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So much for the agree to disagree offer I threw out multiple times I see lol. Or maybe they don't want to pay a guy as much as he wants who couldn't stop anyone on this forum in the run game? Or maybe its because he is a prima donna who rubs teammates the wrong way on his podcast and divides the locker room? A team with cap issues as it is. And lets not pretend Dallas has a good FO either. Doesn't mean they won't pay Parsons, but this is NOT the same thing as Commanders and Terry. The Commanders have a rookie contract at QB, one that will be IN PLACE the ENTIRETY of the new deal Terry wants. So cap is NOT an issue with the Commanders, its 100% simply what they are WILLING to pay him - and so far, they have not been wiling to get close to his demands to the point a trade has not been requested. If they were at least close, I doubt it gets to a public trade demand. And we are talking about a team with a 2nd year QB, with huge expectations. The last thing they would want is their top WR missing valuable time with the team on such an important sophmore season. YET - here they are, unwilling to budge to the point Terry has requested a trade. SF went through this same dilemma with Aiyuk. Then caved under the pressure of a potential SB roster to immediately regret it and have to get rid of Deebo and still tried to trade Aiyuk again after they paid him and Purdy. That is what happens when you pay a guy above what his tier of player he is. Aiyuk is a good player, but he isn't in the elite tier either. And now signing Aiyuk has cost them Deebo - and SF has a much better W/L record with Deebo than without, more so than any other player on the offense outside the QB. With Deebo their W/L is .642 and in the 19 games he was hurt it is .421 which no other player other than QB has impacted their win % as much as Deebo has, not even CMC. Niners no longer have Deebo, a guy who has been very important to their offense including losing every game he has missed since 2023, because they caved on Aiyuk. There are consequences to these deals. And at the same time, they don't magically make you score more points either. Meanwhile Bengals with a lethal duo of Chase and Higgins for their elite QB to play with haven't made the playoffs the past 2 seasons and have the same amount of Lombardi trophies Allen has. And the one time they made the SB, it wasn't because of the offense which was pedestrian in both the AFCCG and Super Bowl, it was their defense the held KC to just 3 points in the 2nd half allowing the offense to do just enough to win. Then in the SB, the game ended in Burrows hands with that elite WR group to throw to.

That was after the refs flipped the game by 11-15 points the drive before that when they stole a first down from us twice on the same series on 2nd and 4th down. A game we lost by 3. Now add in Elam having to play, Kincaid being hurt, WR's wide open on the final series on multiple plays where offensive execution didn't complete the play through tipped balls at LOS and misread blitzes, and the clear answer is that WR was not the magic missing ingredient. Refs, injuries, and failed execution to get wide open WR's the ball were our issue. And again we still should have won that game if not for the 11-15 point swing in the middle of the 4th in a game we were at the time winning and in scoring range already. So respectfully disagree this was on the offense. The defense continuously puts the offense in a position to have to be perfect to SAVE the game or bail out defensive failures. That needs to end first and foremost as “needing” the offense to be perfect isn’t a reliable way to win in the playoffs against other strong teams.

Bengals offense with Chase and HIggins with Burrow is pretty meh in games too. This is the NFL, teams are paid good money to slow offenses down too, adding a WR does not ever change that. To expect an offense to be humming start to finish in a game is incredibly unrealistic. Wasn't just trash, we gave up over 30 to a team that did not score 30 in any other game the entire season and post season that was also down 38-0 at one point in its next game. The only reason this play happened is because the refs stole a first down from us in the 4th and flipped the game by 11-15 points. With a lead and in scoring position we not once, but twice, got a clear first down on the same series. Now add in Kincaid was playing hurt, we had to play Elam who got abused, etc and again WR doesn't seem to be our biggest issue. Also add in that we had WR's wide open multiple times on the final series, including the play to Kincaid, and again, the issue wasn't the WR, it was the offensive execution that failed to get them the ball between tipped passes, missed blitz pickups etc. We had the highest PPG in the AFC playoffs. More than Baltimore. How were we not in position to go blow for blow against another elite offense? You see, that is the nature of the game when TWO elite offenses go head to head, its often a close game with lots of points scored. We won. I am always for adding talent, and we did get better clearly IMHO in terms of weapons for Allen between both the additions and having guys like Keon more experienced, and guys healthy again as well. But this idea just adding another WR equals more points is not how it works. Diggs is a better WR than Terry and we averaged less points when Diggs was here. Its not the end all be all solution it gets made out to be. Defense however has been a massive achilles heal in all of playoff exits. 2024 no team in the AFC averaged more points per game than the Bills in either the regular season or the playoffs. Yet we were eliminated by allowing a team to score over 30 that failed to score 30 in any other game on the entire season.

