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I don't disagree with much of anything here, and you're not wrong, loss is more on Josh than anyone. However, I went in really watching for the things that had me concerned from last year about Dorsey, and I just felt like I was still seeing a lot of them. For example, I am not saying run Harris/Murray more and take Cook off the field, I am saying why are we still calling draw plays into the teeth of the defense with Allen and Cook when we have better options to put out there for those kinds of plays. Cook can't break a tackle to save his life, we have always needed better ground game in terms of the tougher yards, yet we still call Cook and Allens numbers more often to get those despite Cook unable to break tackles and Allen being fumble prone and our QB who doesn't need all the additional contact as he generates enough on his own. We have these 2 matchup weapons at TE, but how many targets did they get? And I agree that Allen and his decision making is a factor here, but also we don't know where those receivers that we saw open were are in his reads. If the first 2 or 3 reads are elsewhere it could be why he isn't seeing them too before firing somewhere else where he thinks he can make the play. For example, it was a mistake to throw that 3rd pick when he had Kincaid open for the short gain for the first on the same side of the field. But if Kincaid there is like his 3rd read and he thought he had a window on his previous read, he isn't going to see Kincaid before firing the ball. There is not time to go through all your reads then come back to the one you think is the most open because they won't be open anymore. So that is where we don't really know what is going on as it feels like all the early reads are all downfield, and that is play design issues if so. Why aren't we prioritizing the short throw, why aren't they the first read or at least 2nd read more often? And you can tell they aren't because of how Josh drops back and looks downfield and gives that time to develop. If the short option was a primary read, it would be a quick strike ball like the first play of the game on the quick strike slant to Diggs on Sauce. But that just isn't the case on most plays where Allen drops back, a deep drop most times, and is first looking down field where he then tries and comes back to find a short outlet or someone breaking off a route to come back to him as he rolls out. That was one of my biggest issues last year is that the offense was way too reliant on the plays where Allen extends them and the receivers come back and break off routes. Our guys were not winning on routes initially enough and we also were looking too much to push the ball downfield. All defenses need to do now is disrupt the deep ball and our offense goes off schedule and we get into down and long too often.

All good, and look not discounting Allens poor decisions. The pick on the sideline for example where he had Kincaid open underneath for the short gain but first down is a very good example of the poor choice. Allen owns that and all 4 turnovers which were just flat out all bad choices. But the other things I mentioned in my OP still concern me about Dorsey as much as they did last year. There was supposed to be a renewed focus on running the ball and yet we are running the same style run game that has not been effective for 3 years now. Why are we running draws with Allen and Cook instead of Harris or Murray? Cook isn't a banger, not sure if he even broke a single tackle last night. Get him to the outside and in space, don't bang him up the middle. And he was drafted to be a big receiving threat, yet we barely get him any targets. Where was the 12 personnel and TE involvement we were told was being inserted into this offense? Especially against the Jets where that could attack the weakest part of the Jets D? Its one game, Allen made plenty of his own mistakes. So not going to over react one way or the other. But nothing about this offense felt different in how our pesonnel was used or how the game was called compared to last year. And that to me needs to evolve as much as Allen needs to make better decisions. I could see Dan getting into it...don't want his first gig to be here, but I could see him being an OC if he wanted to be one. But he shouldn't, he is very good on TV and will have more fun and better job security in TV lol

Dont disagree with this, however I think he has gotten worse with this under Dorsey, and that is the point I am really getting at. It feels like he is thinking about too much out there now and just isn't seeing the field like he used to before to find those better opportunities rather than forcing them.

He definitely did not look comfortable in the pocket or that the protection would hold up. There were times I thought the protection looked good and he tried to leave the pocket anyway. Its like he had PTSD from the Bengals game and just didn't trust it to hold when he saw any sort of potential pressure.

This couldnt go in one of the many Allen threads? You needed your own thread for this? lol

No disrespect, but did you read my OP to start this thread? Because I was pretty specific there

This is fair, but why is Allen now not seeing those, why isn't he as comfortable in the offense? I just think that Allen is not playing as free and instinctively as he was in years prior since Dorsey took over at OC. And like I said, Allen doesn't any excuses here, he made poor decisions, thats on him. But the other issues I listed with Dorsey are still their own concerns as well.

Does anyone realize that outside of the 2 runs by Hall (83 and 19), the Jets averaged like 2 yards per carry? I get no one likes to see the big runs, but at the same time overall the defense did pretty good against the run almost the entirety of the game with exception to 2 plays. I am not so much concerned about the run D, more so than I am about MLB which IMHO will be stabilized some once Kirskey gets elevated to roster and takes over the starting MIKE spot, which I expect to be inside the next few weeks at worst.

