Alphadawg7

I know this thread is dedicated to the MVP race, but the reality of the situation is Josh Allen isn't really in it right now. Technically he is, but not really. With embarrassing losses to both Zack Wilson and Mac Jones, and a near loss where we only scored 14 points against a 1 win Giants team starting a QB who hasn't played meaningful football in years is going to leave a long bad taste in the mouths of the voters. Add in now the narrative even after this win is that we only won because Godwin didn't see the hail mary (and there is some truth to that) and you have got a team that is 2-2 in the last 4 during the easiest part of its schedule, and both wins a case can be made more that the other team lost it more than we won it and we got lucky. Whether or not that is true or fair doesn't matter, that is the narrative. So right now, Allen and the Bills are probably going to have to win out or lose no more than 1 more game and definitely at least win the division for Allen to have any real consideration. He will have to do a lot more than Mahomes to overcome him, who is the definitive leader for MVP right now. And that is the issue with Allen...while everyone always is willing to acknowledge him as a major MVP candidate, he also is someone the media and everyone seem to hold to a higher standard of near perfection or they tear him down. He is grossly outplaying Burrow right now and yet Burrow doesn't get nearly the same criticism to the level Allen does for example. It will be tough for Allen to win an MVP unless he really definitively beats everyone else out because he is not going to get the votes in a close race. And the thing working in Josh's favor to help him do that is also working against him and this team...and that is the toughness of our remaining schedule which is rough and the defensive injuries. Given the difficulty of the remaining games and the added difficulty with our defensive injuries, if Allen and Bills run the table or lose maybe just 1 close game and still win the division, then that could help propel Josh back into legit consideration. But that won't be easy as we have seen against lesser competition already.

Kurt Warner talked about the Receivers route issues in the Jets game too on 2 of Allens interceptions.

True, but Woolen came from a small school, harder to tell where they will go. So you’re right, he could have gone anywhere, but he was more likely going late first to early 2nd based was all I was saying. He wasn’t a teach based on expected draft slot. Easy to call it that now, but on draft night he wasn’t considered a reach is my only point.

Fitz even talked about how poor of a play call that was during halftime

lol cool

The run out of shotgun on the goal line almost cost us the game. It took 7 points off the board in a game we almost lost on the final play of the game. It’s unbelievable he tried the same horrid play in the same situation again this week that didn’t work last time. It’s these dumb decisions that make it hard to have faith in him over the season and against tougher opponents. I mean what happens when Knox is back? Will he revert back or are we going to see less 12 personnel and keep guys like Shakir more involved? I hope this game shows him the blue print of what makes the offense flow better and he builds on it.

Yeah, it’s what a lot of us wanted to see but you have to wonder what happens when Knox comes back. You just can’t take Shakir out of the mix, it opened so much more for the offense and even Davis. But Dorsey is allergic to doing things that make sense at times, so who knows what he does.

I literally can not believe he again on 3rd and the goal line ran it out of shotgun with Murray and lost yards. Like how does he justify this??? And this time he didn’t get bailed out with a 4th down TD. And it almost cost us the game. And it’s dumb things like this that over shadow other positive adjustments, although I have to wonder that if Knox was not hurt would we have seen these other changes still?

Not sure why you’re getting negative reactions, he’s not close to being what he was yet. Doesn’t mean he won’t get there, but he’s just not there yet. He should still get reps though as we need to get him the opportunity to work all the way back as much as he can. But I think AJE and Groot both should get starter level playing time until he does.

Initially I thought the receiver rounded his route and angled to the sideline, but watching it again I can see the subtle change of direction by the receiver from the under throw when Allen let’s go if the ball. Although I still don’t think it was a good route by the receiver out of the break IMHO (think it was Kincaid), but I see where Allen under threw it now.

