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And I will add that coming into this season, Allen had a better record than all of them not named Mahomes too...he wins...a lot. Even with this down year (thanks Dorsey) I think he would be among the top in terms of record since 2020.

Hurts had 2 turnovers.

Interesting, and thanks. Good work here

3 straight HOF QB's - crazy 😂

Nah, hes been gone long enough it wont mater. And he might want to try and upset them after they traded him anyway cuz they wanted to focus on Goedert.

There is one BIG factor that might save McD if we finish strong but still miss the playoffs. Dorsey. Averaging 20.5 points per game, never scoring over 25, during the easiest 6 game stretch of the season sunk this team. The defense played well enough for us to have won enough games to be the #1 seed right now, but the offense just couldn't score enough points. And the defense is the side missing top level players, offense has been healthy all year at all key positions for the most part. Brady coming out and showing what a difference removing Dorsey was could give McD some cushioning if we say go 4-1 down the stretch and miss the playoffs. Obviously if we keep losing more games, I don't think anything can save McD. And I agree, if we go 5-0 (6-1 since Dorsey was fired) to end the season, playoffs or no playoffs McD is probably safe. Im not saying what I think should happen...just what I think will happen.

Most likely goes home to Philly. If not, then it will likely be Ravens, KC, or maybe Cowboys. It wont be here, there is no role for him here.

Kurt Warner did a big film break down on the Jets INT's and he felt that 2 of them were on the either play design or the WR's running poor routes because the spacing between WR's was key to why those INT's happened. And we saw multiple times throughout the season where spacing on routes were causing issues with Dorsey. Then you add in Bills are 1-2 vs Jets (both losses to Wilson at QB) and avg 17.7 PPG with Dorsey at OC in 3 games never scoring over 20 and you see Brady led offense drop 32 in a game we probably score 40-50 had we not taken the foot off the gas for more than a quarter in a blow out win and it just lends even more credence to Dorsey being a big factor on the week 1 INT issues too.

Yeah, the Araiza situation was so crazy, couldn't believe how many wanted to hang him when there was clear evidence that suggested he might not even be involved. Including her dumb lawyer releasing her journal entries that stated the next morning she had no idea how she got in the room and no idea who was in the room, and questioned her own decisions being part of what happened. Then there were own friends giving statements Matt wasn't even at the house. Like all this came out the first 24 hours on top of no chargers ever being filed and just a lawyer going after money not justice who was trying to convict him in the court of public opinion on twitter. But even now with Von, like you said, its not that hard to get an arrest warrant, so I will wait until more is known. But not a good look and start when Von was previously investigated for DV in 2021 in Colorado and now has an actual arrest warrant issued.

LIke I did with Araiza, I will wait and see what happens and what comes out before I react to this. But obviously does not look good if its DV involving a pregnant woman. Guess if its true, he and Tyreek Hill can get some beers and talk about their baby mama dramas lol Sadly, the first thing that popped in my head was "will this allow us to get out of Von's contract" through a morality clause. Never gonna route for DV against women, but if this is true, that actually might help the Bills overall cuz he is useless on the field this year as it is and it would give us cap space next season.

2022 higher INT % than 2021. 2023 even higher INT % than 2022. Dorsey was the OC in 2022 and 2023 and it got worse both years. In 2 games immediately following Dorseys dismissal Offense is avg 13 PPG more than Dorseys final 6. During those 6 games, Dorsey led offense faced the weakest stretch of oppoosition on our schedule. Brady led offense after being thrown in mid season is avg 33 PPG and faced much tougher defenses in Jets and Philly. The Offense has not scored less than 32, 7 points more than the highest output in Dorsey's final 6 games. VS Jets, Dorsey led offense was 1-2 and averaged 17.7 PPG...Under Brady, we scored 32 even though we took our foot off the gas for the entire 4th quarter in a blowout. If you don't count the hail mary INT, Josh has 1 INT in 82 actual pass attempts which is a 1.2 INT% substantially lower than under Dorsey. Even if you count the hail mary, he is still significantly lower these 2 games than he was with Dorsey this season. There is no dismissing Dorsey from being a bit part of the problem. Doesn't mean there were not other mistakes or issues...but all teams have those by all players. But when the OC, or any coach, is fundamentally an issue then you will have inconsistency and players won't be in position to play their best. And that was the biggest issue with Dorsey, he was in over his head as a first time OC. Very well might learn what he needs to and grow and become a great OC one day, but he was hurting Allen and this offense and there is really no way refute that.

