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I think you missed the part where he was comparing Worthy and Shakir, not Keon.

Just wanted to say congratulations to Shakir and his new deal and this felt like the thread to do it. I said all over this board during the season he was not only going to get extended, but it was going to happen this offseason because Beane would be motivated to lock him up now before FA and Shakir would be motivated to get a new deal now rather than play on a 5th round rookie contract one more season risking injury before FA. Not to mention, the whole organization loves Shakir and he seems to love it here, so the motivation for a fair deal at a home town discount was all there. I couldn't love this deal more...great move Beane and couldn't be happier for Shakir who earned every bit of this life changing deal. LFG! GO BILLS! 2024 Highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGZ9o0ZaeSs

So you think garbage time stats in the Super Bowl down 34-0 makes his post season great? LMAO...you just want to stick to your original position at all costs.

This is where I get to write: I told you so This is what I have been saying...Bills love him and want him here...he loves it here and wants to be here...he is on a 5th round rookie deal where an injury risk is huge for him this year. They were going to for sure want to extend him now before he gets to FA and he would be motivated to get it done and give a home town discount well below where people like sportrac were saying over $19M. LOVE LOVE LOVE this. Great for him, Great for the Bills. LFG.

I actually really like Ollie, but with Davis here not sure he is the style of back they would target if they did move on from Cook via trade over the contract. Feels like they would look to pair more of a big play threat, home run hitter with Davis. As intriguing as Ollie is, his speed is more down hill style and while he has good long speed, he isn't that explosive in short areas. I think they like how Cook was shifty and explosive in short areas around the LOS and will look to bring someone in who brings more of that if we did move on from him. But I wouldn't hate us drafting Ollie by any means.

So did Diggs to be fair

He has certainly said stuff like this about Elam, he also said it about other rookies too, and from the early going. Guys like Ford for example. I mean both McD and Beane made comments about Kincaid too, who is just a 2nd year player. The difference is, Keon is a much higher profile player than most rookies because of 3 factors, so it gets more attention: He was the first real addition to replace Diggs (and Davis) in the same season and came with high expectations because of it He was our first pick in the draft making him our highest profile rookie, and a controversial pick at that given we traded back before we took him and didn't take some other guys some thought we might take He immediately became a media darling out the gate, so he garners a lot of attention because of his charismatic personality and funny sound bites So when a coach or GM talks about him, its going to get noticed more and even more over analyzed. This

I mean if you listen to the interview and not just read the carefully plucked statements to drive engagement, you will see that the comments aren't nearly the damning comments they are being made out to be. I mean he is just being straight about what Keon's rookie season was. There were some great things we saw, and there were some moments we all know Keon would love to have back. And he obviously didn't get back to where he was after the injury, so McD isn't saying anything that Keon and everyone already doesn't know. End of the day, he was a rookie on a team whose leading receiver had less than 900 yards and he still managed to put up 556 yards, avg 19.2 yards per catch for a guy that everyone here said was too slow to be a big play threat, and this was despite missing 4 games due to injury. There is plenty to still be optimistic of with Keon, he showed more good than bad as a rookie, and like McD said, its on him in terms of how well and fast he continues to develop.

So you’re saying that the #4 offense in nfl history lost because…the opponents defense. Just like the #1, 2, and 3 offenses in NFL history did too in the playoffs. But I bet it won’t stop you from saying we need more offense though

Don’t worry, the we must go all in on WR crowd will still find ways to ignore and spin all the facts to argue not to invest in the defense still. It’s utterly mind boggling.