Its not lazy, its just pointless because we already know where each other stand and nothing we say will change the others mind. My time is limited, so going round and round in a pointless discussion that just had a silly response already that didn't even address what I really wrote is not something I felt had any value to either of us. You seem to believe more in individual talent - I believe more in group make up that watched teams like KC and Pats build dynasties. So I don't share your sentiment about our WR room, just like I didn't agree last year when people said the offense was going to go backwards and yet it was historically good, best in Bills history, and Allens first MVP. And quite honestly, we should have made the SB last year if not for the refs flipping the game in the 4th by 11-15 points that we eventually lost by only 3. Its all good, but agree to disagree here is where I am at as there is nothing this discussion will change about either of our individual opinions that hasn't been said 1000 times the past 12 months already. But - last thing I will say is that I am always for adding talent, where I push back is this delusion that gets pushed here that another WR automatically means the greatest offense in Bills history magically scores more, and that is not how it works. We had a better WR than Terry in Diggs and scored less. We scored 31 ppg last year in a season many here predicted the offense was going to be worse because we lost our top 2 WRs. Now to ask this team to go out and score even more puts us in top 10 offense of all time category level of points, that is not at all easily accomplished and its crystal clear to me just how disconnected many people here are with the realism of what that actually takes and means on an NFL field. On top top of that, most of the top 10 offenses didn't win a SB either, or even make one - so its not the end all be all solution many incorrectly assume it to be. So again, agree to disagree. There is nothing anyone can ever say to me to convince me that defense wasnt our biggest issue just like nothing I can say to you will make you feel differently about how badly you think we need another WR. End of the day, we simply do not see the WR room the same, but more importantly we definitely do not see the issues of our playoff exits the same which to me has way more to do with our defense than offense. And thats ok, we are all entitled to our opinions Cheers - GoBills

I don't disagree, he will. But the point is, they don't think he is worth it. Guys like JJ, Hill, Chase, etc didn't have teams not willing to pay them at the top of the market. They got their deals done easily. Guys like Terry, Aiyuk, etc have to fight for their money because their teams don't think they are worth the money but cave due to the team also being a SB contender with QB's on rookie deals. The point is, if Terry was worth that the Commanders could have easily just gave it to him, they can do it easier than anyone else too. They feel its too much for what is a good, but not great, WR. And now people want the Bills to over pay for a guy that will screw our cap up moving forward who is about to be 30. The amount of overpay people are always willing to do here for a WR is crazy to me.

We scored plenty of points against KC - but its never enough. To ask us to keep scoring even more points is a lot harder (as it takes entire drives, multiple plays, etc) than simply making just ONE more play on defense to get KC off the field one more time preventing a scoring drive in games we lost by 1 score.

Terry isn't worth the money some of you want to pay him. He isn't a top 3 WR, about to be 30, yet people want to pay his $33M per? I like Terry, wouldn't be upset if he was a Bill, but I can't see Beane both trading both a valued trade asset and then also paying what is a good (but not great) WR top 3 money who is on the wrong end of his career spectrum. Its telling that his own team, one with lofty expectations and a QB who will be on a rookie deal during the entire time of Terrys new deal, doesn't want to pay him that either. If there is a team that can pay him that its the Commanders - and they don't want to. But no doubt this thread gets long before he most likely stays in Washington for what most people expect to be a team to challenge for a division title and a good playoff run. Anything is possible, maybe Beane surprises here, but given how fond they are of our current offense and group combined with what Terry wants, it just feels quite unlikely that we would try and feels even more unlikely the Commanders would actually go through with any trade given they have big expectations this year and a QB that would be on a rookie deal during Terrys new deal.

