Alphadawg7

No disrespect, but feels like you are really way over analyzing a word here and taking this conversation into things completely unrelated to the post I originally replied or the context of what I actually said (and clarifed). Its all good, agree to disagree on what I meant. Cheers Like I said to the other poster - you are over analyzing a word to be something entirely different than the context I used it to. This is off on some other tangent now from the actual comment I replied to. The point was Shakirs deal was easy to do when he wasn't asking for more than Beane was willing to pay. This isn't complicated Its all good, no biggie and we can just agree to disagree on my context, cheers.

I can't see them making the playoffs and I don't think McDaniels or the FO survive this offseason.

Cook proved without a doubt he WANTS to be here when he risked his contract, his future, etc and showed up to camp and practiced despite not having a deal done yet. If he didn't want to be here, he wouldn't have risked that injury and played hard ball from the get go or asked for a trade. He was showing his commitment to be here, and it wasn't unnoticed by the team and FO. This idea guys don't want to be here because they are trying to get the best deal they can for their family is always wild to me. The NFL FO can bail on his contract if they want, they are not fully guaranteed. He is a RB that even if he is the best at his position, he will earn considerably less than other great players at other positions over their careers because they make less and generally wear down faster. In fact man teams run them into the ground now and draft a younger one instead of paying them. Sorry, but this is a short sided take IMO

No disrespect, but you just echoed what I said when I said reasonable. What Beane deems is reasonable based on how he percieves his value, the value of the position, and the cap plans with other contracts and spending moving forward. I didn't say it was our definition of reasonable. As I siad, if the contract Cook was seeking was reasonable (to Beane) he would be signed. The facts are, Cook is asking for more money than Beane was looking to pay - Shakir was not - so Shakir signed, Cook not signed. This isn't as complicated as its getting made out to be. Beane is clearly going to have to pay Cook more than he wants - but that amount still needs to be reasonable enough for him to go up in his price and ge the deal done - had they already gotten there the deal would already be signed. This convo started off someone complaining we paid Shakir already and not Cook. The massive difference is that Shakirs deal was in line with what Beane felt was good for the team - so its done. If Shakir and his team sat back and demanded $20M per year (like many were worried would happen around here), I assure you that would not have been a reasonable deal for Beane and Shakir wouldn't have a new deal either.

Its kind of what I expect too, he is just getting a lot of praise and runs with the ones this year with the injuries creating opportunity. So hard to know if he has a real shot at the final 53 or not as we have seen and heard the same things before about "camp standouts" who end on the PS still. My guess is the same, PS again

I didn't say Shakirs deal was "reasonable" because it makes "fans happy" - It was reasonable because Shakirs projected market as a FA was much higher than what he signed for. Those deals are much easier to get done, and yes, being a 5th round pick on a rookie deal brings a lot of injury risk, so there is incentive to sign early at a discount for stability. But that is beside the point, the point is Shakir's deal was easy to get done because it was a good deal on both sides. If Shakir was demanding $20M per year, he would still be in limbo the same as Cook. Point is - Bills have tried to extend Cook, and Cook started asking for $15M, at least publicly. Beane has stated their have been offers and they are not there yet on both sides. So the term "reasonable" is in direct reference to what the FO deems reasonable based on how they value him and their forward looking cap plans. And reports are that they are now closer, if true, that coupled with the Rams deal that just happened, I think we could see this resolved soon. End of the day, Shakir wasn't demanding more than the FO was offering, so the deal got done. Its just that simple as to why one was done, and easily, and the other is in a Hold In status.

Yeah, they can practice but not play in the regular season games

Well this is severely lacking context - First, Shakir missed 2.5 games last year, or he may have broke 1000 yards in his first full year as a starter (1.5 to injury, and week 17 when he, Allen and others sat out). Not to mention, he led the Bills in receiving ever since Brady took over and made Shakir a starter, including the stretch where Diggs and Davis were still here in 2023. Second, Shakir signed at a discount to his expected FA market, receivers in general (which according to this board are the most important thing) make more money, and Shakir signed at a discount to his projected market. Cook is asking to be paid well above his position and projected market. Cook wants elite workhorse RB money despite not being one. He plays a position where the value is lower than WR both in contract and position Bills have been very willing to pay Cook, and offered him a contract, but Cook wants more money than what makes sense. So sorry, this is not the same thing. If Cook was asking for reasonable money, he would have bene signed already, just like Shakir was. He also missed week 17 when the Bills held some guys out of a meaningless game with seeding and division wrapped up.

