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He’s actually a pretty precise route runner. Not sure why some think he isn’t. Biggest question marks are his hands as he had some drops and doesn’t always play up to his size the way you would think for contested balls. But route running is one of his strengths.

He was that good before injuries. Draft can’t predict injuries

I think its time to update the mock because the draft is tomorrow as it is...there is a clear winner here in the poll

Like I said, I am pretty sure its about Booker closing out the Clippers yesterday, they are good friends.

The tweet from OBJ I think is about Devin Booker who he’s boys with and frequently at Suns games. Suns bounced the Clippers last night from playoffs, hence “BOOOOOKUMMM” tweet. But people assuming it must mean either Lamar signed or Hopkins is coming…or both.

Oh gotcha, sorry I thought you meant in general. I actually didn't know there was a new clip today, just saw it though

Pac-man literally cited the Ravens, and its where the term "skrong" originated when he used that (implying strong) term regarding the possibility of him becoming a Raven. So how can you say "Not Ravens." when Pac-man has specifically stated the Ravens are a strong contender for Hopkins?

My hot take: Despite popular belief around here, 3 or 4 Tight Ends (I see people suggesting Kincaid, Mayer, Washington and even sometimes seen people suggest either LaPorta or Musgrave as first rounders) will not be drafted round 1 and Dalton Kincaid will NOT be the first TE taken. At most 2 will go, and Michael Mayer will be the first one drafted.

Hahaha touche, well played. Personally I don't think he goes any sooner than Detroit at 48. Detroit has another pick at 55 too, so I think that is Jack Campbell's best shot at going before our pick at 59. ack Campbell feels like the type of old school player Dan Campbell likes and I can see him going to Detroit at 48 or 55. And if he gets past both of Detroit's picks, then I think is likely on the board on 59 if Bills are interested and if we were to pass then I would think Eagles would give a heavy look at 62 given the losses they had at LB this free agency. That is my range of where I think he goes...between 48 and 62.

Gronk panning out though didn't change the fact he did have legit medical flags. There are a significantly more amount of players with medical concerns and red flags who didn't pan out. So if Darnell Washington's medicals are a legit concern, he is going to drop for sure into 2nd round or possibly lower if they are significant concerns, especially in a rich TE class at the top. Now if the medicals are being exaggerated (very possible) to try and drive his price down, then he could go in the first still. Is this really a hot take though? I mean I think this is the range most people expect him to go

Yeah, I do think Buffalo could still legitimately trade for Hopkins, but I also feel Beane is waiting to see if he will have an opportunity to get Addison or JSN first in the draft (or whatever WR's they feel good about in that first round). And I agree, swapping picks and sending Oliver almost certainly makes no sense for AZ, and prob not a lot of sense for Buffalo right now. The only value going to AZ is Oliver and a small move up in the draft, no additional draft picks are being added. That means AZ both has to value Oliver as a long term piece and/or really want someone at 27. We are sitting here looking at 27 as a place to trade down from, so how much value does this move up really have to AZ? There would need to be someone they legitimately covet and feel that his value is noticeably higher than anyone they would get at 34. We are only talking 9 spaces, and all the players going in these ranges likely have round 2 grades already given this is a weak top end draft. Oliver - If the value isn't there with the pick swap, then Oliver would need to be a piece they valued and want to extend and keep around. Given his inconsistency, not sure AZ is looking at Oliver that way. Beane would also be making an all in type move to get Hopkins given he has short term value with his age, so would he really want to weaken our DL by creating another hole he has to fill in a year we are pushing for a SB? Especially given they type of offenses we face this year both in our division and outside our division (AFC West and NFC East along with Cincinnati). This is a defense that already has a big hole to fill with Edmunds gone. So for me, I do think a trade is still possible, however I think this idea of a pick swap and sending Oliver is not realistic, and that is coming from me who proposed this exact trade months ago (mainly to make the cap stuff work). I think if the Bills miss out on whatever WR's they were targeting in the first, a Hopkins trade might become more realistic for them. But I think that trade is going to need to include a draft pick(s) to AZ and I no longer think moving Oliver is going to be how Beane approaches the handling the cap stuff. There are a number of other ways to make the money work, especially since Hopkins has made it clear he is willing to work with the new team on his contract to facilitate the trade. My guess...sending AZ a 3rd next year that could conditionally become a 2nd. Or sending our 3rd this year, but if I was AZ, I would rather take the potentially better draft asset in a draft next year that is expected to be noticeably better draft than this year. And if the Bills did get a 3rd comp pick next year, that offsets the sting of trading our 3rd (that could become a 2nd) next year quite a bit too.

I wonder if the poll is a bit skewed just given it sounds like the trade details on the Hopkins trade originally were not as complete as they are now and that caused people to vote differently in the beginning. I am quite surprised Hopkins trade is not the leading vote getter right now, and I suspect that might be the cause.

I actually proposed this trade months ago. So I would be all for it given I don’t expect us to pay Oliver after this season.

