023 was more indicative of an outlier with the combo of lower volume and several big plays within that volume. When I said that was more about what his efficiency looks like over a period of seasons, not just picking any one season. Its all good, all discussion, and all subjective. I just think people are short changing just how good he is at what he does and that he is being pigeon hold a bit too much into this bubble screen stuff. He was on pace for 110 targets here last year but he missed a little time with the injury. I think his sweet spot for say max targets is probaby 110-130 in an offense, and in our offense that puts him just at or over 1000 yards, and in an offense where the rest of the field is opened up a bit more with help elsewhere, I think his efficiency goes up and totals as well. That being said - My hope is that we see guys like Keon, Palmer, Kincaid, and maybe even Moore prove they need targets this year, and that results in fewer targets for Shakir. But let me be clear, not because Shakir isn't good enough for these targets, I say that because I want to see these other guys also be good which would make our offense even better if so. I still think he would be one of the first 30 with all the intangibles he brings along with ability and talent compared to a lot of the other guys in that range who are either older or blend too much with the next 20 or so guys still available.