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I don't think this is a question. It's clearly intended to be Shakir. That is what they drafted him for, to be the slot guy moving forward. It is his job to lose. We had Diggs and Davis, then everyone else were slot guys. Yet stupid Dorsey tried to be an air out and push the ball downfield offense despite having like a dozen slot WR's on this team lol. That will not be the case this year, they will add another outside WR and thin the slot position. Shakir and likely McKenzie (since he is under contract one more year and cheap) will battle it out for the starting role, it will go to Shakir with McKenzie back to what he does best, a gadget player used in specific packages and scenarios. It's not out of the question they ditch McKenzie via trade/cut and maybe bring Crowder back to battle it out with Shakir. But I think it's still more likely to be McKenzie given Crowders unreliable injury history combined with how much the team loves McKenzie and being under contract one more year.

A guy to look out for IMHO is LB Azeez Al-Shaair of the 49ers. He could be a much cheaper Edmunds replacement. This is assuming we don't resign Edmunds. And if I am Beane, I am looking at all the money and picks spent on the defense that netted the #1 and #2 ranked defenses the last 2 years yet still was abused in the postseason by KC and Cincy. Both of which went out to lose their very next games and saw their offenses shut down by lower ranked defenses. So at this point...if they insist on rolling with Frazier (foolishly) one more time, Beane might as well cut costs and sign a guy who can do a lot of things Edmunds does but for a lot cheaper. Then let Edmunds walk and go spend on OL and playmaker help for the offense instead.

Allen is going to get a bag of money. He isn't coming to Buffalo for pennies. Plenty of contenders can use a WR like him who several easily have the cap space to pay him. My fear is he will somehow end up in KC though, lets just hope that doesn't happen. He will have a lot of suitors if he becomes a cap casualty. The funny part is that he so much better than Mike Williams who is hurt more often and wildly inconsistent. If I was the Chargers, I would rather keep Allen and ditch Mike Williams. I said immediately when they signed Mike Williams to that new contract they would regret it and it was gonna cost them other good players.

Ok, then I don't get your point...you are saying its the coaches, but yet you want to give the Defensive Coordinator a pass? Not trying to be difficult here, but how does that even make sense? Also, we were the #2 ranked Defense in the NFL with Tre missing half the season and not being himself. And he was slowly getting better, meaning Tre in the playoffs was a little better than the Tre in regular season where we were the #2 ranked defense. We were the #2 ranked defense with all those problems you said above. We were the #1 ranked defense last year. Yet come playoff time, for the third year in a row, Fraziers defense was exposed and abused by either KC or Cincy. Both teams who would go on the very next week in each of those 3 years to lose their very next game by their next opponent with a LOWER ranked defense than us shutting them down. So again...how are you giving Frazier a pass here? His defense has allowed an average of 36 points and almost 500 yards of offense per game in the last 3 playoff losses to KC and CIncy. And like I said, those very same KC and Cincy teams literally lost their very next game after clobbering us by seeing their offense get shut down by worse defenses. Frazier needs to go, and its not even a question in my personal opinion. As if the choke job of 13 seconds and OT wasn't bad enough...his defensive game plan was horrid against Cincy (in both the partial game and playoff game). Playing literally 10 yards off those talented WR's on critical 3rd and 4 while literally everyone else presses their WR's was literally inexcusable. I would have fired him in the tunnel as we walked off the field after that stupidity. And according to Tim Graham, McD was screaming to change this when he saw them lined up like that before the snap and wasn't happy with the call. Fool me once...shame on you. Fool me twice...shame on me. Fool me three times, then I am the fool. Frazier's defense has crapped the bed in 3 straight postseason losses. And that is 100% why despite fielding the #1 and #2 ranked defense the last 2 years, even with all the injuries we had, he is literally getting zero Head Coaching interviews despite not even being under contract right now.

How is the number two ranked defense in the NFL “the worst talent he’s ever put on the field? The only players we were missing were Hyde (who was out most the season) and Von (who missed the last half the season) and yet we still finished the season as the #2 ranked defense despite those guys missing so much time. So the defense we put on the field against Cincy was pretty much the same defense that finished ranked 2nd in the NFL during the regular season. So no disrespect, but this just isn’t accurate. And you didn’t even bother to address the fact his defense has crapped the bed the last 3 postseasons.

Simple they weren't saddled by Fraziers terrible defensive scheme and an OC allergic to running the ball who can't call an offense in the redzone or use his personnel correctly.

