Alphadawg7

Can you name one thing you like about the Bills? Just one. I have never seen you like anything or anyone on this team...ever. It's like every Bills loss is a mini Christmas for you.

No one is talking about it because its a non issue given the refs got the call right. It was a catch, he was down before ball came out, and where he caught ball was enough for a first down.

W O R T H T H E L O S S

YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! WORTH THE LOSS!

Kincaid wasn’t involved in an INT. The one to Davis was on Davis, but the one to Harty was on Allen

Ah, was in a bar and didn’t see that on replay yeah I didn’t see the replay, so I thought it was on Cook, but I see now it was Josh

He fumbled 2 times too

Josh has trained every offseason. Then after playing through a hurt elbow and a tragic and emotional season he takes some time to recover and you all lose your minds. It’s utterly ridiculous

You know Mahomes golfed all off season right? He went on multiple family vacations too.

My son is almost 6 months old now…having him makes me care a lot less about things like these games. My wife is a Niners fan…even though I put him through a table I made week 1 and baptized him Bills Mafia, I love him too much to continue to wish this tragic fanhood on him, especially since we live in CA. So I’m all aboard him being a Niners fan now lol, rather him have a chance to enjoy sports and football than doom him to endure life as a Bills fan 😂

I didn't say McD "succeeded", I said the defense went up a level under McD in the short window we got to see it before decimation by unfortunate injuries. There were more defensive failures than just the final 2 minutes of the KC game and OT including both playoff games last year. All good either way, we are never going to agree on this, and that is ok...just differing opinons But for me personally, I am open to McD bringing in or promoting someone to DC so he can focus on HC duties...but just don't want to see Frazier or anyone who runs a similar bend don't break soft defense.

Buy: Shakir & Kincaid - The Knox injury has opened up more opportunities for both of them, and these guys are on the rise Sell: Dorsey - Ive lost all confidence that he can call a consistent game and I think he is just in over his head Hold: Cook - Talent is there, he just isn't getting used to his potential. I expect they find more ways to get him more touches, even if its short passes as an extension of the run game.

You say Leslie was never the issue, yet under McD the defense was doing better prior to losing its 3 most important players. Leslie was here a long time...and during his time here, the defense did not play to the same level in the playoffs as it did during the regular season. His bend don't break style not only was exposed by better teams, but it also kept those better teams in games. And sorry, the collapse was not just the last 2 min of the game, although that was definitely the most egregious part of it. I mean, we gave up 42 points in that game, only 17 came in the final 2 minutes. Against the Bengals the next week, Chiefs scored just 3 points in the 2nd half vs a defense that was ranked significantly lower than ours. Again...rinse and repeat. Bills high ranked D is exposed in playoffs...same team loses next week by being held in check by a much lower ranked defense. And again...first across the board in all major categories on defense under McD prior to the slue of unfortunate injuries. Is Frazier a good DC...sure...but there are a lot of good coaches who have a history of not getting it done in the big games, and Frazier is firmly on that list from his own record. Every coach in the NFL can hide behind "not enough talent on the D"...the issue here is that defense that you say "talent" was the issue would be ranked top 3 all season before laying an egg in the playoffs. So can't tell me its lack of talent when that lack of talent can beat the KC's of the world in the regular season but can't in the playoffs. Not to mention, teams with less defensive talent are going on to beat these teams beating us the very next week.

I know @GunnerBill you have been a long time defender and supporter of Frazier, but I honestly just don't get it. If the Miami Dolphins were a DC, they would be Leslie Frazier because like the Dolphins, Fraziers defenses would rank well statistically against mediocre to weak competition, but come playoff time against quality competition they were soft, weak, and exposed. Teams in the playoffs would light up the Bills D and then go literally lose the very next week and have their offenses held in check by lesser defenses. This year, before three season ending injuries to arguably our 3 most important players on Defense, the McD led defense was 1st in sacks, 1st in interceptions, 1st in turnovers, 1st in point differential and giving up just 13 points per game, and that includes playing the Miami offense. And even with those injuries, while the defense has fallen off statistically, they have kept us in games well enough for us to have won all of them had our offense not been so flat the last 5 weeks avg just 19 PPG during that stretch despite no significant injuries.

