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To be fair...One word: D O R S E Y His INT % is at its worst under Dorsey. It's at his career avg of 2.4% under Brady and really its at 1.2% under Brady because one of his 2 INT's with Brady at OC was a hail mary and not off a targeted pass thrown. First of all, the meat of the stats is INT per pass thrown...has nothing to do with TD's. Second of all, running or passing, its a TD scored by the QB. It counts the same on the board, to disregard it for him or any QB is pretty absurd. Take away Hurts rushing TD's and his stats are terrible for example yet he is the MVP front runner.

Yeah you are right, not sure why one site showed 0...just double checked stat muse and Allen has 2 career lost post season fumbles. So seems correct answer is 2 actually. Thanks for pointing that out He doesn't have 56 fumble turnovers though...he has only 23 lost fumbles, those are the only ones that have been turnovers. And all the other all time greats had fumbles too I did not factor in.

The problem is to compare them to all time greats, that means their careers are over. And I included many recent greats who played in this era and Mahomes. And more importantly, to talk about his "last 8 games" without discussing the NIGHT and DAY difference between the Dorsey led offense avg 20.5 PPG for 6 of those games and the Joe Brady led offense avg 33 PPG for the other 2 is leaving out some SIGNIFICANT context. Allen already has the record for most TD in first 6 years and still has 5 more games to go to finish that 6th year. Just watch Allen cook the league these final 5 games with the OC switch. He is the 2nd best QB in the NFL and he is about to remind the world of that here down the stretch.

Correct, I did not include fumbles as the meat of the thread was addressing the media narrative that Josh in interception prone, so it was how often does he really throw interceptions. For the TD to INT rate, I did include rushing TD's for all QB's as a comparison to how often he throws an INT vs scoring a TD as this again was addressing the narrative about his interception totals being too high.

See my correction on my comment above where I misread a tweet that said 3rd, but it was talking a different ratio. So I went back and edited my comment to reflect that so you don't get wrong info.

I also believe we will run the table and reach at least the AFCCG. Mark me down with you on this. We are about to see Allen and this offense carry us at a new level down the stretch. Had the Brady switch happened sooner I believe we would have had a shot at #1 seed. But it didn't, however its happened now and I do think this team runs the table over the final 5 games.

CORRECTION: I said 3rd because I saw a stat about that on Twitter, but when I went back it wasn't the same stat. I will need to go do a check myself on the current ones, so don't want to give you bad info. After doing a quick check amongst the better QB's of Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Herbert, Lamar, Tua, and Burrow. On that spot check, it went Mahomes and Hurts as top 2, then Herbert and Lamar were just above Allen, then it was Allen with Burrow slightly behind him, and Tua was far back at 2.4 to 1. So he was at 5th not 3rd before checking everyone else. But him, Lamar, Herbert, and Burrow were all pretty closely grouped. Hurts has a high INT rate compared to passing TD's, but he has so many tush push rushing TD's that it makes his TD to INT rate pretty good.