It cracks me up how obsessed you are with me and that I live so rent free in your head. It’s one of my fave things around here right now, especially when I see the desperate attempts to force false narratives lmao I look forward to the next one 😘

The fact you have to ask that tells me you either didn’t watch the game or just are going out of your way for what ever reason to challenge or disagree with me no matter the comment as usual lol No one in their right mind would have watched Dorsey once again on the goal line on 3rd down call a run out of the shotgun instead of a QB sneak and think he didn’t blow points. Once again we lost yards and had to go for it on fourth down. And this time we didn’t convert and came away with 0 points. The fact he did this again after not learning his lesson last time is unreal. Even the Bucs Coach knew they should have run the ball with Allen there and didn’t.

Bills have left too many points on the field because of how stupid Dorsey has been with play calling at times. While he’s finally doing the obvious elsewhere, he still is blowing points with bad decisions.

I agree about that, but he wasn’t making it to the 3rd is all I was saying. He would have been taken likely within the next 10 picks IMHO

Turns out it was Knox that needed more snaps so Shakir could get more involved and it seems to have helped Davis produce as well. All that matters to me is that Shakir is more involved. Glad to see Gabe making plays too finally

I mean I gotta say this is proving pretty spot on for the most part with how this game has played out, including Dorsey’s goal line stupidity of not sneaking it. Maybe Dorsey does read my threads 😂😂😂 #Alpha4OC 😎😜💪

One of the reasons I wanted him more involved. Gave was the obvious place to find snaps given his 95% consistent snap count, but if it comes from Knox then so be it, just keep him on the field and hopefully it helps open up more stuff for Gabe and everyone else too. And so far much better start for Davis too

Still liking his involvement which was what I wanted to see more of. Hopefully Gabe does more too if Shakir is making more plays out there.

Maybe Dorsey read my thread about Shakir needing more involvement…3 catches on first drive 😎

I agree with most of this except the bolded. Personally, I don't think we reached for him, he was mostly seen as a mid/late 1st to early 2nd type pick. And technically, if we didn't take him in the first, we would have in the 2nd had he managed to slip there, so there was no plausible scenario he would have been a 3rd round pick.

Its funny, the same people blaming coaching are the same ones who said we didn't need to take a CB early because McD is so great at coaching up CB's. lol

I wasn't overly concerned when this was going on earlier in the year given we had Tre, Benford and Dane and maybe they were just wanting to see him make some improvement in parts of his game. Especially since he showed some promise late last year. However, if Elam can't get on the active roster over Norman at this stage, then that is a lot more concerning and tells me he is either part of trade talks or he really has fallen way out of favor with the staff in some way. Because there is no reality where Norman should be active tonight, so I think this is more likely because Elam is in some trade talks. And if he ends up not being traded, I have a feeling he will be active next game over Norman.

Watching the All-22 this year, the one thing that has stood out how often there are spacing issues in our play designs, including the interception to open the game against the Pats. Is it Dorsey and poor play design or are the WR's not running the right depths on their routes? That is the question, but given the frequency of it, I am having a hard time believing it's not Dorsey.

Hmmmm...feel like I read or heard this somewhere before...lol

If they don't let Josh get back to being Josh...or help him get back to being himself and less reserved, this team won't make the playoffs. After the devastating injuries, the defense isn't good enough to make up for any deficiencies by the offense, and Dorsey isn't good enough to lead this offense to its potential without Josh getting back to playing free and instinctually out there. We won't beat Cincy, KC, or Eagles having just 1 TD midway through the 4th quarter. Those teams will all be able to score on us, and 2 of those teams have stout defenses as well. So the offense needs to be clicking on all cylinders and be at its best for us to have compete and win those games. Then you still have Cowboys, Chargers, Miami, Jets who are all capable of beating this team with the issues we have on defense and the way the offense is sputtering. So, unfortunately, the last 3 weeks have moved my pessimistic needle quite a bit, mainly because I don't trust Dorsey to get this offense back on track with sustained consistency. He didn't do it last year and so far hasn't done it this year. So our best chance is turn Josh loose, let him play free and make those crazy throws few or even only him can make. Let him take off with his legs and truck or hurdle a guy when necessary to get a big first down, Josh feeds off that stuff and is the most fired up when making those kinds of plays. It's time to give Josh back his swagger and mojo and let him go do what he does or this team is going to be in trouble unless Dorsey suddenly becomes an OC genius.