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Outside Ravens game where the entire team stunk...the defense has played pretty great, so not sure what he is supposed to turn around.

Generally good teams don't fire their coach midseason. So that is probably why it hasn't happened before (although I havent checked if it even has).

At this point go get him. AFC is all over the place, the defense can hold its own. If the D can keep playing like it has 4 of the 5 weeks (and it’s getting healthier) then the maybe an all in move like Adams can move the needle. After Ravens game I wasn’t sure, the D and the whole team was flat and a train wreck. But D bounced back and offense and Allen regressed. Adam’s and Shakir would be a great duo and Coleman couldn’t have a better WR to learn from as Adams isn’t really faster than Coleman and is the kind of player Coleman aspires to be. So should help the kids development. Im officially back in on Adams as I wanted him bad the last 2 years, but then wasn’t keen on him this year with him being older and wasn’t sure he fit what the offense was doing first 3 weeks. But after the past 2 weeks the offense showed it could use him and D showed me this week it can be good enough if the offense can be better. Still skeptical it will be us, but I’m now hoping it is us again.

Not if Coleman is the first read like it should have been with Hollins running a clear out, which based on how Hollins ran the play and how Brady talked about the play, it seems pretty obvious Hollins was running a clear out and wasn’t supposed to get the target. So the ball to Coleman should be leaving Allen’s hands the moment Coleman starts to comeback, if he does Coleman has the ball caught before the defender gets to Coleman and he has a shot at making him miss or breaking the tackle as he was alone to make the play on Coleman as Hollins cleared the others out. Brady said in his interview, “Allen thought he saw something with Hollins”. And if you listen to Brady’s interview in full it was pretty clear Hollins was not where anyone expected the ball to go. Easy did his best not to throw Allen under the bus, but it was pretty clear IMHO that Allen was the one who chose to take a shot instead of what everyone else was expecting. And I’m sure it’s why McD was livid on the sideline.

He is averaging just over 2 catches a game as a full time starter the whole season with Mahomes and Andy Reid. Let’s relax before we get him his gold jacket.

Let’s be very clear what I said about Mack before you say things that I “believed in that scrub”. I stated all offseason and all season long…he’s at best a 5th or 6th target. I said his value was in blocking more than anything. I then gave his credit for how well he was affecting the game the first 3 weeks as just that, a blocker. Let’s not pretend I claimed he was or should be a starting WR. I said he would have a role on the team, and I disputed he would be a starter. So please don’t start trying to twist my words, it’s well documented all over this forum. And I didn’t say Mac wasn’t bad or had a good game…I said Allen was worse, and it’s not close as Allen touches the ball every play and had maybe his worst half football in his entire career and also helped seal our fate on the final series with awful decisions that were pretty clearly his. Go listen to Brady’s interview today, it was clear as day it was on Allen and said Allen thought he saw something and took those deep shots. But as much as the interviewer pressed him to throw Allen under the bus Brady declined to comment further.

Then why was he playing so bad the whole game before that play where he left the game shortly to get examined?

Funny, I drafted him thinking he will produce more with Wilson who was at least more likely to feed him more passes than Fields. But yeah, he was drafted as a WR3...in 2 leagues I have JJ and St. Brown as my top WR. But he has been pretty useless so far. I benched him after week 2 until I see a breakout game.

I am good using a late pick and hope McD and this staff along with Allen can get through to him. I just don't want to use anything of real value on him because he really is a major baby and slacker right now.

Hahaha One - first year in decades I didn't really prep for my drafts. Two - I thought he had good value where I was getting him even though I hated taking him each time lol. Three - This was my worst year of drafting I have ever done. In 3 leagues I have Allen in 2 and Mahomes in another - And both suck.

I came in with lowered expectations. I wasn't tripping on this year, just wanted to see our young guys keep developing and see a good foundation. Our 3-0 start changes a lot of those expectations for a lot of people. So the past 2 weeks felt as bad as when we had bad losses in the past for even those who didn't have crazy expectations ahead of this season. BUT - I think the bigger issue is the yet again new embarrassing way the Bills found to lose to continue to validate that term "Billsy" way to lose. Getting smashed by Ravens on a short week in a must win game for them, in their house while missing 3 of our best defenders didn't feel as gross as losing this way this week. A game where Allen was atrocious, coaching was stupid, and we kept shooting ourselves in the foot. That being said, I have since calmed down more now from my McD must go stance I had after the game yesterday. Especially since seeing the terrible decisions Allen was making on the final series and seeing how pissed McD was on the sideline telling me this may have been more Allen than McD to blame. Then Brady's interview today was telling that clearly it was Allens decision to take those deep shots and how he has to do a better job to not even give him those options moving forward.

As a joke that was funny...hence my laugh emoticon response ha. But hells no to this guy. And I have him in all 3 fantasy leagues, so getting him on the Bills helps my crappy fantasy teams as I also have Allen on them. But this dude's attitude is much worse than even Claypools was when he was a Steeler. Strip down AB's talent, drive, and work ethic and you have Pickens.

