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He has not surpassed Allen in anything, literally nothing. Have the Bengals defense helped Burrow go 1 round further in the playoffs, sure...but QB to QB Allen has accomplished more as a passer in the regular season and literally dwarfs Burrows rather pedestrian post season stats. Allen has just in the regular season only...with WORSE weapons than Burrow, substantially worse when you factor in his whole career Most TDs in NFL history through first 5 years Multuiple time MVP finalist, including runner up in 2021 with a season that was better than most past winners 3 straight divisional championships Multiple playoff passing records Allen vs Burrow playoff resume Allen 8 games, Burrow 7 games Allen has double the TD's 20 to 10 Burrow has a higher turnover rate (both have 4 interceptions and no fumbles...but Allens was over 8 games, Burrows was in just 7) Allens TD to INT ration is 5-1...Burrows is 2.5-1 (so half of Allens) Allen produces over 80 yards more total yards per game Allen passes for over 30 yards more per game Allen bests him significantly in Rating, YPA, and just about every metric there is The literally only stat Burrow is better in is comp % by a difference of just ONE completion per game yet Allen grossly outproduces him in every statistical category Yet...despite all that, Burrow has had superior weapons and Allen has also played through a serious elbow injury and worse weather. But because in 2021, Josh Allens defense failed to hold a lead in final 13 seconds and OT while Burrows defense magically stopped the same Mahomes offense for just 3 points in the 2nd half allowing Burrow and the offense to just sneak back up and steal the game you seem to think that makes him the better QB? Allen grossly outplayed what Burrow did in the KC game the week before against the same Chiefs defense, but Frazier and our inept defense failed him. And sure, Bengals won last year, but that was a TEAM loss, the whole Bills franchise was flat that day and that does not make Burrow better than Allen any more than Zack Wilson beating the Bills (twice) would make Zack better than Allen. Sorry...its just not corret to say Burrow has accomplished more. Bengals TEAMS have done more, but that doesn't make Burrow more "accomplished" individually as a passer. Trent Dilfer won a SB while Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, etc have not...doesn't make Dilfer better than them.

I didnt say he was. Thread is titled "hypothetically" by the OP

I am not saying Burrow having a calf injury isn't valid...Im saying its BS how Burrow and Allen are not be treated the same where Allen did not get the same benefit of the doubt while playing through a worse injury last year and instead was being labeled as "regressing" and "overrated"

Allen didn't get the injury benefit of the doubt when he had an injury to his throwing elbow, which is more significant than a calf injury. Its not like Burrow can't walk or something out there. Not saying legs are not important to a QB, saying Allens injury was more impactful than Burrows yet all the talk was Allen is regressing, not that the injury could be impacting him.

Which poster is that? Maybe it’s my shadow account there hahaha

I have to confess...I created an account over there this week and am s***ing on their team and giving them reality checks from the inside disguised as one of their own 🤣

But he did just call some people out, just not by name. And that doesn't make him a bad person, that makes him a leader. I don't get why some of you have said you don't think he would call anyone out because he is a nice or great person. Holding people accountable is what a leader is supposed to do, and he is doing it without dragging anyones name in the mud by leaving it more generalized than naming anyone.

Why does Burrow get the injury excuse and Allen didn't last year even though Allens injury was more serious and more impactful in actually throwing the football? Curious, have you watched a Bengals game? Burrow does not look good at all, and it goes beyond anything to do with his calf.

Wow haha had not heard that

But he just did. And he did so in a way to not publicly name any specific player to the media, but he literally just specifically referenced it was certain players rather than saying the whole team needed this humbling.

Hahaha yup

Edmunds has been a disaster in Chicago no doubt. But, for some context, this is the same Bears team that made Roquan and Morrow look like 2 of the worst LB's in the league last year and both are amongst the best in the NFL so far this year on new teams. That whole team is a train wreck, top to bottom in the staff and FO That Bears team is a disaster...I would say they should clean house and fire everyone this week...GM, HC, OC, and DC. But, its probably in their best interest to keep losing so they can try and get both Caleb and Marvin Harrison Jr this draft with the picks they have.