I was more thinking first one fired after the season, but didn’t specify that as didn’t really think about in season. I agree, he prob isn’t fired in season unless they are a total disaster.

Fun - Rest of NFL Chiefs will finish no higher than 3 seed and wont reach the AFCCG snapping their streak of 7 straight. Bengas will miss the playoffs again. McDaniels is first HC fired after Miami misses the playoffs again. Minnesota misses the playoffs after going 13-3 last year Bills Bills lead the AFC in sacks Keon and Shakir combine for 2000+ yards Joey Bosa stays healthy and leads Bills in sacks Bills make and WIN the Super Bowl.

Horrible, condolences to the family. RIP

Its all good - just a different perspective. And like I said earlier to a couple other people, I am here admittedly with an unfortunate bias and probably should just have stayed out of the thread all together. But having kids now makes it all land different for me now more than even before.

Moss isn't as bad as some make him out to be, but he also isn't anything special either. I think he has value to a team looking to add depth as a backup RB. The best thing going for him is that he played pretty well for Indy in 2023 and he can also catch, so I think someone will see value in bringing him in.

If he would agree to that, I would take him on the PS as well, good injury insurance. But yeah, he shouldnt and wont take a spot of one of our top 5 right now IMHO.

Well lucky for you that you have the benefit of not having to live through a loved one being murdered and know that destruction of your life and family. It has nothing to do with "superior" morals and everything to do with I know the destruction he caused those families, and I don't care if it was 1 family, 2 families or 200,000 families - it doesn't lessen it to any degree of how it affected those individual families. It is alone the single most destructive thing another human can do to another human and their loved ones, and doing it to less people doesn't make him less of a monster. But hey, to each their own. You want celebrate and remember him, you are free to do so. But you are choosing to do this on a public forum, so just don't be so surprised or offended when other people don't share your sentiment of celebrating the "fond" memories about a man who not only abused women during the reign of those fond memories, but brutally butchered 2 lives and destroyed those families forever. I said my piece and will leave it alone - at least until the sequel thread of fond memories of Rae Carruth loI

Yeah I agree with a lot of this, I will add though he is a great teammate, unselfish player, and a great blocker. So think he can have some value for someone still, but his days as a WR2 I think are behind him without injuries forcing the situation somewhere.

Genocide is murder. You seem to be willing to look past it based on the quantity of murder though, so theres that. Cool

I also don't think we should trade away speed for the sake of a redundant tool set he brings (Keon and Palmer). But hey, if there is an injury, he makes a lot of sense.

The is no roster spot for him. Who do you cut? Keon, Shakir, and Palmer are locked in. Samuel would cost cap space to cut, and we need more speed not less speed. And Moore has been a star of camp. The only way they keep 6 WRs is if the 6th guy is a dedicated kick returner, and neither of those 5 are and neither is Gabe. So Gabe has to replace one of those 5, and coming off injury after a career here where Allen has a lot of picks trying to connect with him, would disappear a lot, dropped passes, had mental lapses, and had a limited route tree. I really cant see Gabe ending up here without someone in those top 5 getting hurt. We have a lot more guys to carry this year in places like secondary and DL this year, we likely won't be keeping a 6th WR who isn't a return specialist.

No disrespect, but what if someone had fond memories of Hitler before his rise to power like from high school or college? Would it be appropriate to talk about how funny he was, how many points he scored in some game, who got to meet or hang out with him, etc you know before all that pesky genocide stuff? Monsters like OJ don't deserve the remembrance or recognition, especially since he was a woman abuser going back to 1977. Its all good, just saying despite your disclaimer, it isn't going to resonate that way with a lot of people and he doesn't deserve to be memorialized like you are intending here for those "good times" when he was also still abusing women all back then too.

