Alphadawg7

Honestly, I think the answer to your poll is: All of the above. Just given its too hard to tell until we see how the board falls. Beane said he had a trade back in place if Kincaid was gone because no one left had a first round grade. I have a felling we could be in a similar position at 59 where he could not have anyone on his board with a 2nd round grade. @GunnerBill made a good point about how with the first round so light at the top, a lot of the 2nd rounder players were going in the first than say in a deeper draft. So makes me wonder how thin it will be when we are on the clock. So I do think there is a good chance Beane will look to trade back and try and maybe get back an extra draft capital either this year or next if he doesn't see the value there. That being said, there are some guys here on the board I would have a hard time seeing Beane pass on if they last to us and even some I wouldn't be surprised he made another small move up for if they get close enough. For example, either Sanders or Simpson at LB, a couple of the OL guys, one of the WR's like Downs, Branch at S, to name a few. Not all those guys are making it to us or within stinking distance, if any. One thing I know about Beane is he will go get his guy if they are there, even move up again if its someone they covet at a price he can live with. At the same time, Beane isn't someone who likes to reach either, so if their board says the value isn't there I am confident he is going to at least attempt to move back.

Totally agree, that was maybe the most entertaining first round (or any round) I can remember watching. Not only was it hard to know where anyone might go, you had trades flying left and right. If I am not mistaken I think there were 5 trades inside the top 10 even. I very much agree with your whole write up here. its no secret that I was both skeptical we would go TE round 1 unless the board fell in a way where it was the clear BPA, and that it did. So not only did I expect it to be Kincaid at that point, I felt it was the correct choice. Heading into the draft, I really wasn't excited about the idea of having such a heavy investment into the TE position given what we pay Knox and then an additional first round pick (now a 1st and 4th), especially given I did not have a lot of confidence in Dorsey getting the kind of production from a 2nd TE. However, that was also mostly because I never imagined Kincaid making it to our pick (and technically he didn't as I think it was pretty obvious he was going to Dallas and why we moved up) and we would have likely taken either Mayer or Washington who are much more of a typical TE than Kincaid who is more of a WR in a TE sized body. So I was more interested pre-draft in getting a receiver type like LaPorta in round 2 or one of the other guys in the round 3 or 4. That being said, I am pretty excited about Kincaid given I am less worried now about his targets being too low given he is that more WR type and Beane made it clear that is what he was drafted to be. So now I can feel better about him being a relevant part of our offense, although I still need to see Dorsey make it happen on the field. One of my biggest criticisms with Dorsey last year was not doing a good job of utilizing the talents and skill sets of what was already on the roster. We brought in both Cook and Hines to be big receiving threats, and yet they were just used that way (Hines wasn't used at all). With struggles at slot, I thought he could have done a better job of trying to get Shakir more involved. And Knox I felt there should have bene more emphasis to get Knox more targets, especially given the inconsistency from Davis and the slot position. But it was Dorseys first year, so the good news is that it should be better this year and now that we used a first on Kincaid, there will be pressure to be sure he gets the kind involved. Nice job, this year was quite difficult I will say. I didn't put as much time in with all the baby prep, so definitely enjoyed your wealth of info to help fill some gaps in. Joey Porter Jr was my biggest surprise, I thought he was a lock in the first, especially given how some of the other positions were not overly strong in the first. I also figured Branch would go in the first, but wasn't as confident in him going there as I was in Porter. I expect both of these guys to go real fast in the 2nd round. Agree on this too...except I would say no "Raider moments" ha. That being said, the one big "reach" for me was Gibbs to Detroit at 12. I thought Gibbs would go round 1, and even thought he was in play for the Lions. But I figured if he went to Detroit it would have been at 18 instead of 12. I wasn't surprised Bijan went at 8, Falcons were a popular landing spot for him leading up to the draft and its what I expected. But didn't think Gibbs would go top 15 too. Agreed, the amount of trades (I think 5 in the top 10) was even more than I thought. I think all the trades feel like win-wins too inside that top 10. Of course how players pan out will truly determine that, but I think all the teams did well for what their teams needed to do with those trades. Yeah, I was pretty surprised by this pick by the Bears, not at all who I thought they would take. And for the Lions, I had Campbell as a Lions pick, just thought it would be the 2nd round based on many thinking Campbell would slide there. Jack Campbell feels like a Dan Campbell guy all the way, so wasn't surprised they took him. And I am not as down on Jack as many are here, so I don't hate the pick at 18 if that is they guy they coveted. But I do think Gibbs at 12 was a mistake and should have gone another direction there and then taken Gibbs at 18 instead of Gibbs - Campbell. You remaining big board looks solid to me. Good work as usual Gunner

First round was wild and fun. Looking forward to another fun day today!

