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People keep saying this, but it wasn’t “vastly” different when Manning played. It was vastly different when say someone like Montana played, but by the time Manning got here the league was already pushing offense and passing. I mean this is the same era Brady played in and no one is saying the game was vastly different when Brady played.

Apologies, I think you took my post wrong. I wasn't trying to come across as criticizing your post or throwing shade at you, more just ranting on Fitz just cuz Fitz name came up in general. And I was more just making it clear that the defense really wasn't an excuse for him as he just wasn't good enough himself. Fitz had his own short comings as a player was the only point I was making. Not denying he didnt have a great defense hear, but Fitz failed to hold a starting gig more than a year every stop before and after Buffalo. No one wanted to depend on him because he was just good enough to keep your team from getting a good draft pick, but not good enough to get your team to the post season.

Tyrod was better than the fan base consensus is around here, so I understand where the OP is coming from. At the same time he wasn’t as good as the OP is writing here either. Does TT deserve more appreciation from Bills Mafia? Yes, I think so. He still wasn’t a very good starter, but he was the best post Kelly era QB we had until we found Allen. And that isn’t to say TT was that good, that is just how BAD the other QBs were during that span. But…up to that point, the TT led era was the second highest 3 year scoring period in Bills history, 2nd only to the first three SB years. He made 2 pro bowls, had a winning record, and was the only QB to reach the playoffs in 17 years. Cons: He was too much reliant on players being open to let the ball go because he lacked anticipation and vision. He would run too soon rather than let routes develop. He became risk adverse in moments we needed him to take chances. TT had the talent, he could actually throw the ball well. He just didn’t have the vision or mental toughness to take chances and push the ball down field. And that made him a below average starter overall. Still, I appreciate the fact he helped us break the streak and his 3 years was less inept than the years prior.

Fitz played miserable every time the game mattered…here and everywhere he went. He is one of those guys who can get hot for a little bit, usually against lesser competition, then completely fold and give the game away with multiple turnovers when it’s late in the season and trying to actually make the playoffs. Love Fitz in terms of the person, but he was a backup QB lucky enough to find his way to an inept organization to dumb and cheap to find a better option and got paid. Again, he is awesome and hilarious, but our defense during his time here had nothing to do with him being a weak full time starting option.

I agree with you, I want to just hate them too. And that was the key for me “up to $33M” which means that if he performs he is making $11M per and that’s not bad for a contributing WR in todays market:

With the defense and run game, they don't need a dynamic pass attack to be a tough opponent. I don't think they are a contender or anything, but they can be a tough out this year, especially later in the season in poor weather where defense and rushing are of higher value. So if they land Hopkins and Mac Jones can just be solid, they won't be the easy win a lot of people expect every week.

Because he is actually a solid player. His down season are not related to his talent, it had more to do with the situation he was in. And given the price of WR's these days, his deal is reasonable. To be honest, if Pats land Hopkins still (and most the talk still seems to lend towards them being the more likely spot), they could have a sneaky good offense this year if Mac Jones can just be solid or better now that he has a real OC again with O'Brien. Pats are one of those teams no one is thinking too much about right now, but if they land Hopkins, they could be one of those sleeper teams that end up being a tougher opponent than people think this year. Not a real contender per se, just not the roll over opponent I think people assume they will be.

This feels like another thread designed to steer towards criticizing coaching and be back hand slap to McD again the way you set up your poll.

No offense, this post makes so little sense I don't even really know how to respond to it. You don't seem to understand the difference between a player keeping his grievances private with a team and other people who aren't the player revealing information to people outside the team, creating rumors, theories, etc. Diggs didn't go tell the media he left the locker room, other people not named Diggs did that. Diggs didn't reveal what he and Josh discussed on the sideline, media speculated on that. Diggs didn't say there was anything wrong between him and the team on social media, that was speculation. Diggs didn't remove any Bills information from his Twitter, only his IG where he already did it before and mostly uses his IG for fashion. Media over exaggerated it and formed their own theories, none of which were ever once stated by Diggs. Diggs didn't reveal anything about camp, McD did. Diggs didn't not report to camp or sit out, McD excused him so they could all take a break from what they were working through. Diggs kept the issues private between him and the team. The fact there was a speculated issue may not have been private given what transpired, but he never once took to the media to share any dirty laundry publicly and kept all that in house between him and the team, where it STILL remains in house and NO ONE outside the Bills actually even knows what it was about even.

You conveniently ignore that the Diggs drama was rampant before that...I mean you yourself have been hammering Diggs drama for months. But more importantly, nothing you just said has any logic in it. The comment I made was that Diggs DID keep in IN HOUSE. Which he did, McD publicly stating something is NOT on Diggs. McD excusing Diggs is NOT Diggs going to the media and airing his grievances. Is pretty shocking how people are so confused on the difference of Diggs personally keeping it all in house and not going to the media with it...and things leaking to the media or being stated by other people not named Diggs.

The media dramatization existed long before that. But yes, McD comment didn’t help But main point remains…Diggs kept it in house was the point in my previous post

I own the movie…so thumbs up from me in this one.