Yeah couldnt decide between Johnston or Addison for Chargers. I went Addison because Keenan is 31 and I think Herbert is going to really miss the precise route running of Allen. But I totally could see it go Johnston then Addison. I looked at CB and Edge for both teams too, just the ones left from the board IMHO weren't as attractive as the two WRs. I wanted Joey Porter in one of those spots, but you snagged him a pick early.

Welp, those 2 picks are not gonna make Bills fans happy with a mini WR run going back to back. I think TE is certainly in play at 21 for the Chargers, however, 3 were drafted in the first 20 picks (which I think is a bit unrealistic). This board every year seems to fall in love with TE's and they go earlier in these mocks more often than they do in the real draft. So I do think there will be a TE on the board at 20 that Chargers could take. They could also have gone CB or Edge there, but just wasn't as enamored with the guys left on the board as I was with Addison and felt he was the BPA there. With Ravens, OBJ has some question marks both on and off the field. Adding Johnston at WR there just made too much sense to pass up, especially with all the question marks still surrounding OBJ on and off the field. There is a real chance that if the WR's start to drop, a mini run could begin here at picks 21 and 22 that would also include the Giants as well at 25. If Addison gets past the Ravens at 22, then I would look out for the Bills calling the Jags to get ahead of the Giants to try and get him.

And D-HOP is substantially better than Davis. SO....Diggs, DHop and Sherfield are a massive upgrade to what we had last year. Our 3rd outside WR last year was Kumerow and Sherfield is a lot better than him too. So what I said is correct. If we traded Davis as part of a trade to get Dhop, our top 3 outside WRs of Diggs, DHop and Sherfield are significantly better than the trio of Diggs, Davis and Kumerow last year. And its not even close.

With the 22nd pick in the 2023 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select: WR, Quentin Johnston, TCU CLICK HERE FOR HIGHLIGHTS We are thrilled to add another weapon to our WR room, especially given the recent assault allegations that have arisen against OBJ shortly after he signed here. Quentin brings a big target and size to this team and someone we can believe can be a true WR1 here for us. He is a good route runner for someone his size and knows how to create separation. We are excited to see him along side OBJ and Andrews giving our offense a whole new dimension it has been lacking in recent years. @Big Blitzand the Vikings are now on the clock

With the 21st pick in the 2023 NFL Draft, the Los Angeles Chargers select: WR, Jordan Addison, USC CLICK HERE FOR HIGHLIGHTS With our targets at TE and CB off the board, we turn our focus on infusing more youth and playmakers into our offense with Addison. Giving Justin another weapon like Addison who excels as a route runner and can play all over the field was just too good to pass up here. We are thrilled to still have our duo of Willams and Allen for him to learn the game from and know he Addison's presence on the field will only help their games as well. Next up are Alphadawg7 and the Baltimore Ravens.

DIGGS, DHop, and Sheffield outside is a massive upgrade to what we had outside last year. We definitely could include Gabe if they wanted in a trade that landed DHop. And we would still be able to draft another WR if we wanted to say in the mid rounds. Like nab someone with high upside like Boutte from LSU in round 4 as just one example.

I agree on where Charbonnet likely goes and I think it’s a close grade between him and Roschon personally. I personally prefer Roschon for his versatility though

Pats missed playoffs in a 16 game season after winning 11 games too. It is going to be very important we win our division and that starts and stops with us winning our divisional games. We should go 2-0 vs Pats, no explanation needed. We should have been 3-0 vs fins last year (2 with Tua), but we know the extreme circumstances that had to occurred for his drop the first one (barely). So I think we will go 2-0 against them this year. Jets though, hard to say until we see Rodgers on the field with them. If we get them early at least one game, I think we get that one as it’s gonna take some time for all the prices to likely gel. So I think 1-1 here is a reasonable expectation if we assume Rodgers plays well. If we can handle business and go 5-1 in the division, then I don’t see us losing the division. 4-2 would make things a lot closer but could still get it done. Im not worried as much about the games outside the division, at least not the tough ones because our divisional rivals play them too. So that I think works itself out

I also would much prefer the 3rd, just saying I wouldn't be upset if he ended up being the pick in the 2nd because I don't think he makes it to us in the 3rd. Or maybe we trade up from our 3rd to get him too, I would be ok with that as well.

As the draft approaches, my love affair for Roschon has only increased. I can't shake what an ideal fit he would be in Buffalo and his stock is only continuing to rise to the point now that I think he very well could go day 2 in the 2nd round. It wouldn't surprise me if he was the 3rd or 4th RB off the board. And that being said, if he was there in the 2nd at 59, I honestly would not be upset if we took him that early because I think he is going to be that good and an excellent pairing with Cook as a tandem for the next few years. I had hoped to get him in the 3rd, but I think there is a solid chance he is gone before that pick.

I don’t disagree, my point was only that there is a lot of chatter about Texans being enamored with him. That includes my friend in Texas who’s got a close connection to the Texans and said he’s heard the same down there. He’s actually pissed about the idea of them taking a RB too ha. He is hoping it’s just a smoke screen to hide who they really want or to try and entice someone to move up. But as far as he has heard, the interest is allegedly legiti.

Oh man, hope things are all good bud. Wishing you a speedy recovery brother!