Davis isn’t the answer at WR2. And it goes past just his drops. He doesn’t win on his route enough on the short and intermediate areas of the field, he has poor awareness, lacks focus, and has a very limited route tree. And I had high hopes for him this past year. But we need a more complete WR there, one who can win their routes and be relied on to make the catch AND get his feet in bounds.

Lol, then explain why the defense has given up 107 points and 1404 yards in the last 3 playoff losses. And how is the number 2 ranked defense in the NFL the worst we have put on the field in the playoffs? The amount of excuses being made for Frazier is mind blowing. What’s the excuse for playing 10 yards off the talented Cincy WRs on a critical 3rd and 4? All one has to to do is watch the KC vs Cincy game to see how bad Fraziers scheme was. In fact, let’s look at the last 3 years. 2020 Buffalo has the 15th ranked defense and KC utterly has its way with our defense. The next game in the SB, TB shuts down and dominates KC. 2021 Buffalo has #1 ranked defense in the NFL, but KC drops 42 and utterly embarrasses our defense, including 13 seconds and OT lay down. The next week, Cincy (with a worse defense) completely shuts down KC offense in the 2nd half to upset them and go to the SB. 2022 Buffalo has #2 ranked defense, but Cincy has its way with our defense despite missing 3 OL and playing in Buffalo. They then go on to face KC the next week (who has a lower ranked defense) and they slow down and disrupt the Cincy offense and hold them in check and beat beat Cincy. All of this despite investing several first and second round picks and a ton of money into our defense over the past 3 seasons. Frazier is the common denominator. Other teams with LOWER ranked defenses are slowing down the same teams dominating our number 1 and 2 ranked defenses. It’s unreal to me anyone wants Frazier back. Other DCs with less talented defenses are having more success against teams who keep dominating our defense.

Frazier is likely returning. Which means I am likely going to 🤮

Cook goes down if someone farts near him, he will not be the primary runner this year. He is built for a Kamara like role. And I think they will cut Hines for cap space this year, I mean he is just a duplicate of Cook in type of running back. All that being said, I can’t see us having the cap space to sign Barkley and I think he goes back to Giants anyway. But I do expect Bills to sign or draft someone. I think D’Onta Foreman would be a very good value signing personally.

So basically Burfict hit him so hard that he thinks it was Harrison lol

I agree with all of this too. My only hope is that if they invested in a guy like Bijan (or had been able to trade for CMC for example last year) that it would force the hand of the OC to adjust and incorporate more of a running game into the offense. I feel like they just don't see any of our RB's as a true every down back, so they just more sprinkle it in vs making more of an emphasis to establish a good run game. I totally agree coaching matters and I absolutely don't trust Dorsey and don't think he is going to be the right guy for us next year either.

Here is the reality... NO Allen is NOT the new Rivers, he is incredibly more talented than Rivers and will absolutely have a better career than Rivers. BUT: To people outside Buffalo, Allen was a disappointment this year, and when you have a player like Allen that everyone said wasn't good, then was proven wrong the past couple years, they will take ANY CHANCE they get to come back and see, he is not that good. They clearly can't say he sucks anymore, but they can insult him and label him "Rivers" who was just always known for never getting it done while his rivals like Brady and Manning had much more success. Now let's get back to reality: Mahomes had a lot of INT's this year too. Burrow hasn't been nearly as statistically impressive as Allen, especially in the playoffs. And Burrow has not gotten it done either...making the SB is not getting it done. Mahomes has now played in 5 AFCCG...and if he loses the SB this year (and I think they will lose to the Eagles) that would mean just 1 SB win in 5 consecutive AFCCG's, which isn't really getting it done either. Right now, NONE of them are the new Brady. Brady won Super Bowls, 3 in his first 4 seasons...these guys have combined to win 1. Right now, Mahomes is more Rodgers or Indy Manning...1 SB, lots of disappointing ends to the postseason. Neither Burrow or Allen have gotten the job done, but people like to talk as if Burrow has just because he reached the SB. But...the fact is, Allen not reaching the SB has almost nothing to do with Allen. Last year, he had the greatest 2 game stretch in playoff history and was practically perfect...Fraziers awful D, a ST Coordinator snafu, and equal brilliance by Mahomes killed that chance. Allen has been playing with limited weapons, no running game, a bad OL, and DC whose defensive game plan has allowed 107 points and 1403 yards the last 3 playoff losses. If you polled the NFL right now...players, GM's, coaches on who scares them the most at QB...Mahomes would be #1 and Allen #2. To be honest, Burrow reminds me a lot more of Rivers than Allen ever would. And I think when their respective careers are over, Allen's resume will stand above his, and not out of the question he could finish ahead of Mahomes too if we can fix the issues around Allen quickly.