I think it has immense potential for sure, my 3 remaining offensive question marks IMHO are: OL, Dorsey and Harris staying healthy. I totally agree this has been a sneaky good off season, especially for the offense. I’ve been saying Sherfield and Harty are better signings than some think in terms of upgrades to last year. And now adding Kincaid really brings the opportunity to create a lot of mismatches. And while I do think we made some solid OL moves, hoping we still add one more piece in the draft. We got Josh a new weapon, so hoping one of our 2 picks gets him some more protection too. With the new prices it’s now on Dorsey to get them all involved. And for me, that was one of his biggest weak points last year, using the talent we had. But it was just his first season, and the one great thing about Kincaid being a first round pick is that the pressure will be on Dorsey to get him involved. Love the Harris signing, just a little worried about him staying healthy as he has struggled with that. More so for the cold weather games where I don’t love the idea of having to lean on Cook and Hines later in the season where the weather gets bad for us.

I think Beane is going to try and trade down again if he doesn’t see the value. He had a trade down in place if Kincaid was gone because he said no one else had a first round grade. So I could see maybe a trade down to try and recoup a fourth depending on how big of a move it would be.

Name is meh, so work on that haha I’m pretty excited now because if we were gonna go TE Kincaid was the most exciting and because of Beanes comments on what their plan is for him. i figured and wanted us to take a TE in this draft, just wasn’t high on the idea of taking one round 1 unless the board fell in a way where it was the BPA. And the board did fall that way, so was happy with that choice. But my initial reservation is that it would have been for one of the other more traditional TEs (as i thought Kincaid would have been gone) and I lacked confidence Dorsey would maximize the value of two TEs on this team. However, with it being Kincaid and hearing Beane confirm he wasn’t brought here to block and will be used more as a big WR, well that made me a lot more comfortable that they will get this kid meaningful targets to validate the draft status. I still need to see Dorsey put it all together, but this kid is a weapon and excited to see him on the field with Allen and company.

Lol, no it’s more I have never seen someone take a victory lap after making a list of people for one pick and one person on the list ended up happening. But I gave you kudos for having Kincaid as your top choice. Like I said, I didn’t think it was realistic he we would be there. But for that I was wrong, never saw him getting past Chargers or Cowboys. Although not sure I was totally wrong about that, Cowboys seemed pretty dejected about our pick and pretty sure he was their guy. I did correctly predict the trade to 25 though specifically to get ahead of Cowboys 2 weeks ago. Stated the Cowboys were a problem for us as there was a good chance who we are targeting g could also be their top target as both teams could go after a WR or TE depending how the board fell. Albeit I figured it would more likely be for Addison or JSN if they got that close.

You’ve watched more film on him than I have, so I’ll say my biggest attraction to him is as a mauler in the run game. But I can’t vouch for his overall fit here, like i said you would be a better judge of that than me. I just want to add some toughness for those bad weather games where we need to smash in the trenches. So if not Cody, who do you think would be a good fit here in the second in terms of OL fit? Personally, I think if either of the 2 LBs Sanders or Simpson makes it to 59, that would be our most likely pick over OL, I’m just not confident they will.

I love Mauch, he’s a mauler and I think has major potential. I don’t think he will last long in the 2nd round though. Then again, this draft has been hard to predict, so who knows. I’d love to land him or one of the LBs Sanders or Simpson

Im definitely happy we took the best guy. I admittedly thought there was very little chance we would take a TE, but that is also partly because I figured both Kincaid and Mayer would be gone and we were looking at someone like Washington. Im excited to hear how Beane spoke about him and that it sounds like there is a bigger plan for him than just a second TE. So looking forward to seeing how this all comes together on the field this year. Love getting Allen more weapons, now let’s get him some more protection too as the icing on the cake We struggled against more teams than that. Either way, it’s a new year with new pieces. So we will see how Dorsey evolves, he was bad in several key areas as a rookie OC.

We had noticeable drops in efficiency and points scored from the year before. Plus last year, the first half of the season was better than the second half. Everything was harder for the offense last year than it was the year before. Even Diggs, Allen, etc have all talked about how much more the offense struggled in the second half how things were just harder.

