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Not FB style runs up the middle. No no no. This is NOT what we traded up for Kincaid to be...he was NOT drafted to pull people in and get 1 on 1 on the outside, nor are we getting that with Diggs who is regularly doubled. From Beanes mouth he was drafted to catch a lot of passes, to be a big slot, to be a weapon...not a decoy. You don't run 12 personnel to "try and get 1 on 1's" on the outside with a doubled WR in Diggs and Davis who has a limited route tree and struggles to get separation. The entire purpose of Kincaid was to run as Beane called it 11.5 personnel and make him a big part of our offense. So again, you do not grasp what we are supposed to be doing with our 12 personnel but instead highlighting why we need to run less of it because its being used improperly. A WR2 is not a TE...his value needs to exceed "run blocking", especially when we don't run a lot. Hines Ward was an excellent run blocker, but he was a dangerous WR too. Davis does not produce as a WR and we are not a power fun team. So he should not be on the field 96% of snaps. This comment here is even MORE puzzling to me based on your comments above where you are trying to sell that the 12 personnel is designed to draw guys in to get 1 on 1's on the outside...well Davis is on the outside, and he is the one getting 1 on 1's and guess what...he isn't producing just like his whole career of a couple decent games a year and a whole bunch of duds. Check the stats. I have already stated why. You are literally describing the definition of predictable. So then every failed OC can labeled as execution being the reason. If the players only better executed what he wanted to do then it would have worked. Literally can be said about every fired OC in NFL history. I hate this excuse. It is the OC's job to literally put the offense in positions to where they do execute, plays they are comfortable with, game plans that can get them into rhythm. The fact the offense has been pathetic, anemic, and flat in the last 3 first half of games against weak opposition says everything about Dorsey and how he scripts the beginning of games. And in 2 of those games, the offense didn't come to life until the 4th quarter where Josh started to do more Superman things and the offense when into hurry up. Why is it taking so long for Dorsey to make these changes and get the offense going every week? I have, this blanket statement does not even remotely address what I said.

Come on gunner, you can’t say it had nothing to do with our front 4 when our 2 penetrating DTs were out of the game that were playing at practically an All-Pro level this year. That absolutely impacts the defense and how McD is going to call the game and game plan. While the depth aren’t bums, they also are not going to impact the game the way Jones and Oliver would have. Not only do they provide much more on the interior, but they change everything for the edge guys too. It’s a night and day level difference to have Oliver and Jones in the middle vs not having them in the middle. And the defensive statistics support that as well between before and after the injuries.

He was 17/17 Sunday when he did that too. This is lacking context. One its heavily skewed by the offensive dominance week 2, 3, and 4. Week 5 and 6 the offense had 7 points midway through the 4th quarter and week 7 the offense was anemic the whole first half. So these season total stats don't mean a whole lot when analyzing the most recent games which have been a steep decline since the week 4 game against Miami.

People need to let this go. Mahomes was no sure thing when drafted, in fact he was a polarizing pick ranging from mid first to 2nd round in most draft rankings. The worry on him was that his mechanics were unconventional and would need to be rebuilt to succeed in the NFL. Trubisky was the consensus top QB in the draft, followed by Watson. And if the Bills had drafted Mahomes, we still would not have won a Super Bowl. This roster was terrible that he would have joined, and he wouldn't have had the same better OL, better weapons, and better offensive system that he has in KC. The trade worked out pretty great for Bills still too landing an All Pro CB and an Elite QB still the next year. I mean you might as well drag every GM in the NFL through the mud the year Brady was drafted, including the Pats, for letting him fall to the 6th round. Hindsight is a waste of time given no one can see the future.