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Lazy analysts and media pundits look at something like a "total" and do not consider the context of that total like volume of passes. The more passes you throw then statistically the more INT's you will throw, that is just mathematical probability. And these comparisons to Brett Farve are just lazy and inaccurate, you will see the evidence below. If a player A throws 3000 passes and player B 1500 passes, then the statistical probability is that player A will likely have more INT's, but it doesn't also mean he is more likely to throw an INT on a given play. It is true that Allen has the "most since" and you can pick any year since being in the league and that statement is true. Most in 2023, most since 2022, most since 2021, etc etc. But does that really mean he is the worst at throwing interceptions? No it doesn't directly indicate that, to know that, you need to know more context. There is only one true metric to understand a QB's frequency that he will throw an interception, and it is NOT totals, it is INT % rate...How often he throws an INT for every pass attempt. So how does Josh stack up against other great QB's of recent year and all time? Josh's careen INT % rate is 2.4% and here is how that stacks up against QB's that are amongst the most prolific or best of all time: Aaron Rodgers 1.4% Patrick Mahomes = 1.7% Tom Brady = 1.8% Drew Brees = 2.3% Josh Allen = 2.4% Matt Stafford = 2.4% Ben Roethlisberger = 2.5% Joe Montana = 2.6% Steve Young = 2.6% Phillip Rivers = 2.6% Peyton Manning = 2.7% Cam Newton = 2.7% Dan Marino = 3.0% Troy Aikman = 3.0% John Elway = 3.1% Kurt Warner = 3.1% Randall Cunningham = 3.1% Brett Favre = 3.3% Warren Moon = 3.4% Jim Kelly = 3.7% Allen as you can see stacks up better than most and in the top 5 of this list all time great QB's. And we can see why Farve comparison is BS and lazy as Brett was MUCH more wreckless with the football. Josh Allen also has a career TD to INT ratio of 2.9 to 1 which is insanely and historically great. For comparison sakes, lets look where he ranks among some of those all time greats and his common comparison, Brett Farve. Tom Brady: 3.2 to 1 Josh Allen: 2.9 to 1 Drew Brees: 2.4 to 1 Peyton Manning: 2.2 to 1 Brett Farve: 1.55 to 1 It is absolutely lazy and atrocious to compare him to Farve, Allens TD to INT ratio is practically DOUBLE Farves. In todays NFL, he is 3rd behind Rodgers and Mahomes for those with at least 2 seasons played. NOW...doesn't mean Josh can't improve on the INT's, doesn't mean he has not made some poor decisions or forced too much. What it does mean is that Allen has been the Bills offense and he has had to carry this team more than he should and with that comes volume and with volume comes increased totals. But give me a QB who scores 3 TD's for every INT thrown 10 times out of 10 because there are NOT many better than that in NFL history. So make your own opinion...would you take the most TD's of all time with an INT % rate of just 2.4% which is better than most the all time great QB's? For those of you who have been talking about moving on from Josh...good luck with replacing that, as that is historically good and not likely to be upgraded upon in our lifetime in Buffalo.

I think part of the issue is that this isn't really Joe Bradys system yet. For example, Leonard Fournette said this was by far the most complicated passing system he has ever seen and would take a while to get up to speed (Dorsey was OC when he was signed). And there was many direct references to how complicated our system is where WR's often have 5 options on a route. But I have no doubt Brady is going to adjust this in future situations. IMHO Brady is crushing it so far...only 2 games...but I have been very impressed with him during games and in his interviews thus far.

It can not be on Allen though, he had to throw the ball before Davis made any break and the WR has the option to go corner or inside, so Allen has to go where he thinks Davis is going to choose based on the coverage. Doesn't really make either guy wrong, its part of the risk with a WR option when a QB is forced to throw before the break. Most plays there is more clear choice, on this one, it was pick a direction they are both easy TD's. Based on the look at the time Allen threw it, inside is where it looked like Davis "should" go. That also doesn't mean its Davis fault either, but I think the bigger issue is that next time, there needs to be a predetermined understanding of where to break on that look vs an option.

Not only do I think they can, I believe they will win out. Prediction: We will at least reach the AFCCG

I know a lot of people here don't think we can win out...but IMHO it is a real possibility if the offense keeps playing this way under Brady rest of year. But let's skip the debate on whether we will or won't and talk briefly about what happens IF we do. Because this team has already done this in 2021, and I started a thread then 6 games out saying I thought the Bills would run the table and win out, which they did. And I again think they can this year if we can maintain our offensive momentum. BUT - Not a thread to debate whether we will or won't - It's about what happens with our Coaching decisions if say we HYPOTHETICALLY do. I think its safe to say McD is likely fired if we miss the playoffs while having a healthy Josh and Diggs all season. But if we go on a run, it creates some interesting coaching decisions/scenarios. Let us hypothetically assume we go 11-6, make the playoffs - What happens with McD and Brady? Right now, McD is clearly on the hot seat and I think will probably be fired if we miss the playoffs. But if this team gets into the playoffs, the AFC is lacking in tough opponents right now and Bills could certainly make some noise and win a couple games. Still in 2021, our schedule was not as hard as what we have remaining now, so it won't be easy...but it is certainly possible. Think about these questions if this played out this way: Does McD get fired or retained if we make win out to make the playoffs? Would Brady be a hot HC candidate and we lose him to another team if the offense rolls for the rest of the season and post season? Would McD still get fired even if we make the playoffs but fail to reach at least AFCCG? If McD is fired, would Brady be a serious consideration to replace him if the offense keeps rolling? If McD saved his job, would he be HC/DC again next year or just HC and hire an DC? Posted some poll questions addressing these scenarios