I don't care whose been a help to Buffalo Bills teams only in its history when its been completely different rosters, GM's, HC's, etc. I care about what happens around the NFL, and right now, a major issue we need to improve on is running the ball, especially with the bad weather late season in Buffalo. That is a two prong approach...fixing the OL and getting the right RB. Cook absolutely is NOT a bad weather RB and Devin is likely leaving. And to be clear, I am not even advocating for a RB in the first, I am simply stating if Bijan is on the board at 27 (which he won't likely be), he would almost certainly be the best player on the board regardless of position. If you read my other posts in other threads, my actual preference is to sign D'Onta Foreman to be the replacement for Devin. I would rather do that and use the draft picks to fill other holes. But, the number 1 way to blow a draft is to reach for need, so I am all about BPA. So if we don't sign a RB, then I can't see how they pass on Bijan at 27, he would almost certainly be the BPA and I would rather add the best talent than reach for need elsewhere. Im hoping for 2 OL in the first 3 rounds if we don't address it in free agency aggressively.

If Safety is BPA, it’s certainly possible. But Bijan on the board at 27 would hands down make Bijan BPA

Top 5: 1. Brady 2. Montana 3. Mahomes (yes he is already that good) 4. Elway 5. Manning

If Bijan is on the board at 27, I can almost guarantee he will be the pick. Here is why: Beane made an offer on CMC, and he was linked to inquiring into other RB's during the season. So there is established interest there already, and more so now with the likely departure of Devin. He will be without question the BPA at 27 no matter how the draft falls if he remains on the board. I would expect that if we did take Bijan at 27, we likely go OL with 2 of our next 3 picks. HOWEVER: I do not expect Bijan to be there at 27.

That’s not because of Devin, that’s because we just don’t run much

He could start for a number of teams, and I think he will be signed as a starter for this next season by someone. Devin has a very good YPC average for his career and has developed into a good pass catcher (had the highest catch rate on the team most the year). He has done that on a team with no run game design, bad OL play, and OC's allergic to establishing the run too. He is a lot better than your post indicates. He isn't a top tier RB, but he will be a quality player for someone next year IMHO. If we used him all year last year like we did down the stretch and playoffs, he would have had 1400 yards rushing and 17 TD's based on the stats he was putting up in those games where he had at least 12 carries. He would have rushed for 1200 -1400 yards here both last year and this year if they just gave him an average of around 15 carries. And again, that is on a team with a bad OL. Personally, I think he could end up in Las Vegas if Jacobs leaves or maybe someone like Carolina, Saints, KC, TB, or Houston where he could either be brought in to start or at least compete to start. I am not saying he is a future pro-bowler, but he just isn't as bad as your OP suggests.

I get all that, and I never said the D was atrocious that game, just pointed out we did still blow a 2 score lead and didn't get the stop in OT. But it's also a pretty irrelevant part of this convo wouldn't you say? I mean, that was 4 years ago. The last 3 defensive performances, especially the last 2 with the #1 ranked D and 2nd ranked D respectively in the regular season are more than enough reason to move on from Frazier. There is irony here...you are defending the defense from over 4 years ago, which was before we spent several first and 2nd round picks on the defense and spent a butt load of money to retain or sign defensive players...and yet it was our best defensive performance of the last 4 playoff losses these past 4 years. Now here we are 4 years later, and after all these investments into the defense, having a top 2 defense the last 2 seasons, we still have given up 107 points and 1403 yards the past 3 losses to KC, KC, and Cincy. And the Cincy game was in bad weather and in Buffalo with several OL out. We are "supposed" to have this alleged "home field advantage" in bad weather at home, but even that didn't help Frazier and his defensive game plan that again completely failed for the 3rd straight year in the playoffs. I mean just watching the KC vs Cincy game, the defensive game plan so clearly better than anything Frazier has trotted out in the last 3 playoff losses. That is the issue...I have never been "fire this guy" kind of guy. There are times where it's been painfully obvious though that you can't just keep doing the same thing. Under Frazier, we fielded the #1 and #2 ranked defense in the past 2 regular seasons...that D got dominated by KC and Cincy still in those respective playoff losses. YET...the very next week last year, Cincy shutdown the KC offense that 2nd half to go to the Super Bowl, something we couldn't do. This year, KC and Cincy both held each others offenses in check a week after Cincy embarrassed our defense (again, as they were doing before Hamlin injury too). There is only one common denominator here and its Frazier. Yes I do know McD has his hands on this D too, but still, we need to bring in a new DC with new ideas to make some changes. Running it back is the definition of crazy, just doing the same things over again and expecting the same results.

