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Except McD isn’t meddling in the offense. Not sure why this narrative persists.

I think the point @HoofHeartedis making is that the result was a poor pass by Wilson, exactly what you want to accomplish there. Wilson heaved a prayer ball knowing the possibility of a PI especially on under thrown deep balls might bail him out because he was gonna be sacked otherwise. Unfortunately, the prayer ball worked out in the favor. The point being that the defense accomplished what it wanted in disrupting Wilson and forcing him into a poor pass. We caught an unfortunate break that Taron couldn't tell it was so under thrown and turn to get back to it prior to making contact as the receiver jumped back for the ball. I mean I would take a QB heaving a praryer ball sky high off his back foot 10 times out 10 over one where he got a drop back and clean pocket. The funny thing is that if McD didn't blitz there and Wilson had a clean pocket and delivered a strike to the same place on the field the PI occurred for a completion this board would be screaming to fire McD because he did NOT blitz and let Wilson just be comfortable and deliver the pass.

I get what you are saying, but still put it all on the offense. Both those games we should have been up multiple scores by the 4th quarter, not playing from behind trying to steal a win. Other teams are blowing those teams out and our team can't break 25 points. So many bad calls and mistakes like the Pats game where came away with 0 points after Dorsey ran on 3rd and goal from inside the 1 and chose to do it in shotgun with a past his prime RB 6 yards behind the LOS. Which by the way, was the 2nd week in a row he made the exact same stupid decision that didn't work either game. Point is, while yes the defense came up short at the end of the game, the only reason the defense was in that position was because our offense stinks. And our defense has frequently been out on the field way too long thanks to the anemic offense and its already severely short handed as it is. The offense has been healthy for the most part yet has been our achilles heal every week. So not disagreeing with you about the defense coming up short on those drives, but I fault the D less for that and more the O for even being in that position and often on the field more than they should be too because the offense has stunk.

Anyone complaining about the defense as if it was the reason why we lost must just be watching different games than me because all 5 of our losses are 100% of the shoulders of the offense. This one play is so minor compared to the 6 week s*** show that has been this pathetic offense and why Dorsey was the first to go.

I agree and optimistic myself

Hahaha touche and yeah I expect that

Lot of skepticism in here...and its fair skeptcism given the gravity of the situation. But, look at what a coaching shakeup did for the Raiders...2 straight wins and a completely different intensity and level of fire in the players. This offense was flat, had no identity, no consistency, no fire and hasn't been having any fun. If the change to Brady can breath some renewed life into the players and offense, bring some identity, can bring some creativity and new wrinkles...then he doesn't have to be perfect for there to be a big boost to this team and for the Bills to go on a run. And if the offense gets back to being what it should be, this team can still beat anyone in the league. But with the anemic offense of the past 6 weeks it was also capable of losing to literally any team in the league too. So lets hope Brady brings the offense back up to where it should be

DUDE SAME! My son is 5 1/2 months old and I find it hard now to get overly upset at football anymore or any other stupid stuff.

Yes we can still both make the playoffs and win the AFCE...but now we are faced with 2 stark realities... Bills can not lose more than 1 more game despite facing the 3rd hardest remaining schedule in the NFL that includes the top AFC and NFC team in Chiefs and Eagles, our divisional leader in Miami, and both the Cowboys and Chargers, both tough games. Our other 2 games, which to anyone else would be "easy" games, are Jets and Pats who have both beat us this year already. Bills need help from the Dolphins to win the AFCE and now need them to lose TWO more games than us before our week 17 showdown. At this point, the odds of us making the playoffs are completely tied to Brady and this offense. The defense has done well enough despite the injuries for his to be undefeated right now, but the offense who laid an egg week 1 and then has avg 20.5 PPG the past 6 weeks has been the achilles heal. But can Brady make that kind of an impact out the gate is a real question mark and tall ask. There is NO room for error or growing pains. This offense has to come out and face a tough Jets D right out the gate with a new OC and a 6 week slump. If the Bills offense can go ahead and show well against the Jets D, then I wills start to think there is a chance we can do what needs to be done to get to the playoffs. But we will 100% miss the playoffs if the switch from Dorsey to Brady does not make a significant improvement to the offense.

Im not saying there is no blame on Allen, I am saying that Dorsey and his system have failed to put the best version of Allen on the field. His offensive play design sucks...there are a TON of real players and analysts out there who have shown substantial amount of poor play design on the All-22 footage the past season and a half under Dorsey. His play calling sucks. His use of personnel sucks. His consistency sucks, and by intention from Dorsey's own mouth. Dorsey Sucks. Does that mean Allen has been perfect or that its all only Dorsey...no of course not. But the offense starts with Dorsey, coaching matters. Look at what a difference the Raiders saw in firing everyone 2 weeks ago...look at the energy of the players, the vibe they have now, 2 wins in a row since dumping that loser McDaniels. For whatever reason, Dorsey was not capable of building a rhythm and identity with this team. Daboll wasn't perfect, made his own share of bone head calls...but at least under Daboll the team had an identity and played with energy and fire. This team has lacked that 100% under Dorsey. So hate on Allen all you want, but I for one am glad that Dorsey is gone and I do not think he was the right coach for Allen and this offense.