I get what you are saying, but when the coach is missing its starting interior DL and doesn't trust the front 4 to get home anymore, its no surprise he is trying to bring pressure from elsewhere because Mac Jones has proven to be bad under pressure all season and turnover prone. I agree, it didn't work, but I also think it had more to do with the fact that both Oliver and Jones were not playing and the front 4 wasn't going to be able to get home like it was in the Miami game. So I still can't fault the defense, which was also put in bad field positions multiple times because of our offense. And again, had the offense not sucked for an entire half, the defense would have been good enough to win that game still.

Im not sure I follow here...I never said that. I said we need to run more plays with Allen under center (meaning less shotgun plays), I wasn't saying we need to literally "run" the ball more from under center in 12 personnel. I didn't even say we should run more 12 personnel with Allen under center...I said we need to run less 12 personnel overall. I think you just misread what I was saying previously.

Come on, you can't compare the defense before losing Tre, Milano, Jones, and Oliver to the defense that played on Sunday. I am not saying McD couldn't have done a better job, but the offense also gave the Pats a short field multiple times leading to 10 early points.

Still a string of failures by Dorsey though regardless if you want to put any of NE on him or not. I personally think his first half against NE was still bad, the offense looked as flat and anemic as it had the past 2 weeks. And while its never one persons fault, especially when it comes to coaching as players need to execute, it still falls on his shoulders to make adjustments and figure out how to get the offense in rhythm, and he just doesn't have a good track record of doing that. And while the D had some struggles against NE, it was also missing its 4 best players. This game would not have come down to the defense if the offense wasn't so bad in the first half. So I have to disagree, this game wasn't on the defense. The offense in the first half was the bigger issue otherwise, the Pats wouldn't have been within 1 score to win the game on the final drive. I will honestly be stunned if he is still the OC next year unless the offense has some significant turn around the rest of this year.

No disrespect bud, but I mean that sure sounds like its "predictable" when you say "defenses are playing the run more then they see us under center especially in 12 personnel" when you are responding to me saying that we are too predictable and that is why we don't have more success running from under center. This is really where my whole point is. Cook and Kincaid need to be treated as primary weapons more, not just guys to use here and there so we don't throw to Diggs on every play. Even Allen said it himself, Diggs is "often" his first read. Kincaid should be getting at least 7-8 targets a game and Cook should be getting at least 4-5 targets himself to go along with at least 18+ combined touches a game. Every game that should be the min priority for those 2 along with Diggs. They are our next most talented weapons behind Diggs.

Its a 3 game problem, this isn't about the Pats game only. Its actually a 4 game problem if you count the Jets game, but I give that one more of a pass given first game of season and Jets have given most offenses they have faced trouble. This offense has been anemic, it is too easily defended right now, and that starts with Dorsey. Player execution matters too, but the offense needs to have an identity and rhythm, and that is something Dorsey has failed to accomplish last year or this year on any consistent basis. There is no excuse for Cook to have 0 targets against the Giants. There is no excuse for Kincaid and Knox to be averaging 6.9 yards per catch coming into week 7 despite leading the league in 12 personnel snaps. There is no excuse for Davis to lead the offense in snap count every week when he just isn't producing. These are the things that bug me about Dorsey and why it starts with him. He is out coached on almost a weekly basis, and if not for Daboll and the Giants beating themselves, this team would be on a 3 game losing streak all of which would be on the offense.