It climbed further this year under Dorsey too. So his two highest periods of his career were under Dorsey and getting worse. And again, Dorsey gone and Bills are avg 13 points per game more and against tougher competition. So everything still suggests Dorsey was a major issue for this offense and didn’t have Allen playing his best football either.

Then he got hurt and his first full season he had Higgins, Chase and Boyd. Allen spent 2 years throwing to scrubs on a team cutting players and eating dead cap space while Bengals were adding talent from the moment Burrow got there.

He is at 1.22% since Brady took over if you don't count the Hail Mary. 2 games is a small sample size, but its a substantial difference. Offense was avg 20.5 PPG final 6 games Dorsey was here against mostly pretty weak competition and 33 PPG against the stellar Jets D that smashed the Bills offense week 1 under Dorsey and a tough D from one of the best teams in the league on the road in Philly. In fact, Josh Allens INT % was 17% higher under Dorsey than Daboll, and that includes Daboll having to coach Allen his first 2 years as a RAW player with no weapons or talent around him to work with. Dorsey had prime Allen with Diggs and company, including this year which is probably the most talented offensive roster in the Beane/Allen ERA. So I think there it is safe to say that Dorsey is a big reason for that and it might just be different moving forward with Brady (or whoever if Brady isn't back next year).

Lost in this is that Josh Allen started his career off as RAW college prospect, forced to start game 1, with no talent around for 2 years on a franchise that was gutting its roster and cap space for a rebuild. His TD to Turnover ratio was 1.74 for 2018-2019 which drags his career number down and doesn't reflect the player he became. From 2020 on he above Burrow who started his career off with Tee Higgins and Chase after coming from a big college program, with better coaching, and more ready to play.

If that is the comparison you want to see, then go do the work and post a thread on it. You don't need to hijack another thread and try and get someone else to do the work for you that took the time to talk about something else.

LMAO you are kidding right? You can google "Josh Allen Interceptions" and find a long list too. And who does that? Turn on any of the mainstream sports shows and podcasts and they are always talking about interceptions. This is why its pointless to start threads on this board...honestly, prob be my last for a while.

And it is why coming into Philly that Dan Orlovsky pointed out that Josh was tied for 7th best with CJ Stroud on thowing the least amount of interceptable passes. He said that him leading the NFL still despite that in INT is a telling sign that his teammates are letting him down more than they should.

I addressed interceptions and frequency of them specifically for 3 reasons: 1. Almost every single person is referencing his interceptions in media. 2. Darius Slays comments after the Phi game saying that of course his INT totals will be higher with how much he has to throw. 3. The constant lazy Farve comparisons. This is literally why I looked into this and was curious to how Allen stacked up against not just Farve but other greats both recent and in the past. I did not start a thread about turnovers, fumbles or anything else...just fact checking where Allens interception rate was after Slays comments made me want to look into it. But others apparently have a different agenda...so be it.

LMAO, this is just getting comical now. I just can't explain this again...seriously my bad everyone for starting a thread about "interceptions" and expecting the conversation to be about "interceptions".

LMAO - so much for blocking me

What part of fumbles play into interception rate on passes attempted vs interceptions thrown? Still waiting for someone to answer that which is the topic of this thread despite the best efforts of some to change the topic to something else. This was about Allens int % compared to other greats to see how often it really is.

Still has nothing to do with the conversation around Josh's interception rate or this thread.

No, you only mentioned 56 fumbles and said those are not lost, but then didn't list the lost number of fumbles. If you know its 23 lost fumbles, then write 23 lost fumbles. Saying 56 and leaving a note that those arent all lost leaves it open to interpretation to seem worse than it is. 23 is a lot less than 56.

Josh Allen has 23 lost fumbles not 56. A fumble is not a turnover, a lost fumble is turnover. None the less, this isnt a thread about fumbles no matter how much you want to make it be.