Frazier sucks

I think McD is doing just fine as DC, so I am not worried about that personally. But OC, no more inside promotions if they are just gonna keep running a similar offense and not put a real stamp on it. I would much rather see someone come in from the outside and bring just new thoughts and designs to this offense

I hear ya, and its why Beane went out and added Rasul and Linval. But for me, a much more concerning trend is the offense averaging 19 points a game for last 5 weeks while having no injuries and playing the easiest part of our schedule. Our defense has kept the scores low enough to where this team could be undefeated had the offense just done its part. And that is with an insanely bad luck run of injuries to the D while the O has not had any real significant injuries.

Great write up, thanks for the time to do that and the replies. Everything you are saying here about Gabe and in your replies is exactly where my frustration have been with him and why I have been beating the drum for Shakir since the offseason to be more involved in this offense and passing game. And its been great seeing Shakir really come through with the opportunities he has been getting since Knox has been out. I don't like or trust Dorsey, and my big concern is that when Knox is back is he going to take Shakir off the field more again to get both Knox and Kincaid on it at the same time. I really hope not, Shakir IMHO is showing that the offense runs better with him out there and I really want to see his snaps increase rather than decrease.

I mean when you lose Tre, Milano, and Jones for the season by the first quarter of week 5 this is what happens. Not to mention other key guys missed some timet too like Oliver and Bernard. Its not a defensive trend as much as it is an injury trend.

All of the above

The issue he has only like 5 such games in his 4 year career and done very little rest of the games. Theory: Davis seasonal life cycle: Davis has good game. In the subsequent games he garners extra defensive attention and he becomes irrelevant. After so many games of being irrelevant, defenses forget about him again and don't apply extra attention and he has another random good game. Rinse and Repeat. Results in a a couple good games a season and then a bunch of meh to irrelevant games the rest of the year.

No disrespect...there are so many things in this post that make no sense that it would take too long to address them all.

Im not making any excuses for McD. I am simply stating Dorsey is making the offensive decisions. People keep falsely calling this McD's offense, McD wants to be conservative, etc etc. All of it is incorrect. You want to be pissed at McD, which you clearly are, then nothing wrong with that. But people need to separate facts from anger because the facts are that the offense out there on Sunday is Dorseys design, his scheme, his play calling. He is the big problem on offense. I get the whole low hanging fruity blanket statements of "Well McD is the HC, so it all falls on him"...well that is all fine and dandy, but its also not so cut and dry as if McD is in the offensive meetings helping design the offense and gameplan. McD can tell Dorsey what he wants all day long, but its up to Dorsey to design and execute that on gamedays, not McD. So be pissed at McD for not firing Dorsey yet, I am too. But to keep ranting on a message board that it is McD that needs to fix the offense or that the offense is a product of him is just not based in the reality of the situation. Like I said before...the people who have been anti-McD are making this more about him to feed that bias of wanting him gone, but the reality is Dorsey is the root problem on game day of why our offense is sputtering. But hey, if you want to be mad at McD for not firing Dorsey yet, fair game. I didn't say he has no input, I mean both Dorsey and McD have said he does. I am saying he doesn't have the input some people think. He isn't, even as HC, in the offensive meetings scheming plays and game plans.

You have a clear bias towards McD. If gas prices go up its like you will blame McD for that too. McD does not have the input on the offense you think he does. If you spent time watching actual interviews with McD, Beane, Dorsey, Daboll, etc over the past few years you would know that. Yes, Dorsey is a coach on his staff. But firing a coordinator in season is not something teams looking to compete for championships take lightly, especially ones who have had some success already. They will look at continuity more than change there and try and fix the issues before making a drastic move. Now, I personally think Dorsey should be fired, but I also think the odds of them doing it now are low and if there was going to be an in season change it might come the week before our bye to give whoever is taking over time to settle in. So you can keep raging about McD all you want, but that doesn't mean you are correct about how much involvement he has on the offensive scheme. The offense is Dorseys no matter how much you want to absolve him so you can blame the guy you are more out for in McD.

Cut him and send a message.