The site I checked showed 2, but doesn't mean that site is correct as I have found some sites differ on some of the stats tracked. That playoff drop is too harshly criticized IMHO. Diggs just dropped an easier catch to end the game Sunday than the one Shakir didn't make in the playoffs, in fact Diggs has multiple drops this year that were easier catches than the one Shakir didn't complete in the playoffs. And it wasn't even a full drop, the tip of the ball hit the ground on the way down and it had to be overturned on relay. Davis drops easy throws right in his hands. Camp is camp, I don't really care what happened or didn't happen in camp. I mean the camp where Mahomes became the starter, he was throwing INT's all through camp yet he went on to have the best first season of a QB ever. Just like we have guys every year who have big camps that go on to do nothing and don't even make the roster. For me, all that matters is what is he doing in the real games, and so far he is delivering when called upon while Davis musters 1 catch on a 96% snap account. He doesn't have to be the next Beasley, but I am willing to bet if he played 96% of the snaps he would get more than 1 catch. I am not clear why you think he can't track deep ball, its actually something he did very well in college and he hasn't gotten enough reps in the NFL to indicate if he can or can't. But then again, I am not saying he needs to be a deep ball guy, Davis can still fill that role as its about the only route he can run with any success. Allen just needs more help to move the chains so it can open up the downfield attack more. Right now defenses are just taking that away too easily and Dorsey has no answers for it. And Davis just isn't the guy to help Allen do that, but I personally think Shakir can be of more value in that regard than Davis. And look, I am not saying that Shakir will never drop another pass, I am just saying I feel like he is being a bit unfairly labeled as not having good hands based on a rookie year where the sample size was small and he was not used consistently or given a lot of time to develop. NOTE: One thing no one takes into consideration about last year is that Allen throws harder than any QB any of these guys have ever caught passes from, and that is especially true in live games where Allen is firing balls in the heat of the game. Receivers talked all the time about guys like Elway and Marino where it was just harder to catch their passes until you got used to the velocity. Then you add in Shakir was a reserve running with the backups rather than the 1's during practice throughout the season and also not getting many snaps either, its not a surprise he might drop a ball or two as a rookie. But this year, his hands look good and he is delivering so far on the opportunities given to him.

Disagree. You want to run designed runs, then roll him out, not run him like a FB up the middle off the snap. And Josh improvising with his legs is a big part of his game, taking that away isn't making him mature as a passer, its making him work against his instincts. Josh never was a run first QB, he has always looked to throw before running, but now he waits too long for the pass and has missed many opportunities these last 3 weeks where he could have made a positive play by pulling the ball down and taking off and either giving him a better chance for the first down or at least shortening the down to go yardage on the next play. When you run something more than anything, then statistically its going to produce yards because you still have Josh Allen and Diggs. But from an efficiency stand point, its not been good. You can't sit here and say how successful its been when we had 7 points midway through the 4th quarter of weeks 5 and 6 and just 10 points in week 7. There is nothing "successful" about the offense the past 3 weeks and against weak to bad competition to boot. We should be on a 3 game losing streak, but Giants beat themselves. And sorry, I assure you I know plenty about football. And I would say you are actually the one who doesn't understand the mismatches with a 2 TE attack given you just lumped in production that is heavily Diggs and not the TE's. Kincaid was drafted to be a receiving weapon, and coming into this game he was averaging UNDER 7 yards per catch and so was Knox. They are not using our 2 athletic TE's to put pressure anywhere else down field. The offense still produces because we still have Allen and Diggs out there, but that in no way is an indicator that we are using the 2 TE set to an advantage out there, and if you don't believe it, just go rewatch the last 3 games. If Kincaid and Knox are not being used as anything other than short dump offs or decoys, that is NOT taking advantage of mismatches, that is a poor use of the 12 personnel set, poor use of a first round TE we traded up for, and poor use a $50M TE. If we hid the names and looked only at the stat sheet, everyone would say Buffalo needs to draft a TE next year because ours average less than 7 YPC through 6 games and have pathetic production. And this gets magnified when you factor in the only other target out there besides Diggs is Davis who struggles to get separation and it puts a ton of pressure on the Allen to Diggs connection. There is a reason there is so much talk we are too reliant on Diggs offensively. We are not running the ball enough to justify Davis getting 96% of the snaps because he is good at blocking. Still not enough This has more to do with how predictable Dorsey is than anything else. Its wrong IMHO And this is the biggest issue with Dorsey, he just is consistently out coached and is poor to adjust. I don't buy that, lesser QB's and lesser teams throw to their RB's all the time because its part of their game plan. Cook is far too often a check-down often late in the read progression. And when you got an arm talent like Allen, he is more likely to see a throw he feels he can make before he gets back to Cook on the check-down, and that is assuming the OL held long enough to get through his progressions which it hasn't been doing a good job as of late.