Josh is still right there with Mahomes and one of the best players in the league. Dorsey ruined him for half a season, but Brady has brought him back. He is a generational talent and will hold multiple NFL records when his career is done. I have no doubt Josh Allen will hoist a SB trophy at some point in his career.

lmao, your takes get worse by the post

More than Gabe.

LOL...No, absolutely not is the league "rigged". The league has an immense value over $100 Billion dollars, and that value is predicated on its integrity. There is abosolutely no way the Billionaire owners or anyone else is going to let the league gamble on rigging games or affecting outcomes and jeopardize the value of the league and the multi-billion dollar teams owned by those billionaires. Now, the officiating is terrible...no doubt. There are things that must be addressed...no doubt. And there are always possible scenarios where refs don't call games straight for personal reasons (gambling, like/dislike of teams/players, etc) in any sport, there is no way to eliminate that possibility, only the ability to act swiftly when discovered. But I will say, the refs Sunday called that game like they all bet their house on Philly. It was that egregious. But I think it was just another case of very poor officiating.

He wasn’t a scapegoat, Frazier has said 100 times why he left, this narrative he was forced out is pretty ridiculous. Doesn’t mean McD doesn’t have a lot to answer for, but Frazier was not a scapegoat and he left on his own…those are the facts. Doesn't mean you can’t still be happy he is gone for the reasons you stated, but this “scapegoat” narrative is just another false story around here. McD for sure though put a target on his back by wearing two hats though when Frazier stepped away. And to be quite honest, it’s not his DC hat that is going to get him fired. Defense has dealt with a lot and still played well enough for this team to be the #1 seed in AFC right now had the Dorsey led offense not sucked for most of the season. But, his HC hat is where he is really in trouble this year as there are now a pile of glaring coaching decisions that have really been hard to ignore. And the end of the Philly game wasting a timeout to ice a kicker attempting a rushed 59 yard FG in bad weather was about as stupid as it gets, especially since we could have had 20 seconds and TWO timeouts to try and get a FG ourselves. KC scored a FG in 13 seconds against us then did it again the following regular season against us last year at end of half in LESS time with only 12 seconds to go and get a FG. As soon as we took a knee to end the 4th I knew that if we lose this game after not trying to win it there that McD may have just sealed his fate. And most of us knew Dorsey should have been fired even sooner than he did. Seeing this offense ball out 2 weeks straight and avg 33 points a game after Dorsey (against weaker defenses) averaged 20.5 for 6 weeks shows just how stupid it was to keep sticking with Dorsey until it was near too late. And that choice also put this team in such a hole that even if we play great down the stretch and win out from here, we could very easily still miss playoffs.

This thread feels like a lot words for your real agenda of just hating on Allen again.

Bernard, Shakir, and Rasul to name some more.

We lost cuz of any of the following individual plays: Cook dropped TD Bass 2 missed FGs Davis missed OT TD Allens ill timed INT Bonus: Refs MANY MANY missed calls You can really point to a number of single plays that cost us this game and quite possibly the season. Davis apparent blunder in OT was IMHO one of those reasons.

Davis was at fault, he knew it and even reacted to his own mistake on the sideline. It’s also why so many players went to console him. It’s not a question of who was on fault

Gabe also had a drop this game too. For the good he does he still finds ways to really hurt the team

But when did Nick Mullens ever “look great”? What Mullens did was not in the same league of Purdy. Will Purdy get figured out or keep it up is a legit question and though still.

Devin started 2 games, the last 2 games and in those 2 games what did he do? Moss was amongst the NFL leaders in rushing before Taylor got back. So not sure what your point is, both proved to play very good when given chances.