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That is a fair question, and I would say probably not individual to individual, but based on where Kupp is at this point in his career and where Shakir is, I would say Shakir is at least pretty close and wouldn't surprise me if Shakir proves to be better than Kupp this year just based on Kupps age and injury history. But, collectively as a group, this unit can do most of everything Kupp would bring to the table at a high level an they showed that this year as I mentioned before, the 2024 Bills offense was historically good, set numerous records both as a team and individuals. So for me the question becomes would adding more redundancy to what they do well really take that and elevate that next year even if that individual does it a little better than our guys here? I mean we are asking the 16th greatest offense in NFL history to be better next year. A team that set numerous team and individual offensive NFL records this season. For me, the only way that feels realistic to be better next year is to bring someone in that excels at where this group is less effective at, which is obviously more of an outside deep threat. I am not sure what their intent is with Cooper, I personally wouldn't resign him unless its a very team friendly deal. There is just this edge or gear I feel like is missing with him, that "dawg" that needs to come out in big moments, not to mention his age just ups injury risk. Now I won't be pissed if we resign Cooper, and if we do then I still think they need to draft a rookie then that is a take the top off kind of player because Cooper isn't really that kind of player even though his a legit outside WR.

This was my entire point, he just adds more of what we already have and doesn't provide what we lack. Now factor in Shakir, Samuel, and Keon are all 100% back. Hollins is probably back, and Cooper is the wildcard. Obviously Cooper isn't back if they traded for Kupp...and now with Kupp we have an even bigger deficit on the outside than we did this year. Kupp just is not the right fit for what the offense lacks, so he shouldn't be on our radar at all IMHO. And I like Kupp a lot and still think he can be good for someone this year, but we need a legit threat on the outside to elevate the composition of this WR group.

Yeah, I agree with all this.

I am a big Kupp fan having lived in LA for all his career. Always liked his game. But...I will tell you the downside...everything is about fit. Does he bring the elements this group needs right now at this stage of his career? The answer is no, because he is redundancy on this roster with both Shakir and Samuel here. This roster needs a down field outside threat, we have tons of options over the middle in the short to mid range attack that Kupp eats at right now. Would I be upset if we get Kupp...of course not. But do I think he changes much for this offense this next season...probably not a whole lot. This offense was the 16th best offense in NFL history and greatest in Bills history. If anyone really expects to improve upon that, then we need to add someone that adds a dimension this offense is missing, and Kupp doesn't bring much of that at this stage of his career. I think he can still be a very good player for someone, but I don't think he changes a whole lot for the Bills offense based on the makeup of our roster right now.

What does that have to do with anything? You holding the fact we can also run the ball in for a score, especially in short yardage against the Bills for some reason? Points are points, we score plenty.

With atrocious QB's

While he is a boundary WR, he was still just our 4th WR this year. And the Bills offense just put up the 16th best offense in the history of the NFL and best in Bills history. Our offense isn't the travesty some people make it sound like when expressing WR concerns. But don't get me wrong, we absolutely need to address WR this offseason...but I do very much hope, and expect, that Hollins will be back because he was a good player for the Bills this year.

I have always said Lee Evans played for the wrong Bills era, he would be insane with Allen

It was a joke based on all the other things described about the player

So you are saying we need Diggs (just a joke)

Ah, I thought it would have been the inverse personally as CB's seem to get over paid in FA more than Safety's in general. If that was the case, then yes, give me Reed over Holland as well. I agree with you on the secondary and would love to see us go from Douglas to Reed

We can get Garrett and still sign DJ Reed, which I would love if we landed Reed. Personally, I think Holland makes more sense as he will cost less IMO and still addresses our secondary, but would also love landing Reed. Garretts cap hit is only $5M this year according to the articles I read, so it would allow us to be active in FA to some degree still as well.

Yet there are people trying to tell me the solution is to not address the defense and instead push all our available chips in on a WR. We had the 16th best offense in NFL history this season, scored 29 against the stingy Chiefs Defense despite having the Refs steal a scoring drive from us twice in one set of downs, and watched out defense allow the Chiefs to score 32 despite never scoring 30 even once this season while they were without their best WR. Defense is, and has been, the problem. Go get Garrett or Crosby so the defense finally has a difference maker. Then look to address Safety and CB via FA and draft (I would try and sign Holland). We still need to address WR, make no mistake about it, but maybe we make a FA play for Tee Higgins...or maybe we try and use one of our 2nd's to trade for a proven WR, and if we can't find the right WR via trade or FA, then look to draft one in the 2nd (assuming our first was used to get Garrett or Crosby) or use some picks to move up to get the right guy. You can still address CB in FA and mid range of the draft where they have had pretty good success finding value both ways.

