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Instant #1 WR? Lol

At least all the Texans RBs are still sitting out and may sit again forcing them to use Akers again who doesn’t scare anyone.

Yet these kinds of trades do happen all the time where a player either is a FA the year after, or has a contract where they will be a clear cut. And I mean Texans just did that with Diggs giving us a second and voiding all future years of his deal. Rams won a SB doing it. That’s the point, it’s an all in move to win it all that year.

Step one of your conspiracy theory is a go lol…Shakir ruled out.

McD confirmed both are out. Well now if they can’t find a way to get Samuel going this week then they may never get him going.

Nah he’s not likely going to get traded until he shows he’s recovered from his hammy issue. I would guess it’s going to be at least another week before that happens.

He’s 32…why would they restructure what is an awful deal where even a restructure would be a ton of money tied to a then 33 old WR? His deal isnt guaranteed after this year, he’s gonna get cut and signed to a more reasonable deal for a 33 year old WR. But he would also be a FA and free to sign wherever too and for the most money if that’s what he wanted again. Adams is even already assumed to be one of the FA WRs next year because everyone knows Raiders were going to have to cut him after this season based on his deal.

I’m guessing he doesn’t get traded until he recovers from his hammy injury

Anyone post this yet?

Unfortunately Jets would never risk pairing Wilson with Allen for Allens prime years. But I would also make that trade Yeah no chance Wilson is traded if they acquire Adams, then whats the point of getting Adams. I cant see Jets trading Wilson regardless either though

Adams is gone after this season. We arent paying 34.5M a year for next 2 years. Its a half season rental. So trading for him if he isnt going to get us over the hump is a waste of draft assets that could have been used to draft a WR to be here 4 years on a rookie deal. You only make the trade for Adams if you are certain it puts you legitimately into serious contention to win the SB. Against the Ravens we were not a Davante Adams away from winning that game. But you also can't base it on one game. So I think Beane will more likely wait and see what this team does next couple weeks before he knows if Adams gets us to the big dance or not. If not, its a waste of time.

I think it is too early for Beane to know if this team is worth going all in on for one player. We looked elite 3 weeks and laid a dud our first big test. I think its more likley Beane will see how this team plays a couple more games before he can feel confident or not that going all in on one player could get us over the hump this year. But...what is working in our favor are 3 things: We looked unreal the first 3 weeks. Our dud game was a collective dud effort top to bottom...players both sides of the ball and coaches. I don't think everyone believes we are as bad as the team played against the Ravens. Most important - The top of the AFC does not look as daunting as it did in the preseason. KC may be the most vulnerable they have been with the losses they have taken too and don't seem to be a player on bringing in any significant help. Bringing in another WR does not mean they give up on the "everybody eats" moto. That isn't flawed, Josh should be looking to find the open man each play and not force feeding any WR on the field we would trade for. Like everyone, I badly want a Super Bowl. My stance is lets see what this team can do these next couple weeks. If we roll Texans and Jets I will be more for going all in on a player this year if it really looks like we can get over the hump. If we don't appear to be a player away, then I don't want to see us create more cap issues or lose premium pick(s) on a short aging rental. Exception - If Budda Baker is available, I am all for getting him regardless as he would be more than a short term rental as he is still 28 and one of the best safeties in football.

This was by far the best thing he said so far...he cooked Baker 😂

Yeah, Stingley will be a formidable challenge this week for the rook, and yeah how they are using Samuel has been a mystery to say the least. But I would expect to be less a mystery if Shakir missed the game and he would more play his role this week at least giving him hopefully more structure and purpose to maybe get involved. I have a feeling if Shakir has to miss this week we may see more 12 personnel too...although Jury is out if they can be effective with it still.

Honestly was one of the worst play calls I have seen both in design and timing. Not gonna hang Brady on it, he took full responsibility of how dumb it was and admitted it probably cost them their chance to get back in the game overall. So given his first 14 games he was 12-2 and the offense never had a day like this, I will give him the benefit of the doubt that this was a mistake and lesson he wont forget or make again

2 key things about this game regarding Diggs: No doubt Diggs will have some extra juice for this game, more so than he had for his first game back in Minny. No doubt CJ Stroud being a young player is going to feel real pressure to get Diggs the ball even if Diggs is not putting that pressure on him. CJ is a young QB and I can really see maybe not playing as freely as he should this week knowing the importance of this game to Diggs. I can easily see him pressing to get him the ball more and I think that could play into our favor.