Fair points here...and still comes back to is Dorsey the right guy to oversee Allen and Diggs prime years. He has no experience as an OC until now, and how is he going to handle coaching Josh moving forward to get him back to where he was because Allen looks less sure out there even on successful plays than he did in years past.

Fair, but I was already complaining about Dorsey all first half when Allen just had the one INT. Me and some buddies all were saying the same thing...it doesn't feel like Dorsey evolved much from last year in how he calls plays. If we win that game and Allen has just the one INT and Dorsey calls the same game, I still would have the same concerns that I mentioned above in my OP. I hope to see more next week, and Allen playing better will help evaluate it for sure. But Dorsey was one of the things I was watching the most coming into this game and what I saw from the offense in design, play calling, and use of personnel and I came away feeling like a repeat of last year.

Last night Allen had one of his worst games in a long time. So this is NOT to shift any responsibility of that from him to anyone else, Allen gets to own that performance, no excuses. There were times where he was looking good and then all of a sudden this terrible decision happens to undo it all and give the ball away, he just can't do that. However, I came away just as concerned with Dorsey and his play calling and use of personnel that I was last year. Just to name a few: We go out and sign Harris and Murray then still call draws up the middle by our QB and small sized RB? Where were all the 2 TE sets to put pressure on the weaker part of the Jets D? Why are all our WRs running 15 yard deep routes on 3rd and short with only a RB underneath? Where are the screens to guys like Cook, Harty, Diggs? Why are we running on 2nd and 15 when we have the number offense over the past 3 years on picking up down and long plays via pass? Where was the quick strike stuff we opened the game with Diggs on Sauce for the first play and completion? Why are we still trying to force a run game from unconventional formations that didn't work in the past? I am not going to blame Dorsey for Allens poor decisions, those were all on Allen. But, at the same time, I have not felt like Allen has played as free or instinctively under Dorsey as he did under Daboll. I think about Mahomes in KC, when you watch the show Quarterback you just get some insight on just how involved Mahomes and the other players are in helping shape the offense and that its completely catered around everything Mahomes does best. And more importantly, they give Mahomes a ton of options short and underneath with easy throws for RAC which is why he leads the NFL in most yards gained every year on throws near or behind the LOS and he leads by a mile. Since Dorsey got here, it feels more like trying to change Allen's instincts and thought process to be something different rather than leaning into what he does best like Daboll did. I have long been concerned about risking Allen and Diggs prime on an unproven first time OC. Last year I thought Dorsey was pretty bad in many facets of his job, especially in play calling inside the redzone and his use of personnel. Week 1, nothing that happened changed those concerns. Everything I was frustrated about last year in how this offense was run still all seemed present to me. Allen needs to be better with the football and stop trying to score on every play, there is no doubt about that. But I also think our OC isn't doing him any favors either. There is no way this team can take a step forward if Dorsey doesn't evolve positively from last year. Week 1 felt like not much had changed, hope that doesn't continue.

You are going to get a lot of crap by the usual group that is negative 365 days a year and this is like Christmas to them as they much rather be right about pessimism than see the Bills succeed. But, coming into this game, looking at the schedule, week 1 felt like a game we could lose and then potentially win the next 7 heading into a big test in week 8. And I still think we could do that, and honestly somewhat expect that and I think we will find out week 2 how plausible it is. Are we going to see a big rebound game from Josh, or will we win more like we won a lot of games last year...not clean, kind of a struggle.? If Josh has a big bounce back game, I think winning the next 7 is plausiuble. If we win, but its a close game where everything on the offense just feels more difficult than it should, kind of like the back half of last year, then I think we got bigger problems and all of a sudden every game gets tougher than it should, again much like last year. I am never one to over emphasize early season games, but right now week 2 feels awfully important. They need to find their swagger again, and fast. This team needs a refreshing dominant win, at least offensively before their confidence starts to fade, frustrations set in, and guys keep pressing too much like Allen was.

My first thought when I saw that play and then reassured again on replay was that Josh's hurdle there felt more like his instinct to get the ball out of the way of contact and wrap it up to protect it more than trying to get more yards. It just looked like he realized he was in a bad predicament without the ball properly secured with no way to avoid the contact and he went up to try and avoid a potential fumble on contact to get the ball above the defenders and secured more in his arms. If you watch the replay, this to me seems the most plausible reason. Now...that does highlight another issue which is how he can recklessly hold the ball when running that has led to way too many fumbles given how much contact he takes and initiates on runs. But, I think this needless hurdle was his instinctive way to secure the football by getting it above the contact and secured with two arms when he realized he was about to get hit by 3 guys while he had the ball just palmed in his hand. https://x.com/JakeLBeckman/status/1701409336419926340?s=20