Nothing is impossible, but I think there is 0% change of this personally - and I am not totally sure, but I think if you are holding out anytime past like week 10 then you lose the credit for the season.

That was my point - he was the previous fringe guy slash camp star and always ended up on the PS.

I am trying to figure out what to make of Shavers - coaches really seem impressed, but I have also seen this story before when we had Hodgins here who would have strong camps but when it came to cut down time was always the odd man out. And that was without the stiff competition of guys like Samuel and Moore. I am highly doubtful we keep 6 WR's unless one is either a returner or ST ACE they feel like they must keep. We are going to likely be keeping more than in past seasons at places like DL and CB this year, making it that much harder to keep 6 at WR. So if Shavers makes this roster I think its more likely at the expense of one of Moore or Samuel. And both their roster spots are less secure now than they seemed to be earlier in the offseason thanks to injuries. The battle between Samuel, Moore, and Shavers will be very interesting to watch the rest of camp and preseason as I think only 2 of them make the team. Wouldn't surprise me to see Samuel traded either if they want to keep Shavers.

I think a deal is going to get done personally, especially after the deal with the Rams. But, either way, Cook I am certain still plans to play this year regardless, holding in is a MUST do for him at this stage because any injury in camp 100% kills his chance at a deal. But he isn't going to miss the opportunity to earn game checks, and more importantly, prove his worth to either this team or the next if we don't get a deal done. I am not currently the least bit worried about him "not" playing come week 1. Especially against Baltimore. I could be wrong, but I don't remotely get the impression sitting out games in the season is a real threat right now. I never expected him to even come to camp, too much injury risk while negotiating, but he wanted to put his best foot forward and show he wants to be here, and I do think that carried weight with Beane and the team and also the Kyrien deal helps reign in his ask too now. So I think the odds of a deal getting done are as high as they have been since the contract talks began.

Thst is beating him in the Redzone like that though, it’s tight quarters on those and those routes that’s as open as you’re gonna get generally

Curious if not Palmer and Coleman, who else did you think might take one of those spots over? For me it was always going to be those 2 and Shakir in the slot, and then Samuel and Moore would mix in and around.

More like the certain starters since Palmer was signed. Its never been a question who the 2 starting outside guys were going to be this year barring injury

I can’t wait to go read the original thread when this was announced and everyone was saying it was going to be embarrassing and that the main story was going to be how bad the WRs are lmao

If I had to choose one it would be HBO, but I will say Paramount+ has a lot of great original content too these days.

Great episode - as expected. This team feels destined for a special season

I get what you are saying, but I don't think its that clear cut the other 3 have better weapons. KC - Our offense had more talent on it last year. Injuries took away all their WR's and our OL is definitely better. Balt - I still prefer our 1-5 WR's than theirs. Henry is better than Cook. TE's are a little more in their favor, but OL is more in our favor. Cin - Yes, Burrow has better weapons - but also hasn't made the playoffs in 2 years with those weapons. We have a better team. So I don't see it the same personally, only Cincy has clear cut better pass catching weapons right now and they can't even make the playoffs.

Spoiler Alert: He was dead the whole time.

Oh thank god we got another WR thread - was really getting worried we were going to miss the daily quota for new threads about the WR's.

Oh it’s him, yeah I’m familiar with him just not the Rehearsal. Now I’m gonna def check it out

Thanks for the tip I haven’t heard of the Rehearsal until this thread, so def gonna have to look into that one too

Ive watched a bunch of these, that team really was good. One thing that has irked me all offseason is how many people keep saying its "All Allen", but when you watch recaps and highlights of last season they are LOADED with huge plays and individual efforts that were critical to a lot of our wins by guys all over the offense and even on defense. Allen is without a doubt the best player on this roster, but he isn't alone out there like so many like to imply he is.

Rome was excellent - only 2 seasons because it was at the time the most expensive show on TV to make and it set the table for shows like Game Of Thrones. Still one of HBO's best shows they did. I loved Boardwalk, but never watched the final season and keep meaning to go back and watch it but its been so long it would be better I probably just restarted the show. Same with Deadwood, only watched the first season. Loved it, but need to go back and rewatch and finish that one too.