He has 2 career drops. James Cook fumbled his first game, doesn't make him a career fumbler. This false narrative about Shakir is crazy to me, literally everyone who says he drops passes doesn't even know that he really hasn't dropped many passes. It's one of the weirdest TSW myths

He didn't pass on a Hall of Fame QB for more picks...the Bills passed on a college QB who at the time had polarizing opinions on him even being worthy of the 10th pick, let alone worthy of being picked before Watson. Trubisky was the consensus top QB in that draft. So, you don't get to go back now and pretend Mahomes was like the greatest prospect ever and we just passed on him. All the talk was that his mechanics would have to be rebuilt at the next level to succeed, and there was debate on whether he should even go in the first round. And it worked out pretty good for the Bills still landing Tre and assets that led to Allen too. Josh Allen didn't lose us that game against KC, our defense did otherwise Allen might have his own SB ring. Take away Allen and plug in Mahomes and I don't think the Bills do much better than they already have.

I think if there is a move made, it will be at LB. Dorian has shown some flashes, but he isn't ready and they know he isn't. At least at DT and CB we have guys with experience who can step in. So whether its true or not, this rumor to me is something that makes sense in terms of him making calls about LB's.

Who cares.

Because there was talk Dre could be available earlier this year during the offseason.

Frazier sucked. Defense was more aggressive since McD took over and he shut down Miami. If you cant see the difference in the defense under McD compared to Frazier, then I don't know what to tell you (in terms of prior to the injuries). Does any of that give McD a pass on any responsibility? No...but Frazier was an issue, and we are a better defense without him.

Um not sure what you are talking about given defense was much better under McD before the injuries. Unless you think 2nd in points allowed, 1st in interceptions, 1st in sacks, 1st in turnovers, and 1st in points differential is somehow worse than Frazier.

Geezus...are people really trying to make this mean something different than what it clearly means? Tweet 1: Turn the page. Tweet 2: Back to work. 100% he is saying...without doubt...to turn the page on the loss and get back to work. It's a long season, we are still 1 game out of the division lead and there is time to get back on track. Anyone else trying to make this into something else is wasting their time.

True, but he also was underperforming compared to Devin when here too, so you can't get more touches if you can't unseat the guy ahead of you, not to mention he had some injury issues too.

Unfortunately for him, that won't stay like that too long as his carries will dwindle as Taylor gets up to speed. But good for him, I could see teams calling Colts for trade interest before the deadline now that they extended Taylor. Who knows if Colts would bite though, they might prefer the 1-2 punch now to put less wear on Taylor.

Agree, and yeah, can't fault the defense much here, prior to injuries we had the largest margin of victory, 2nd lowest points allowed per game, 1st in Interceptions, 1st in sacks, and 1st in turnovers. The defense was missing 4 guys who are at or near All-Pro level when healthy in Tre, Milano, Jones, and Oliver with only Oliver not out long term. But our loss to Jags, near loss (should be loss) to Giants, and loss to the Pats was squarely on the offense and their abysmal first halves. Had the offense just been decent in those first halves we win all 3 games. Agree...and the painful part is just how obvious a lot of it is that Dorsey doesn't seem to grasp.

I won't pretend Daboll isn't better than Dorsey, because he is. And I didn't advocate to get rid of Daboll for a rookie OC, in fact, I complained about the Dorsey hire and gambling the prime years of Diggs and Allen on an inexperienced OC learning on the job. But that doesn't mean Daboll doesn't have his own warts still and they showed up in the Bills game and contributed to him losing that game last week against us.

Catching TD's is not a "concern" that is him doing his job - dropping passes and taking the offense off the field because he can't get open, drops a pass, or doesn't get his feet down in bounds is a concern.