I don't disagree that this is a big offseason for Beane, this team is on the door step, but teams like the Chiefs are not going anywhere and will have a chance to also get better this offseason, and will also get their best WR back next year. IMHO, he needs to make a big move or hit big on a player in the draft. And sure, people criticized Beane this offseason over the WR room...but then what happened? The Bills offense went out and was historically great this year...16th best offense in the history of the NFL despite the offense coasting for entire 4th quarters, even some halves and taking the final week off. It set numerous records both as a team and multiple individual records. As far as to why we lost...lets be reasonable here...we scored 29 against a team who had not broken 30 on offense the entire season, it should have been enough. And we did it against a tough D on the road in a hostile environment with one of the NFL's all time best DC's. And we can take that further by citing the refs directly stole more points from us and probably the game when they took away a first down twice within 2 plays to swing the whole game when we were up 1 and already in FG range with a chance to go up 2 scores. Instead, the refs stole the spot twice (Kincaid on 2nd down and Allen on 4th) and the game flipped to us down 7 when KC drove to score and convert a 2pt conversion. NOTE: To be fair, its also on our coaching staff for not challenging the Kincaid spot that was good by over a half yard where they instead rushed a bastardized tush push on 3rd down. The Houston ending turned out to be more Josh going rogue, and its why McD was livid on the sidelines when Allen broke protocol and tried going to deep to Hollins because as Josh put it, he thought he saw something there pre snap. I actually am way more pissed about us not challenging the Kincaid spot against KC, that mistake very likely cost us the game. But yeah, his stock increased by exceeding this season and having the whole nation furious at how bad we got F***ed by the refs on that game swinging missed first down (twice). And they also screwed us on spots for first downs on a Cooper play and Cook play too, we just ended up converting still so its not being talked about. The way I see it, the 4 glaring needs are WR, DL, S, and CB. I want to see him go get a proven difference maker on the DL via trade like Crosby or Garrett, sign someone like Holland at S, and then if we don't resign Cooper (I personally don't think he is the answer) we could look to make a move for a WR in FA or Trade, and if not address WR in the draft early while looking at the midrounds to add a CB (or 2). Perfect world for me is trade our first and a pick next year for Crosby then try and pry DK from Seattle for one of our 2nds. Probably a pipe dream, but that would be my dream scenario.

He is the difference and has been the difference. Its not even a question.

But that doesn't really prove the roster was bad, all it really proves that in a QB driven league, the QB's in between were that bad.

Post of the early offseason so far…well played sir hahaha. I wonder how many people’s “missed” the beauty of this gem haha

Get er’ done Beane!!!

Oh I don't disagree with you about the calls, its mind blowing they blew the Worthy non-catch, missed the Kincaid first down (but that is also partly on our own staff for not challenging but instead hurrying up trying to sneak it) and 2 plays later denying Allen the first down he clearly got. I don't think it was a "fix" per se, but the problem with the Chiefs is that they are so good that when a ref blows a call it can be monumental in the outcome of the game. The Chiefs don't make many, if any, mistakes in crunch time or close games. So when the refs do something to take a drive away from their opponent, make a bad call to extend a Chiefs drive, etc it makes over taking the Chiefs a near impossible feat without absolute perfection by their opponent. We have robots on Mars we can talk to and exchange data with...you can't tell me they can't get some tech to determine where the ball should rightfully be spotted in a timely fashion.

Maxx is my wish list player, he is younger too. While I would definitely prefer to spend less than 2 first rounders, but given our firsts are so late, I wouldn't object to sending this years and next years first for either player. My wish list offseason would be see if we can get Maxx for a first and change and then see if we can send one of our 2nds to Seahawks for DK. Not going to pretend to know how to make that work with the cap, but I would bet there is a path to make it work. We land Maxx and DK, I don't care what we do with the rest of the roster, we are SB favorites next year. Admittedly, I would think that is highly unlikely we could get both...but that is why this I called it my "wish list" lol. But if I can choose one or the other, I am going Maxx for sure.

Yeah, and this is also why I don't want to rely on the draft solely to fix our issues because we haven't been hitting difference makers on either side of the ball with our premium picks which doesn't help to always be picking late. Lots of starters, good players even, some busts...but we lack more impact players. I would much rather see us do for our defense what Beane did for our offense when it needed that top level player to take the next step up...and that is trade for a proven impact player like he did with Diggs when the Allen needed it in his development. I expect WR, DL, S, and CB to be the focus this offseason, and I am just hoping for once we can go get that impact player on defense, something we have yet to have in the Allen era.