Yeah, I immediately said to my friends here “WTF, he said all off season he was gonna stop that and here he is”. I love Allens heart and leaving it all on the line mentality…but stuff like that is so unnecessary and he needs to just avoid. When it happened, I said I think he did it to avoid fumbling as he wasn’t protecting the ball and it was like he went over the top to keep the ball from potentially getting knocked out of his hands. Which is in itself it’s own problem if why where he doesn’t properly protect the ball when running

I don’t disagree with that, but I’m not sure Allen is there either. He’s got a lot of talent around him, he’s going to have big games and get right too. Ive seen all the greats have 4+ turnover games and it didn’t change them forever. Bengals game was a team wide flop. Last night was Allen just pressing too much. I think he was trying too hard to change the narrative and when Allen presses he makes poor decisions. He needs to control his competitiveness where he tries to be Superman all the time and realize it’s better to take what’s there. I do have concerns about Dorsey though, Allen just doesn’t seem to playing as free and instinctively as he was before Dorsey

I think this is sort of hitting on the issues. Josh in 2021 played more free out there, instinctively. 2022, as the season wore on he seemed to have less fun and played in a way where he felt less comfortable. And tonight, he looked like he had happy feet out there, like he is thinking too much about things that are outside his natural insticnts at the position. I said this last year, I said this over the offseason, and I am gonna say it again. It's a BIG gamble to risk the prime years of Allen and Diggs on a unproven OC who has never done the job before. I am not excusing Allen's poor decisions today, but I have not felt like Josh is nearly as confident or comfortable in Dorseys system. And quite frankly, I can't stand how Dorsey calls games still. But Allen just doesn't seem to have as much fun or feel as comfortable as he used to with Dorsey at OC.

Lol Bills loss is no where near as bad as Giants and Bengals were who combined for 3 points. Giants looked like they were playing a scrimmage and Bengals and Burrow just crapped the bed after over paying him. Allen had a bad game, one of his worst in terms of decisions, but Bills still had a chance to win this game. The other teams were never in the game at all and got utterly manhandled by their divisional rivals.

Burrow just passed for 82 yards and led his team to 3 points with Chase, Higgins and Boyd as his 3 WR's and against a lesser secondary. Allens playoff stats dwarf Burrows too. So why is he not in the same category? Because he had a bad game himself or just because Burrows defense carried him to a Super Bowl?

Npt that it matters, but Bears lost to GB...Vikes lost to Baker and the Bucs

I watched this game...my takeaways were that I don't think either team is a real Super Bowl contender, and I am not even sure the Chargers make the playoffs. How Staley still has a job is puzzling to me, this team does not know how to win and has way too much talent to not be even a playoff team. Dolphins defense, for all the offseason hoopla, looked meh most the game. They got some big sacks on the last series, but outside of that, they didn't look much different to me than last year. Tua and Hill had big games, but he got help from the Chargers to do so. I will give Tua credit, he did make some really nice throws in that 2nd half, but regardless the Chargers should have won this game but they did what they always do and failed to capitalize on opportunities or close the game out. Im not concerned about either team that much.

You know something else I just realized too...We did not sign up for YoutubeTV, we just paid for Sunday Ticket because we get free Spectrum as my wife works for them doing the sports marketing for the Lakers and Dodgers. So YoutubeTV was a waste...for us. But the difference for us is that to watch the local affiliate game, I have to use another app (Spectrum) where as if you have YoutubeTV subscription then it will already have the local affiliates in it and will show that game too, which is probably why it showed you all 5 games because the app you are using is both your TV subscription and Sunday Ticket. That is something DirecTV never did, because Sunday Ticket was a separate app (if using apps) and also would not show blacked out games because it had no access to those channels from within the app. So that must be why my Sunday Ticket on Youtube just gave me the 3 Sunday Ticket games I am guessing, where you are probably a YoutubeTV Subscriber and could see all 5 since Sunday Ticket is built into YoutubeTV rather than a separate app.

Weird because I only had 3 available games on Sunday ticket because both Rams/Sea and LAC/Mia were on CBS and Fox. So they were not even listed in mine and had to watch them on CBS and Fox. I would think if Fox or CBS were airing games in your region, those games should also be blacked out on Sunday Ticket which has always been the case at least here. Or maybe they only do that in major markets or something, not sure what market you live, but maybe that is why. I’ve only ever lived in large markets so it’s always been this way since I first got Sunday Ticket.

You won’t get local games on Sunday Ticket, you’ve never been able to do that. It can only show the games allowed. Has nothing to do with YouTube. Check CBS or Fox, that’s where your game was you wanted because it was being broadcast on one of them in your area.

As I was saying... Overrated.

People realize Josh doesn’t run his own Instagram right nor makes these videos? Except that’s not remotely close to what he said. I suggest you watch the podcast.