Haha ok now I follow Although what happens to this theory if Samuel finally emerges and someone like Coleman or Kincaid has a big game haha, could back fire

Incorrect. Helps to read the full sentence...or better yet the whole post.

I get your frustration, but its not a mentality, its just the reality. Facts are we have $31m in Dead money to a WR not on the roster. That was a move they felt was in the best interest of the long term direction of the team. Beane had not planned on Diggs being traded this year when we extended him and then reworked his deal. But things changed and he pivoted. It is what it is. This was a offseason we had to shed a lot to fix the cap issue as quick as possible so they could keep investing in everything around Josh and not have to keep bargain shop as much on both sides of the ball to fill holes and depth. More importantly, this notion that the only way to invest in Josh's success is only via WR is flawed. They have invested in weapons, the OL and the run game to all support Josh. Biggest issue when Daboll was here was the OL and not being able to effectively run the ball. Everyone here and around the NFL kept saying it can't all be on Josh, he needs a run game. And since Brady took over and we finally could effectively run the ball, we are 12-3 and averaging 10 points more per game than Dorseys final 6 games here of force feeding Diggs. Allen just had his best 3 game stretch of his career to start the season. But by no means does that mean Beane is also done either. But investments to get Kincaid, build up the OL, get Cook, and Coleman are all for Josh's benefit. Keep in mind, over the last 3 drafts we have had 6 picks in the first 2 rounds, and 4 of them were help for Josh via TE, WR, OL, and RB. Over the past 5 drafts, our first pick in the draft was used on an offensive weapon 3 of those 5 picks. And every one of those picks are starting on this team right now except Diggs who was traded but still on our books

Huh? This a typo? Otherwise how does Shakir missing a game get us to the Super Bowl? If he even misses the game

I agree with all this

Where did I say he wasn't? You said TSW never wants to give up picks, and I said no, people are always more or less willing to trade all the time. See the plethora of the threads every time any name anyone knows is rumored to be available. Beane on the other hand is both aggressive and yet protective of his picks. He won't just throw picks away on half year rentals unless he is fully of the belief that trade puts us at the top of the heap to compete to win it all. I have repeatedly said Beane has proven he is aggressive when he sees a move he feels is the right move for the team or moves the needle. So he isn't afraid to move up in the draft or get a player long term like he did Diggs in his prime. But you are talking about old WR's who are likely short term rentals. Not a chance he gives up any picks for one unless he fully believes that the move puts Bills at the forefront of competing THIS year for a Super Bowl.

Personally I think there is no question before the season began that our Safeties were in worse shape than the overall collection of weapons for Allen on the offense. Especially given the importance of the position to McD's defense and veteran experience we lost with both Hyde and Poyer leaving. Don't get me wrong, it was time to move on, but I don't think anyone expected us to "get better" with Rapp, Edwards, Hamlin, and a rookie who missed a lot of camp from an injury. And in the Ravens game, the defense and especially the safeties were particularly bad.

We had a lot of holes to fill this year, you can't fix it all in one off-season, especially when you have cap constraints like having an additional $31M dead cap invested into the WR position to make moving on from Diggs possible. Meanwhile, Beane had just invested a first to bring Kincaid in the year before to be a weapon along side a TE they had just extended the year before to run more 12 personnel. Then they had Shakir emerging, signed Samuel, and used their first pick in the draft on a WR. But at no point has Beane ever once even suggested he is done. There is no doubt Beane and the Bills will 100% be investing more into the WR position again this offseason, and if he thinks this team can get over the top this year, he may make a move before the deadline if the right deal is there.

I get where you are coming from, and normally I wouldn't disagree with this as I have advocated hard in the past for a WR, even to go get Adams the past 2 seasons. I badly wanted to see someone else opposite Diggs than Davis. But I do think you underestimate just how good Baker is and how important Safety is to this defense. And after watching the Ravens game, I would be pretty stoked to see him in a Bills uniform, not to mention he is one of my favorite Non-Bills players around the league. Not saying we will or should go Safety over WR, but Baker unquestionably would be a significant upgrade to our secondary. Wonder if there is a way they could add both Baker and one of the WR's that are being most discussed here (Adams, Hopkins, Cooper). Off the top of the head feels impossible from a cap perspective, but then again, thats above my pay grade and for Beane to figure out lol