That is why I more focus on the last 3 exits, especially with how bad the refs were that game against Houston. But we did still blow a 2 score lead...and while Milano missed that play, there were other plays the D gave up. In the last 3 seasons: KC: Defense was utterly out classed by KC in every way. KC: Gave up 42 points, including a TD and a FG in the final 1:50 of regulation and an opening drive TD in OT. Cincy: Defense was again completely outclassed by Cincy this time, just like it was being outclassed by Cincy the night Hamlin got hurt. Worse yet, this game was at home, in bad weather (where fans falsely believe we have an advantage, which we don't on either side of the ball), they had 3 backup offensive lineman in, and he was playing DB's 10 yards off the LOS on 3rd and short. So even if you excuse Houston game, what our defense has done in the last 3 playoff exits since is 100% a fireable performance. 107 points and 1403 yards in 3 playoff losses? And the worst of those offenses is easily the last 2 seasons where we were defensively ranked 1st (2021) and 2nd (2022) during the regular season.

It wasn’t just one football game. They looked equally as bad, if not worse, defensively vs Cincy the first partial game. And our team was not running smooth since the KC game. More importantly it’s been 4 straight bad playoff exits. And now we are likely losing multiple key starters this year and running back the same defensive scheme that has surrendered 107 points and 1403 to KC and Cincy the past 3 playoff losses the last 3 years. We don’t have a lot of cap space either to address current significant needs and potential holes from potential player losses this year like Poyer, Edmunds, Devin, and Morse. Not to mention our 2 most expensive defensive players are coming off ACL recovery or tears, and Von is doing it at age 34. So I think heading into the offseason we are still 3rd best team, but we are going to have more significant needs and holes that previous years with a tight cap. We are definitely behind KC and Cincy already. And Cincy has a lot of cap space to potentially widen the gap on us. Meanwhile, all 3 of our divisional opponents are currently sitting with more cap space to keep working to close the gap on us. Yes, we will be favorites to win our division, but it’s far from a sure thing next year. NOTE: If we bring Frazier back, which it looks like we are, then even with a great offseason we are still behind KC and Cincy. How any DC can keep his job after 4 consecutive defensive failures in the playoff is beyond me. Blew 2 score lead against Houston. Then gave up 107 points and 1403 yards to KC and Cincy last 3 years, and one of those game was a snow storm against a depleted OL (Cincy). Not to mention the 13 seconds and OT debacle last year.

I get where you are coming from, but that doesn’t account for his many many games with little to no impact. They aren’t using him that way every play if every game. And if they were using him a lot like that, then they are wasting his play anyway and just more reason why Frazier should be gone. And I’m pretty sure the play calls weren’t to let the opponent walk all over the defense all game the last 3 playoff losses. And that’s what happened. Hence the money is better spent elsewhere, this defensive scheme isn’t worth the investment, it’s not netting returns on the investment in the games that really matter. I’ve been all for keeping the defensive unit up for a while now. This last straw though of the pathetic showing by the D for the 4th straight year in a playoff loss has completely flipped my interest. Take the Poyer, Edmunds and Oliver money and put into the OL in multiple spots, and a new WR opposite Diggs.

Let me put it this way...the last 3 playoff losses, with Oliver at DT, we have given up 107 points and 1403 yards. Everyone on this D is replaceable...literally every single player. Not once has a defensive player stepped up and showed out individually in the last 3 playoff exits. I would not spend top end money on a single player on this defense right now, simply because it won't matter. Fraziers scheme sucks. Our DL was utterly dominated by mostly backup OL players against Cincy, and they looked just as bad the night Hamlin got hurt against Cincy. And Cincy is a team whose biggest achilles heel for the past 2 years has been the OL. Oliver can look great one game and then disappear for multiple games. He doesn't have the consistency for us to pay him IMO. If I am Beane, I am looking to trade him this offseason and get some value back in either draft capital, player(s) or some combo of both. I really wanted him to be the guy to anchor down the DL long term, but he just is wayyyyy too inconsistent and has been easily taken out of the games in our playoff losses.

No. If you need me to explain why, then you clearly didn't watch this NFL season or the playoffs.