Totally agree. Come week 1 I’ll be amped. This time of year, still coming off last season and haven’t seen any new looks yet as camp hasn’t started. Truth is, Dorsey has several new toys, not just Kincaid. I think Sherfield and Harry are nice additions and hoping Shakir is ready to take over the slot. We could also still draft a WR too

Nice call, literally what Beane said ha

Yeah, if Dorsey figures out how to utilize our weapons, the offense is gonna be a nightmare to defend. But...my thing with Dorsey is last year he failed to utilize our RB's as pass catchers despite Beane drafting one in the 2nd and trading for one in Hines mid season. He also failed to get Knox more involved when we needed help as our slot production was hurting the offense. And with the slot position under performing, he didn't really try and get Shakir more involved either despite some positive flashes. That for me was the biggest area he needed to grow into year 2 at...utilizing our personnel more effectively and more regularly in the offense. So fingers crossed he finds ways to get all these guys touches. Lets not forget about Sherfield, Shakir, and Harty too...these guys can potentially bring a lot to the offense. And we still need to get the run game more involved too so its not all on Josh Allen. I would feel a lot better if we had a more proven OC, but hey, it was just his first year, hoping he takes a big step this year as an OC. Because he also needs to be better in the redzone and in game adjustments.

No he said he had already had a trade in place to trade down if Kincaid was gone. That was the point, and no reason to say that if not true. And it was clear Kincaid was the last player with a first round grade on the board by anyones measure, which Beane said was true for his board as well.

Agred on all that...I just hope Dorsey figures out how to maximize his value

Hey if we can get Kincaid enough targets to get that many receptions, then great. I don't see how we get Knox, Diggs, Davis, our RB's, and whoever is in the slots targets and still get Kincaid that many receptions though. Just a lot of mouths to feed. I was just saying he is going to get most his production playing more like a WR than a TE is all.

Seriously, why are you so pompous to everyone? Literally almost your entire mock is wrong and yet you are still here acting like a whiney child. Your 2nd overall pick wasn't even drafted at all. You were wrong on almost your entire mock. And were even wrong about Kincaid lasting to 27, something several of us thought was unrealistic. We had to move up to get him. But because the player you guessed on for the Bills ended up on the Bills (differently than how you mocked though), you are running around all these threads acting like whiney child chastising anyone who dared not agree with your almost entirely wrong mock draft. Seriously...starting threads is not for you. You are way too defensive and emotional

Bottom line was that Kincaid is not supplanting Knox as the starting TE though, which was what I was objecting to that you had originally said. Beane even said, Kincaid is not being brought here to block, he is gonna be used more like a receiver than a TE while Knox remains as the taking the traditional snaps at TE. They won't really be playing the same position is the point.

Kudos for listing Kincaid first, you definitely had that part right that he would be the BPA on Beanes board if he was there. And I don't think there was much doubt Kincaid would be BPA at 27, but I think most (myself included) never believed Kincaid would reach us with teams ahead of us like Detroit, Packers, Chargers, Vikings, and Cowboys that could have all easily gone TE. However, Beane said none of the other guys on your list were in consideration and he was trading back if Kincaid was gone and that Kincaid was the only one left with a first round grade. So for me, its just kinda weird to take a victory lap on someone being chosen off a list that mostly had wrong players on it. But I will give you the kudos for at least having Kincaid listed first, which was accurate.

My biggest want is Cody Mauch, but I don’t think there is any chance we get him without a sizeable trade up as I expect him to go early in the 2nd. But you never know, draft has been unpredictable. Either Simpson or Sanders would be a nice get, or maybe Downs at WR too. Branch or Porter Jr also would be sweet, but both should go early in the 2nd.

I don’t think that is a realistic expectation

A lot of us were high on Woolen too, I was pounding the drum for him in the second until we took Elam.

Knox has 15 TDs the last 2 seasons despite only averaging 68 targets. He has the highest catch rate on the Bills too. And he’s a very good blocker. if they gave him the same targets as the TEs ahead of him he would have the production. You can’t catch what isn’t thrown to you. Kelce had 2.5X more targets thrown his way. Kittle had poor stats when Jimmy G was QB this year and was more a blocker cuz Jimmy was a statue. Once purdy brought mobility in, they released Kittle more and he had a bunch of big games with Purdy. Knox is our starting TE, in the traditional sense. Kincaid is not going to be blocking and will release and be a receiving weapon. He literally can’t do what Knox does as a blocker. So Kincaid is not supplanting Knox, they won’t be used in the same way.

Beane said he had a trade down in place if Kincaid was gone, so wouldn’t have taken Mayer. He was the last player he had a first round grade on left on the board.