Agree with most of this, but he did handle it in house, Diggs didn’t go to the media and air any dirty laundry or grievances. This outside drama has been created by the media over speculation because of frustrations he showed during and after the Bengals loss. He kept what the issue was, and all he he dialogue with the issue between him and the team.

I totally agree

Sorry, no disrespect intended here, but I think you are kind of looking at this wrong, even though you aren't really wrong about any of it. I get its "only $3M difference"...but that is $3M difference between getting a top 5 WR on the field with Josh and having $45M cap space chewed up with no top 5 WR on the field with Josh. There is no way the Bills are going to tie up $45M of cap space over 2 years on a player who is on another team because they traded him while they are in the midst of a Super Bowl window. If they trade Diggs, they will take a significant step back in offensive talent while still tying up $45M in cap space. And lets not forget the Bills restructured him recently putting themselves in this difficult to trade position. If they truly had any concerns that a move might need to be made, they never would have done the restructure. At the end of the day, there is absolutely no reason to ever do that unless A) The team is headed towards a rebuild or B) The situation with the player gets so toxic that it eclipses his value as a talent and the team can no longer sustain him remaining on the roster. You're not wrong overall, anyone and everyone is moveable. But without points A or B above, this type of move just won't ever happen. And right now, we are pushing for a SB, so no rebuild on the horizon and there is no evidence suggesting the situation with Diggs has gone nuclear, in fact, all signs point more to its over with now.

It was 1700 yards, it’s been a while. Still he fooled me after a 1700 combined yard season. And don’t make me laugh with the rest of your stupid post lol. I will put my track record up a thousand times over against your ridiculous resume of terrible and comical takes.

No disrespect but there is literally zero evidence of any kind that there is a “Allen-Diggs” problem, and in fact a ton of evidence suggesting there isn’t.

The moment I read the thread title I knew exactly who started this dumb thread to find another way to dump on McD. But I take solace in the fact that people like you are gonna be all worked up, upset, bothered, etc over the news of the extensions while the rest of us sit back, relax, smile and enjoy the news as we wait for camp and the season to begin.

Love Jim Kelly, but Allen is flat out better today than Kelly was at his peak. I would take Allen right now to win a game for us any day of the year over Kelly. And spot on, Kelly was meh to terrible in all 4 Super Bowls. Somehow he escapes criticism of those games more than anyone, but they were not good performances at all. In fact, 3 of the 4 were terrible and the Giants one was just meh.

This false story still persisting here I see

I thought CJ Spiller was on his way to being a legit top end starter after his 1700 combined yard season. He seemed to be on a path that would have been similar to what Kamara eventually became later on for the Saints. But nope, he flamed out immediately and was a one hit wonder the likes of Peyton Hills. While clearly my biggest miss, I take solace that it came off the back of a pretty big season by him where he lead the league in YPC and had 1700 combined yards. But he definitely fooled me lol

From a human perspective, the article is a good read of seeing someone who went through some dark times and fought to get on track and persevered. Happy for Zay, even though I knew he wasn't good enough to be a starter here, I never had anything personal against him and happy that he has rebounded. From a football perspective during his time in Buffalo - this article just confirms literally everything I said about him while he was here, he wasn't mentally strong enough in Buffalo, lacked confidence, struggled understanding how to run routes, and had shaky hands. I had so many people argue with me that the dropped game winning TD in Carolina was Tyrod's fault, which was completely false, and Zay himself confirms it here. The ball was exactly where he was supposed to be, but he didn't run a good route nor understand how to run the route. He stumbled on his own and got out of position on the play, it was a perfect pass by TT, poor play by Zay. I even discussed how this play spiraled his confidence the rest of that season, yet people argued. From a football perspective today...he still isn't good enough to be a WR2/Starter. Glad he got paid, and glad he had some success last year, but he led the league in drops, something that has plagued him his whole career. Zay is a good depth WR, but a low end starter. I actually think while last year was probably his best season statistically despite the drops, this year is probably setting him to be in the best position that suits him, #3 WR on a good team. He won't likely repeat the stats he had last year, maybe ever again in his career, but I think he can be a more effective player for the Jags as a 3rd WR behind Kirk and Ridley, and probably the 4th option when you add in Engram who emerged as a Trevor fave second half the season last year. All in all...so happy to see him turn his career around from forgotten man, near washout, to well paid solid depth WR on a good up and coming team where he has a role. It really is a great story and one of the better cases of turning ones career around in recent memory. I will continue to root for his success unless he is playing the Bills where I will root for him to drop more balls lol.

Oh joy, this got bumped up 🙄

Right on cue I see. Your schtick is as reliable as the sun rising in the morning

Its actually astonishing the difference. There are a a lot of very frequent posters here in the offseason who post non-stop negativity who literally are ghosts when we win, especially in convincing fashion. The second we lose a game they flood the board for the whole week until we win again and disappear. With wins, we get very few new threads...after a loss its an insane amount of new doom and gloom threads. In the last 3 seasons, the Bills have gone 13-3 twice...yet there has been a fire everyone thread after just about every loss in both the 13-3 seasons.