No problemo bud

Good post and honestly, I don't know how more people don't see it this way either. As much as I would like to see Cook stay, being honest about him, he is a 2 down back that is a liability in pass pro who benefits greatly from a great OL and a QB that defenses need to fear as a runner and as a QB with the best arm in the game. Cook reminds me a bit of guys like Deion Branch, Peerless Price, etc where they excelled in the specific environments they were in, but struggled after they got traded in other situations. Is he really that good or is he really benefitting from being along side Allen and behind this OL to where he is over achieving? I mean Davis had a great game in the one game he started for Cook, and journeyman Ty has been the 3rd down RB over Cook with Allen even calling him the best 3rd down back in the league. I am with you and like the 8 to 10 million range myself, and if that cant get it done (which doesn't seem like it would) I would at least start gauging his trade value/interest around the league, especially heading into a strong draft to be looking for a RB replacement.

I mean we have invested very little draft wise into the position and used low cost FA’s to fill roles. Serviceable is the word to describe almost all of them because that is what you get when you don’t invest into the position.

A good comparison in my mind is Big Ben. He evolved past being a physical runner as his age increased, and that allowed Ben to be a good QB longer than say someone like Cam Newton who really wasn’t a great QB, so when Cam’s physical gifts started to decline so did his career and sharply because he was never a high level passer. Big Ben retired at 39 after 18 seasons and his best season as a passer in his career was when he was 35 or 36 in 2018 when he threw for over 5000 yards. In fact the best 2 year span of his career was his mid 30’s in 2017 and 2018 when he was 35 and 36 years old and threw for over 9,300 yards and had 65 TDs.

I think Keon, Bishop, SVPG, and Davis obviously have the best chance to be good players for us. I still like Solomon's potential too. But as many have pointed out, its way too early to tell anything about any of these guys. Obviously, Keon and Davis showed the most as rookies, but Keon wasn't the same after he got back from injury and Davis chances were limited with Cook here and Ty emerging as well. So still a lot to prove, but with Keon specficially, I think adding a downfield threat to the WR room is going to really help him as well.

Not aimed at just you....but...Did anyone read the article? No where in the article does it say he made it up, in fact, the entire article states it all did happen, he just regrets how big it got and how he didn't want to be the face of bullying. His dad even plays a voice mail by Ritchie saying and doing all the things he was alleged to have said and done. Don't get me wrong, Martin is soft as charmin...but literally nothing in this article says he made it up or that it didn't happen. In fact, every person they interviewed in this article acknowledges things happened in there.

Convenient to leave it out? 1st Down - Guys are wide open and Allen throws a bad pass that Romo called a "throw away" it was so off. 2nd Down - Guys are open and Allen has a his ball batted down at the LOS on a throw to Samuel that would have been a first down. 3rd Down - Allen completes to Cooper on a WR screen, he doesn't fall down, his back foot slips a little but even so, the only way the play can work is if all the blocking also works perfect, which it doesnt and Cooper is tackled for a short gain. 4th Down - Guys are wide open but Allen shifts the protection to the wrong side as Spags confuses him, our team, and coaches leading to free releases on the blitz and Allen doesn't see a wide open Shakir to his left for an easy first down and more and is forced to throw to what was a wide open Kincaid down field but under duress falling away which ends up being a prayer ball that Kincaid tries to adjust to and can't complete the catch. We did not lose because we did not have guys open or because who was on the field. We lost because on the final 4 down series we had guys open on every down and we failed to take advantage of them. So for the last time, our series ending had nothing to do with not having open targets for Allen to throw to. End of story. And the only reason we were in this position was once again our defense let the Chiefs score over 30 (for the only time this entire season) a week before another team completely shuts them down (3rd time in 4 of our Chiefs losses in the postseason Chiefs would get shut down a week later and lose). PS: If (as you claimed earlier) we would have scored on that Cooper screen (which he was not going to do even if he didn't slip), Mahomes still gets the ball back with over 2 minutes and timeouts only down 3 or 4 (depending if Bass converts the XP). Mahomes is the only QB in history with a 100% success rate of scoring on the final drive to tie or win the game in the postseason. And not only is he perfect, he has the most attempts at while also remaining 100% and no other QB is even over 50%. And given our defense was amongst the worst in the NFL at allowing first downs and amongst the worst in 3rd down conversions, if you think Mahomes who gets 4 downs now to keep moving the ball isn't scoring the go ahead TD on that next drive then you have not been paying attention or watching this defense trying unsuccessfully to stop Mahomes late in games.