He has a major attitude problem and runs very lazy routes when he isn't getting the ball, like literally half speed at best. He is even lazy in practice and runs less than half speed. TJ Watt has even called him out for it. He is the polar opposite of what they are looking for.

Wasnt the cook one in the field of play and not for a TD? Either way, Cook was 100000000% out of bounds, that would have been a terrible challenge. But the Kincaid one should have been challenged. It may not have gotten overturned, but it at least had a shot to and considering the impact it could have had, I would have challenged it and lived with it if it didn't get overturned.

I love Josh, but he’s got to get smarter in these moments. I defended him in the Chiefs game where he had Shakir for a TD even though he had Diggs short because Allen can make that throw and Shakir can make that catch and it was for a TD and also 2nd down. But in this circumstance it just can’t happen.

Yeah, I mean so much of what is put out is bogus or for clicks, but at least you like to see a decent amount of followers, so still worth posting so thanks. I mean after Sunday (and the Ravens game), any news connecting us to Adams, another WR, or even Budda Baker will all make sense to where I am sure lots of posts are gonna keep popping up linking us to them. At this point, I am fine going to get Adams, I wanted him the last 2 years. My main concern for him this year was 2 fold...one, does he move the needle enough to make giving up a good draft pick for a half year rental...as in, does he make us a legit SB contender or not. And that is still a bit hard to tell, but no doubt he should improve our offense. And the next was will he be OK if he isn't force fed the ball. But after the hot 3 week start, I think that is less a concern now after we haven't been able to spread the ball around as effectively against stiffer competition, so he should still get enough targets to keep him happy. But...still not convinced we will make the best offer to the Raiders. Other teams would not require the Raiders to eat as much salary either.

Already addressed that.

No disrespect...but...Hard disagree on this...the only thing he needed to make happen was guaranteed yards on this play, there was no other acceptable option or objective after we threw unsuccessfully on first down. First off, you are risking a game ending INT there, which Josh has thrown plenty of INT's as we know. Josh is risking a safety holding the ball that long in the endzone which would have lost us the game. Even an incomplete pass means 3rd and 10 where Josh for the 3rd time puts the game in jeopardy having to drop again into the endzone where a safety loses us the game. Then, you are forced to punt without the proper room to punt on 4th down backed up into the endzone again creating an opportunity for a game ending mistake on a bad snap or blocked punt. Even if you get the Punt off, you are giving them excellent field position to get into FG range for a kicker with a big leg. We had 0 time outs, if Hollins makes that play it doesn't do anything for us. We are still a long way away from FG range with no timeouts, no big time receivers to take deep sideline shots with and having maybe 10 seconds left on the clock. There was absolutely nothing to gain on that throw to Hollins and everything to lose. It was maybe the worst decision I have ever seen Josh make personally, and again I love Josh. Getting the pass off on the break to Coleman would have given us at least 5 yards and Coleman a chance to make a move or break a tackle to get the first which he has done on several come back routes already this season. Same with Kincaid. Even just the 5 yards and staying in bounds creates the chance the Texans just let the clock run rather than stopping it. But lets assume they do stop it, not its 3rd and short and Josh isn't putting the game at risk dropping into the endzone with a safety possible to try and pick it up and its MUCH easier for Josh to pick up either throwing or running the ball with him or Cook. And if we don't get it, our punter has more room and the Texans start further away with less time on the clock making the FG attempt harder to obtain, or at least from even further away if they still pick some yards up. There is no ifs ands or buts about it...this was maybe the worst decision of the game and put is in a really bad spot that directly led to the events that lost us the game. And its why McD was so pissed off on the sideline too. Brady gave Josh multiple right choices and Allen instead took the worst choice he could make.

Fair point...but make no mistake about it, as much as it pains me to say as I love Allen, he was terrible Sunday. His passes were off, his decisions were poor, and he looked off from the get go to the finish. That doesn't absolve anyone else from their mistakes, including the coaches either. That is just a flat out honest assessment of how Josh himself played. Am I concerned about him moving forward...no...do I think he is still the 2nd best QB in the NFL...absolutely and I still think he can get into the best in the league convo if he can reach and win some Super Bowls. But Sunday was bad.

You know its possible for there to be other plays, other criticisms on other subjects/players without turning every thread into litigating the Mack Hollins play again right?

What does that have to do with how he played this week?

😬 Yikes

Disagree, he has Coleman off the snap. With Allen’s arm if he hits Coleman off the break it’s not only an easy catch he could also make him miss or break the tackle and outright get the first down. And this should have been the hot read with them sending Hollins to clear out that side. And with Coleman’s hands and catch radius, Allen can put the ball where ever he wants out of harms way to the DB even if he is a little late on the read.

Maybe you should rewatch the game. He was terrible yesterday. Does it mean no one else made mistakes? Nope. But no question this was the worse game Josh has played since his rookie year in my mind. And I love Josh as much as anyone if not more, so I take no pleasure of saying any of this.

Are you blind? Coleman and Kincaid are wide open for at least 5 yards. It was not a throw away, it was a terrible decision. Did you even watch the play?