Alphadawg7

While I don't disagree with you about spending that much to get a WR, especially in this draft, but there are quite a few big rookie WR seasons. Pakua last year for example, Justin Jefferson, AJ Brown, JaMarr Chase just to name a few recent ones...then you got guys like OBJ, Julio Jones, Randy Moss, Anquan Boldin, Keenan Allen, etc. But...again, still do not think trading our first and 2nd this year and a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd next year is worth doing for anything other than a premiere QB prospect. And I certainly would never spend that much to move up in a draft this rich at WR. I do however think it puts both Nabers and Odunze in play if one of them get into the mid teens with a QB run helping the cause. Best case scenario is if we see guys like Bowers at TE and then someone fall in love with Worthy's 40 time go before one of those 2 guys and we can get one of them into the back half of the teens. That is when I think Beane considers using next years first to go get the guy who fell there.

This. If he now uses that extra 2nd next year, or now feels like he can include our next years first given we have two 2nds now to go up and get someone like Odunze, Nabers, or even Thomas that will look a whole lot different than if we stay put at 28 and take another position then take a project WR like Legette in the 2nd. So I think until we see how this impacts this draft, its hard to grade. On the surface, it looks like weak value based on the kind of cap ramifications that came with it. But this could be a special draft for WR, and if gives Beane the room to go get one of the special prospects, then I think it significantly improves the grade.

Wonder who the target would be on a trade up...lots of assumptions its Thomas, but I can't help but wonder if its someone like Odunze or Nabers, which ever isn't the 2nd WR taken and gets into the teens potentially.

I thought if we traded him after June 1st people were saying his cap hit this year would be a lot less. That seemed to be what everyone was saying in the big Diggs thread.

Well at first thought, we got no picks in this draft. But if we wanted to be comfortable using next years assets to make a big move up, then I guess it makes some sense.

Its not the trade that is a surprise, I fully expected him to be traded next offseason. The surprise was to do it now instead of after June 1st to reduce the cap hits given we didn't get back a draft pick in this draft.

Actually, that is a good thought, I had not considered that when thinking about the draft ammo for this year. So yeah, actually this point makes a lot more sense. Still doesn't make me feel good about our comp in this trade weighed with the cap issues it comes with, but you made a very good point on how it might impact their mindset on being aggressive to go up for a WR.

Yeah, I know that. Just meant we gave up some trade ammo in this trade too to get back a marginal amount of trade ammo for this draft if that was the mindset.

Yeah, Beane will take that road...but someone always leaks something somewhere...so I think something is gonna come out to make this a bit clearer. I mean Beane just gave Diggs a big vote of confidence recently...Diggs recently said he hopes to stay here and retire a Bill...Josh has been talking up their relationship. So...just seems like there was more going on in the backend than we know and I have a feeling something will start coming out painting a fuller picture.

I mean I guess they could see it as more ammo to move up, but a 2nd next year is worth like a 3rd this year, so it doesn't give us that much more ammo to move up, and we lost 2 more picks too in the trade. So if that is the case, it really isn't moving the needle that much. In fact, I think I would rather have 2 second round picks next year then waste that chasing a rookie in what is a very deep WR draft.

Yeah, and I was saying all offseason I felt there was no way we would trade Diggs before the draft and take on that much dead cap hit unless something behind the scenes forced the issue. And thus far, nothing has come out that would qualify as significant enough to make this move. So it makes me wonder what we are going to find out now that Diggs has been moved. Seems like this had to be an "addition by subtraction" move in Beanes eyes to take on that dead cap and not even get a pick in this WR rich draft back. I mean he didn't even wait until after June 1st when the cap was less of a hit which would have made more business sense given we got no picks back in this draft. So I am really curious to what we are gonna hear that was going on behind the scenes that he had to make this move and take this weak compensation back.

Football wise...I am EXCITED about the roles of Shakir and Kincaid expanding. Management wise, I am puzzled why we didn't do this after June 1st and lessen the cap burden given we didn't get back any draft capital in this draft. I am actually not that concerned about the offense, I think we will still be an elite offense, I mean we were last year and went 6-1 with our WR1 and WR2 producing very little in that time last year. I just don't understand the timing if we didn't get a pick in this draft.

I don’t know, but hope that’s the case

Why would we not wait until after June 1st to lessen the blow if there was no picks we were getting in this draft? That makes no sense to me

Wow, we got no picks this year. 2025 2nd rounder via Vikings. We sent them Diggs, 6th this year and 5th next year.

Ha all good. I mean the cap hit on this gross, really surprised they did pulled the trigger this year, it makes me wonder if something happened behind the scenes that is gonna come out after the fact.

Well that’s because I thought we wouldn’t take the cap hit and would wait until next year. I mean a lot of us thought the same, including you lol. The one thing that excites me about this is what this means for Shakir. I think he could be a 1000 yard WR now for us this next season and I can’t wait to see him in an expanded role.

Thanks for sharing this, nice find Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if this changes multiple more times in the weeks coming up, but I think it does certainly support what I am being told and believe, that Maye is very much in play still in Washington at #2.

Its probably more that maybe Jayden is the front runner, but I am told they haven't made a final decision. Im just relaying what they told me, and the person I am talking to has direct inside insight in Washington. All they said was that both still have their supporters (didn't indicate how much for either) and they don't feel they need to rush the final decision and still discussing all options. But take that FWIW, just something being passed down, have no idea how accurate it is or isn't, just sharing.

They said that about Darnold going to the Browns before it came down to Baker or Allen. I have heard some things from people I trust who have been reliable that Maye is still very much in play for Commanders. Still very well could be Daniels, but from I am hearing is that both Maye and Daniels have their supporters within the Commanders and that they are both still being openly discussed and weighed.

Yeah nothing wrong with your pick, I get your logic even though I’m more doubtful they go WR in the real draft at this spot after signing Ridley. Still understand why you made it though

I think it’s a sure bet that 4 QBs going top 10 and might even be the first 4 picks in the draft because Minnesota is clearly positioning themselves to trade up for a QB starting as early as the 4th pick and on. And if I am the Cardinals I would trade down easily and still land one of the top WRs while picking up a lot of premium draft capital.

Talent wise, this would be a great pic and I get why you made it. However, I just have a hard time accepting the Titans will go WR here anymore after spending big on Ridley. There is a lot of talent in this spot at major areas of need for them and Titans aren’t a team in position to make luxury pick here IMHO. In fact, my personal feeling is that I think they spent the money on Ridley so they could go another direction here in the draft. Obviously he is worthy of this selection, just don’t see it anymore after signing Ridley. But that’s just my 2 cents, who knows Titans may see it different and want to stack the WR room.

I picked on what I think the commanders are gonna do. I’ve heard Mayes name is very much still in play. I mean that’s a personal opinion and one you’re certainly entitled too. But odds are Maye is gonna go top 5 and could still go 2nd. PS: Many also said that about Allen in regards to Rosen. Never a good idea to condemn a player or annoit a player before they have stepped on the football field. Plenty of sure things busted and plenty of guys labeled busts before playing went on to be great.

Durability was a factor that played into the thought process. But IMHO I think Maye has maybe the highest ceiling in the draft even if his floor is maybe lower than the others. But I think the Josh Allen affect comes into play here where they see some traits you can't teach and trust in their ability to harness and develop those and go with the upside here. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they went Daniels though, I don't disagree he is the safer pick and they may want to play it safe. I just think when you are in full reboot mode, there is no better time to take a big swing. Worst case you still suck 2 years from now and have a high pick to try again. But if you hit, you could be sitting on an absolute stud for the next 10+ plus years.