Its all good, and I take no personal offense to others enjoying fond memories. I shouldn't even honestly chimed in, no one was doing anything wrong - I was just tired and alone with my 2 boys (26 months and 10 months) who are both sick and the 10 month old threw up on me a bunch lol. But, it also is kind of why I responded as it just hits different now that I am a parent. It was one thing having gone through the loss in my life, its a whole other imagining my boys having to go through it if it happened to me, and its unimaginable to think about a parent losing a child of any age. So for me, while I get the fond memories, heck still enjoy the Naked Gun movies, it always just feels a bit dirty when someone like him still gets the honor of being remembered for the positive stuff he did, especially since while he obviously didn't murder anyone back then, his known woman abuse allegedly goes back to 1977 making a lifelong POS even during his best days. But everyone is all good here with me - just one of those things where it just feels a bit dirty when he gets the honor of being remembered for the positive stuff he did while he was later discovered to be both a POS during that whole span and later a monster. PS - It also doesn't help I know he did it as I had one of his defense lawyers essentially admit to me on a golf course when we played a round together. It was actually a crazy round - A fun side story to lighten the mood. It was me, my friend (a lawyer), one of OJ's lawyers, and the father (also a lawyer) of the kid who created Snap Chat. At the time, his son (who was like 21 at the time) had just publicly turned down Zuckerberg and his $3B offer to buy them and was in a bit of a public spat. He then turned down $4B. What wasn't known publicly at the time, and what the dad ranted all day about, was his son had also just turned down Google for $5B lol. It was pretty funny listening to his rants all day about a 21 year old turning down $5B and then they went on to give each other crap about who had the more frustrating client - the other guy with OJ or him with his Son lmao. They were a fun group to play with, never saw either again, but it was a fun day.

As someone who had a parent murdered - it sickens me a bit to see people celebrating a documented woman beater and murderer. Its one thing to have your own personal fond memories, but he doesn't deserve the acknowledgement on a public forum, on a stadium wall, etc.

Stepping on legos is so bad that they should use them in prisoner interrogations and make prisoners walk barefoot over them until they crack - wont take long

Well to be fair, had they kept AJ it would have done nothing for them. So at least sucking more to where it eventually got them a #1 overall pick a couple years later to draft a QB is better for their prospects moving forward than paying AJ Brown a ton of money to play on a crap team and maybe win a game or two more where they don't get the #1 pick. Trading AJ was still the right move for them. Its pointless to have a top end WR if your QB sucks, so you sure shouldn't be paying one and maybe doing just enough better to further hurt your chances to get a high enough pick to go after your QB of the future. Which is why I think it was a mistake for the Jets to pay Wilson. I think he is a top tier talent, but they are not winning anything with Fields. I would have cleaned house, moved Wilson and Sauce for a bounty of picks, not signed fields, and just sucked my way to the top pick next year and look to rebuild their franchise with the top pick in the draft and a bounty of other picks the next year or two. All the Jets have done is insure they are not going to be good enough to do anything important and not bad enough to land an elite QB prospect. That is football purgatory, and Titans were smart enough to recognize that and avoid the mistakes teams like the Jets make over and over again.

I think its mostly all tick tack stuff and early camp precautionary moves more than anything. I don't think there are too much to be concerned about in terms of the injuries reported and would bet most would play if there was a game this week. Especially going into the first day with pads on.

Exactly, its a click bait headline and McD made it sound like it was just a common got a little banged up on a rep yesterday when he hit the ground. Nothing about it sounded like anything other than a common cautious move from general knicks guys get in camp. To paint it as if its directly tied to last year without knowing it is was just irresponsible reporting for the sake of attention. Could it be - sure - but nothing reported on it thus far suggests it is.