Exactly why Dorsey was fired...albeit may be 2 to 3 weeks too late

No fumbles in the postseason.

Again, he only has like 4 more INT's than Mahomes and 3 more than Burrow during the past 2 seasons coming into this year. And he has never cost us a single playoff game from a turnover with only 4 career turnovers.

No, the playoff numbers are TOTAL turnovers because Allen has 0 playoff fumbles. Allen has 20 TD's to 4 total turnovers in 8 playoff games...literally double the TD-TO ratio of Burrow who only has 10 TD's with 4 Turnovers. I mentioned INT's in the regular season because that is all anyone is talking about with Allen right now, interceptions. Yes he had some fumbles which makes his turnovers stats higher, but he was also being run like a FB for several years. No one is saying Allen doesn't need to be better at taking care of the ball, the point is the two guys commonly rated above him in Mahomes and Burrow have had a lot more to work with and only thrown a few less INT's than Allen in the regular season coming into this year. And Allen had a lot more working against him those 2 years too with an OC change, injury to his throwing arm, bad weather at home, and less talent to work with. And come playoff time, turnovers are NOT the reason the Bills have been eliminated from the playoffs...not once has it been because of an Allen turnover.

You understand how insane it is to pretend his first 2 seasons he was set up to succeed? Kelvin Benjamin was his #1 WR when he was drafted. We had no talent on this roster and Allen came from a small school and was totally raw. People like you like to lump in his career totals so you can use those early years to mask the last 3 years where he was an MVP finalist all 3. Its insane. News flash: Coming into 2023, Allen only had 4 more INTs than Mahomes and 3 more than Burrow over the past 2 regular seasons. And Mahomes had more talent around him and a much better OL along with Andy Reid. Burrow had an elite cast of weapons. And Allen played half of one of those seasons with an injured throwing elbow. Bonus news flash: Josh has 10 more (which is DOUBLE) the amount of TD's than Burrow and a lower turnover rate than Burrow in the post season despite only playing 1 more game than him. Allen is not the problem.

You need a 3rd answer: Undecided or Inconclusive Ive long thought, and still do, that McD is a good football coach. His coaching record supports that, and honestly, its indisputable no matter how bad someone wants him gone. However, not every good football coach is the right coach for the team at a specific time. Andy Reid's time came to a close in Philly, Belichick is wearing out his welcome in NE, Coughlin wore his welcome out more than once, Harbaugh lost the team in SF, etc etc. Sometimes a fresh change is just needed for the team and the coach. So even if McD is replaced, I will hold the opinion he is a good football HC while he is on the open market and I would expect him to land a new gig. But, I don't know if McD is done here right now...I know that Dorsey and the offense have been a major problem and the sole reason we have 5 losses though. The defense, despite its injuries has played well enough and held together well enough after devastating injuries for us to be 10-0, but the offense crapped the bed week 1 and then again in all 4 of our losses along with 2 weak wins we barely snuck out with against Giants and Bucs. So...for me, I want to see how this team now responds to the shake up of getting rid of Dorsey. It doesn't mean Joe Brady is the answer either, I mean he is an interim OC, not someone they went out and hired to rebuild the offense. But, if McD to get this team to rally around Brady and turn this thing around and make the playoffs still, then I support McD returning next year either with Brady or someone else at OC if need be. But, if its just more of the same the rest of the season even after the change and we miss the playoffs then I think its time for a new coaching staff and let Beane find his guy (McD was hired before Beane).

Can you name one thing you like about the Bills? Just one. I have never seen you like anything or anyone on this team...ever. It's like every Bills loss is a mini Christmas for you.

No one is talking about it because its a non issue given the refs got the call right. It was a catch, he was down before ball came out, and where he caught ball was enough for a first down.

W O R T H T H E L O S S

YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! WORTH THE LOSS!

Kincaid wasn’t involved in an INT. The one to Davis was on Davis, but the one to Harty was on Allen

Ah, was in a bar and didn’t see that on replay yeah I didn’t see the replay, so I thought it was on Cook, but I see now it was Josh

He fumbled 2 times too

Josh has trained every offseason. Then after playing through a hurt elbow and a tragic and emotional season he takes some time to recover and you all lose your minds. It’s utterly ridiculous

You know Mahomes golfed all off season right? He went on multiple family vacations too.