I think its pretty clear that Tua is talking specifically about some people on the team here. He didn't say it was the team that needed it, but some people on the team. Personally, I don't think this is getting talked about enough. If Josh Allen had said this, there would be non stop coverage about a rift between him and Diggs again. So who is he talking to or about...well, my personal theory is that I think at least one of those people might be Tyreek Hill: This week Hill was boasting about not studying any film, literally playing Madden the night before games is all the research he does to check their Madden ratings on awareness, speed, strength, etc to get a feel for the player. During the Broncos blow out, after Hill scored a TD off a catch and run, the TV cameras caught Tua telling Hill he ran the wrong route with Hill responding back who cares, we got the TD. Hill has been very vocal about his own personal stats, his goals of 2000 yards, all offseason. You don't hear much from him in terms of team goals, he is very self absorbed and really feels himself. According to Hill himself, he isn't putting the preparation in week to week watching film despite teams preparing to slow him down every week. Tua already called him out for not running the proper route last week in which he blew off since he still ran for the score. Just feels like if that message was to be sent to anyone, Hill is probably one of the guys that needs to hear it. Im sure the clowns with the emoticon shirts were on his mind too that gave Josh and the team bulletin board material.

Disagree. Dorsey was a major issue last year and he has made mistakes this year like the throwing it on 4th and inches debacle when a sneak has a SUBSTANTIALLY higher success rate. But, it looks like BOTH Allen and Dorsey looked at what was working and what wasn't working week 1 and finally made some adjustments. Part of being a great OC is getting on the same page with your players. It is still a long season, and Dorsey needs to show he can both maintain this and make adjustments when teams eventually make their own adjustments to what we are doing with a high degree of success right now. As someone who has been critical of Dorsey's issues last year and things earlier in the season, I have no problem admitting that this was his best game ever as an OC where the game plan was there and the team executed it at a high level. If this is what we get from Dorsey moving forward, this offense will be unstoppable. But we need to see him sustain this when teams come up with counters to what we are doing, and that was probably the what he was worst at last year.

If anyone wants to know just how much weaker Frazier was at getting home on QB's...Since trading for Jerry Hughes, he played 5 years without Frazier (his first 4 in Buffalo then last year in Houston) and 5 years with Frazier. Hughes averaged 4.5 sacks with Frazier and 9 sacks without Frazier including 9 last year when he was supposed to be washed up. Frazier IMHO is the biggest reason we have not reached a SB and I couldn't be happier he is gone

Dont forget about Jones

Bahahahahaha

Yeah all good my man...I am definitely a football and fantasy junkie, so that certainly helps haha.

Those are not fans, they are not going to stick to watching the NFL the second Swift isn't dating Kelce anymore. Literally the only gain for the NFL is utterly minuscule in value with a temporary bump in a single players jersey sales that won't even make an impact on their books by years end as it is such an insignificant amount of money. And the moment there is a breakup, they will be hating on Kelce and the NFL, burning jerseys, etc. The "boost in ratings" are for a single game, and all that results on is a slight bump in advertising premiums for that one game a week, which again over the course of a season is a minuscule difference for the NFL, its books, and company value. So it is one thing to have some fun with it and capitalize to some degree, but its a whole other level to utterly annoy and piss off your entire fanbase that made your corporation a $100B company for a small boost that won't even register in NFL value over the long term because none of those fans care 1% about the NFL, they just showing loyalty to Swift until she writes her next album about the Kelce breakup. In my book, pissing off the fanbase that actually makes your company as valuable as its to cater to some people who bring no value to your company and are 100% temporary is not a great business strategy. NFL took a ton of heat for last nights over the top approach to Swift...I would be surprised if they don't tame it down some moving forward.

The game doesn't have to be close for me to enjoy the game. I enjoyed watching the Pats get embarrassed for example. But there are also players I like watching play, blowout or not. Fantasy football also makes all games interesting for me, so maybe that is the difference. I do several leagues, plus I do a couple weekly FanDuel games with some friends and stuff. I watched all 3 games Sunday afternoon and the Primetime game, and so did my wife. We enjoyed ourselves, but we are also a football family as she loves football as much as I do