This is the least that has ever been asked of him though. And many of his runs will always be runs for Allen every year. He is always going to be a guy they go to on down and short. He is always going to be a guy who will take off if he sees a big opening. Again, no one is saying we don't need a WR. The push back is to those who want to ignore defense and again (for the 4th offseason in a row) skew heavy to the offense, an offense that just finished as the 16th best in NFL history and that is with the offense taking whole quarters, even some halves off this year in blow out wins and not playing even in the last game. We for sure need to add a WR, but like the Chiefs dynasty...like the Pats dynasty...it doesn't need to be some all in move for an elite player while we just bandaid our defense again. That isn't likely change much, if anything at all. Go make the splash play on the defense to finally get one difference maker there, and then still add to our WR room with good players that fit the offense and address where we are weaker. This is a spread the ball around offense who also wants to run the ball effectively for as long as Brady is here, some top end WR impact will be capped on that fact alone. Not to mention, scoring is not our issue.

Every team spends resources on both sides of the ball...but saying we "dumped" resources is just not accurate. We used 3 of our last 5 first round picks on weapons for Josh. We have used 4 of our last 6 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft on offense. We had a draft a couple years ago where I think the entire draft but one pick was offense. We already spent our 3rd this year on a WR in Cooper. No disrespect, but we have been offensive heavy for 3 straight seasons before this one.

16th best offense in history...numerous NFL records by the offense and players on the offense. But you want to complain about the OC?

All good, it was just you said 7 more points in your previous post Again, nobody has once said not to address WR. And this above reads like you want to go all in on WR in case someone else gets hurt when WR injuries had zero to do with our playoff loss this year, or any year for that matter. Although Defensive issues sure have been a part of our playoff losses. But that was literally our entire season this year...a season where he had the least % of plays in history with a sack or turnover, a season where he wasn't even sacked for 4 straight games, a season where we were the 16th best offense in the history of the NFL. And again, no one is saying don't add a WR, literally no one. Its clear as day that WR along with DL, S, and CB are our 4 biggest needs/priorities entering the offseason. I have even personally stated WR is definitely a need and a priority. The debate is on those people who want to over spend on one WR and then just patch work our defense again. That has already not worked for teams like the Dolphins, Bengals, etc. We already score more points than Vikings with Jefferson/Addison...Miami with Hill/Waddle...Eagles with Brown/DeVonta and Barkley...Bengals with Burrow, Chase, and Higgins. We score more points than anyone has for the past 5 seasons. But who is in the SB going for their record 3rd straight SB Win? A team with a mediocre offense that didn't score 30 even one time...UNTIL...they played the Bills in the AFCCG. Who was the last dynasty before the Chiefs? Pats who won their 6 SB's with average receiving weapons at WR for Brady or worse but they always had guys that fit their system and a run game and a defense to support the greatness of what Brady did on the field. NOTE: Mahomes and Chiefs best offensive season - Didn't reach the SB (2018 they had 3rd best offense in history). The last time Mahomes was in the SB with an elite WR (Hill) they got blown out by the Bucs when their defense shut down the Chiefs. Brady's best offensive season - Lost in the SB to Eli Manning when the Giants D shut down the then highest scoring offense in history. Interesting enough, Brady's other SB loss was when he threw for over 500 yards in the Super Bowl and still lost to Nick Foles. Yet Brady's first SB win...they beat the "Greatest show on Turf" shutting down the vaulted Rams offense and throwing to scrubs at WR. Brady's last SB win in NE...they only scored 13 points and still won by TWO scores when they shut down the again vaulted Rams offense with McVay and held them to 3 points. So when in history does going all in on WR's and neglecting defense translate into a SB win? How many times has that ever worked? Now go look at see how many times a defense made a big impact on a teams SB victory...when a defense countered an elite offense. Even look back at all the SB winner the past 20 years...not many even had an elite WR. Again...when you score over 31 a game (and that is after we took the final week off essentially too), expecting to score more isn't easily accomplished. But when your defense is in the bottom of the league on 3rd down...bottom of the league on number of first downs allowed...and so on...adding a difference maker can impact that in a big way and make a more significant impact, especially when just a single stop on 3rd/4th down on one of the Chiefs scoring drives literally changes the losses to a win in our last 3 postseason losses to them.