Hollywood Brown ran a 4.27 40 at his combine, he is a guy who has another gear down field. He isn't a big WR, but outside of this year when he missed all but 2 regular season games from an injury in camp, he has been relatively durable for a guy his size with only one other season with less than 14 games played. He is still only 27 years old. Slayton is quite a bit undervalued IMHO after playing in such a desolate QB wasteland. He is a former first round pick in 2019 and just been in QB purgatory there in NY. Not as fast as Brown, but he ran a 4.39 at the combine, still plenty fast. He has shown to be a big play guy for the Giatns despite the woeful QB play during his career. I am not saying either guy is coming to Buffalo and becoming a top 10 WR, but both bring an element we are lacking as a downfield threat and would come at an affordable price as well. I think both will have an opportunity to be the best versions of themselves here with Allen in this offense.

I mean we were the 16th best in history, best all time for the Bills. If that isn't good enough you got other issues wouldn't you say?

Don't get me wrong, I get your reservations fully, which is why I said you still draft one early if you sign either of those guys. I personally don't put a lot of stock in what PFF says, especially with the situation hes been in compounding that further. Slayton IMHO is certainly better than PFF is giving him credit for and its why he will have suitors too. I honestly havent seen what Browns market is estimated to be at, I just know he was cheap last year and did nothing to change that this year given he didn't really play much thanks to the injury. If you are saying $18M per year for 2 years then yeah, thats gross and I wouldn't be interested either. But if you are saying $18M for the 2 years, or $9M a season, I would be fine with that because if healthy he is a better WR than a $9M a year guy and he adds an element to the offense we lack. None the less, signing either of them (or Cooper) needs to accompany drafting someone early still.

Its all good bud, and make no mistake about it, we need to and will add another boundary WR this offseason. I am not against it at all, its just we better do something to help the defense get out of the bottom of the league at 3rd down stops and first downs allowed or its hard to imagine things being much different. I would love to throw 2 firsts at Garrett then turn around and try and entice Seattle with a 2nd and maybe one of our 4th or 5th rounders and see if they bite. Will it happen, most likely not, but if I was in Beanes spot with a team this close with this few of glaring holes, I would be trying to make those 2 trades happen (or Crosby if not Garrett)

I get that, you play the better teams the games are naturally closer, like the Ravens game. But even in that game, our D didn't come through, someone just dropped the ball and it gave us the win. And look at what the Eagles DL did...they made sure there was no narrow margin of error just the Bucs did when they smashed the Chiefs too. At one point the Eagles were up 34-0. 29 points should have been enough against this low scoring Chiefs team that had not scored 30 all season except the game they beat us in the AFCCG when they scored 32. And as I have mentioned previously, in the 4 games KC knocked us out of the playoffs they went on to lose their next game 3 times. In their wins over us they average 35 ppg...in those 3 losses the following week (including 2 SB losses) they averaged just 17 PPG. So, our defense is clearly the one putting us into a low margin of error situations every post season by just folding like a lawn chair and its hard to expect different results if we cant get some people on that side of the ball capable of getting off the field on 3rd down a couple more times a game.

Personally, I think Hollywood Brown or Darius Slayton could also be the guy they bring in while also maybe drafting a guy. And honestly, I think I prefer one of them over Cooper as they at least bring more of a downfield threat that this team lacks elsewhere.

I think Tee Higgins either stays in Cincy or ends up with either the Pats or Commanders.

My preference is we trade this first round pick in a package that gets us back Garrett or Crosby. But if we still have the pick, I am guessing at 30 the BPA will likely be someone on the DL as the draft rolls around. Of course trades, FA, and the combine can affect a lot of things heading into the draft, but just looking at it now that is what I would guess.