But for me, the surprises and the let downs are what make the NFL so great and special. So much can change one year to the next. I don't want to see everything we expect happen just happen. The unpredictability of the NFL is what makes it so great. Its what makes me love the UFC too where the unpredictable happens a lot. I love that any team can lose on any given week or that anytime team can regress or elevate season to season. Since Rodgers went down on the 2nd play, Jets intercepted Allen and Mahomes 5 times in 2 games and honestly should be 2-0 in those games with Zack Wilson but they gave away last nights game with a couple dumb and silly mistakes. And when they are making the schedule in the offseason, there is no way to truly know what will be a good or bad game because of that volatility, especially with injuries. I mean who would have thought the biggest story of the Chiefs vs Jets on Sunday night football would be stupid Taylor Swift and who is in her stupid booth with her instead of Mahomes vs Rodgers? So I can't fault the NFL when sometimes some bad games happen, there is almost no way to truly predict that, especially with the injuries that are rampant through the NFL. So I think you are being a bit over critical for something they can't truly control. And they have to find ways to get even some of the lesser teams some primetime games too, can't just be the same teams getting all the games even though the better teams will get more. And sometimes those lesser teams end up playing better than expected like the Rams, Cards, Colts, etc and the "better" teams don't like Bengals, Jags, etc.

Barring major injuries, there isn't a game left on our schedule where we won't be the favorites, including the Eagles. Don't get me wrong, Eagles are a good team, but I think we are playing better and are the better overall team. The only team in the NFL where I feel like I don't know how we would fare and would have some concerns about the matchup would be against my wifes beloved 49ers, and something tells me our two teams are on a course to meet head to head in the Super Bowl. McCaffrey I think is legitimately in the MVP conversation with Allen and Purdy is playing at a top 5 QB level right now. Detractors can say its only because of the system he is in and that he is a system QB all they want...the bottom line is that doesn't matter when you line up against the Niners because he is playing in that system when he does and he is executing their game plan as good as any QB in the NFL is with their respective teams. I think the two best teams in the NFL are clear: Niners and Buffalo right now (Chris Berman will be proud). Things can change as the season goes on obviously, but today they are the two best teams, and since they don't play each other in the regular season, any other team Buffalo will face this regular season I expect we will be the Vegas betting favorites...including KC, Eagles, Dallas, Cincy, and Miami.

Josh Allen literally had a perfect passer rating, more TD's than incompletions. Not everyone can get all their touches every week and both Murray and Harris are also contributing and deserving of play time. There were no problems yesterday and Cook did great in pass pro too

No disrespect, but I don’t know anyone who thought Payton was gonna be a magic fix for the terrible Broncos team or that the Chargers were going to be much different as long as Staley was there and that bad defense. AFCE does have Bills and Dolphins and Jets lost Rodgers or they would have been there too. NFC is about what everyone expected for most part. I think you’re being a bit overly negative. Last nights game was a good one. Niners game was a good one as Cards hung in there and made it competitive. Cowboys game was enjoyable just watching the Pats get embarrassed is always great. The only thing I’ve hated this season is the Swift BS, like who cares that a pop singer is dating an NFL player. No NFL fans do, yet they beating that horse like no other. It’s fine to make a few comments or what not, but they cover her like she owns the Chiefs and has a brand partnership with the NFL.

But you see, that’s the issue, he was never 2nd best. All that was a media myth because his team reached a Super Bowl on the back of a dominant showing by his defense shutting down Mahomes and Chiefs for 3 points the entire second half of the AFCCG. Allens playoff stats literally dwarf Burrows pedestrian playoff stats. There is no metric where Burrow was ever the better QB, let alone 2nd best. He got gifted the title for 2 reasons…more draft hype and a SB appearance. Allen has played 8 playoff games, Burrow 7. Yet Allen despite having worse weapons has 20 TDs to Burrows 10. Burrow has a worse turnover ratio, worse QB rating, produces over 80 yards less per game, and has half the TD to turnover ratio as Allen. The only thing Burrow is better at is comp % which equates to just one more completion per game, literally. Over the last 2 regular seasons, Allen has only 3 more INTs than Burrow and that’s with Burrow having way better weapons with one of the best cast of weapons in the NFL both seasons. Not to mention that Josh Allen played with a hurt throwing elbow for half of one of those seasons and plays in worse weather. Burrow hasn’t accomplished nearly as much as Allen in terms of individual performance. But because his teams defense shut down Mahomes a week after our defense let Allen down with 13 seconds, he got elevated to 2nd best.