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There are some posters around here that we should order some welfare checks on now to make sure they are ok on the back of this news 😂

Hahaha yup. He honestly doesn't know these players at all outside googling stats after which he runs to the board and boasts he knows everything about them. He also LOVVVVVVESSSS to cherry pick obscure points, stats, or info to manipulate information for confirmation bias of his less informed opinion that is entirely based on googling stats. He doesn't even seem to understand that Harty isn't a direct replacement of McKenzie either. Like I said in an earlier post to I think Happy...these guys don't need to come in and have career pro bowl years, nor was that what they were brought in to do. Diggs, Davis, and Knox are going to be the biggest parts of the pass game, at least until Kincaid integrates into a primary weapon. If Sherfield can exceed Kumerows whopping 4 receptions last year, its already an improvement. Harty isn't being asked to replace McKenzie as the full time slot either, he is coming in as a deep threat who can take the top off the D when needed, something McKenzie absolutely sucked at. Kincaid and Shakir are going to take the lions share of the "slot" targets this year, both should easily be better than McKenzie was and they will almost certainly combine to exceed the production we got from the combo of McKenzie and Beasley later in the year. If we get Hopkins, that would be SICK and I would be stoked. But it doesn't seem to be too likely at this point, although I will never count Beane out. But if we don't, this offense (which has been 2nd by only 5 total points to KC in scoring over the last 3 seasons) is poised to be better than it was last year with the upgrades across the OL and improvements to the weapons and RB's around Josh. Im much more concerned about Dorsey making the strides as an OC this year this team needs him to make than missing out on Hopkins.

So let me get this straight...I am literally mocking this ridiculous notion Josh Reed was ever seen as a future pro bowler after his rookie as you claimed...while you simultaneously lump me into this make believe crowd as someone who believed he would be a pro bowler? Bahahahahaha, wake me when you post anything that makes sense or has a rational thought for once.

Bahaha, come on man, your Josh Reed stuff makes it impossible to take anything else seriously. No amount of nonsense spinning can be done to paint some ridiculous picture that people thought Josh Reed was gonna be a pro bowler after his rookie year. His 37 catch rookie year LMAO. And if anyone did, they need to stop drinking when evaluating players. There wasn't a single moment of Josh Reeds career where anyone looked and said that dudes a future pro-bowler. And I actually liked Reed...but I liked him for what he was, an ok possession guy, nothing more, nothing less.

I didn’t say Sherfield was better than Brandon or Deebo, I said when they were rookies he beat them out decisively and still wasn’t given a chance to play because they just invested high draft picks in the other two. Coaches literally told him he deserves to start but the call came down he won’t be as they want to look at the other guys who they used high picks on. My issue with the arguments you’re making is that you don’t actually know anything about these players beyond googling stats, and that is the issue I originally brought up. Stat sheets alone lack context. if you actually dig into the player, their story, abilities, weaknesses, tape, etc you will know a lot more about them to make more informed opinions on who they are as a player and how they might fit into the team taking over someone else’s role who is now gone. Foster got in the doghouse and didn’t see the field. That’s why he didn’t do anything in his 2nd year. Lol, no one thought Josh Reed was a future pro bowler after his rookie year 😂😂😂 And if they did, maybe they should stop drinking while making evaluations. That honestly might be the most ridiculous comment I’ve read in a while lol. Sherfield is without question a better WR than Kumerow. In SF he was behind Deebo and Aiyuk…in Miami behind Hill and Waddle. He’s found ways to contribute even behind pro bowl level players. Kumerow can’t even get on the field on teams who needed WR help. In GB, Rodgers loved him and he still couldn’t get on the field. In a pass happy offense in Buffalo, he couldn’t get on the field even when there were injuries or struggles by other WRs. So the coaches on every team Kumerow has been on don’t seem to think much of him as a WR, so I’ll trust their opinions and what I have seen from him rather than you just saying otherwise for the sake of complaining about Sherfield.

Bengals have all their top 3 players of Burrow, Chase and Higgins on rookie deals, how are they spending more than us? That’s not even comparable. KC got rid of Hill rather than pay him, and filled his spot with mediocre players. Ravens have deprived Lamar of weapons his whole career and now just paid OBJ less than we pay Diggs. Sorry, not picking on you, but none of this is accurate either.

Agreed, and they need Dorsey to absolutely be better too. Dorsey really struggled utilizing the talent on the roster last year and integrating them on the field. But he was a rookie OC, so the hope is with a year under his belt he will better adjust this year and find ways to use the talent that is here properly.

I don't disagree that Hopkins would do all that, as I have stated many times over, I would love to get Hopkins here. All I am saying is that I feel better about the offense around Josh right now than I did about the offense around him in the Bengals game. And, to be honest, I am not counting on them to be much more than they have been. Diggs, Davis, and Knox are still here, they are going to have the biggest roles in this offense still. Sherfield doesn't have to be more than he has been in the past, he just has to be more than Kumerow which isn't much. Harty doesn't even have to give us more than McKenzie, because the slot position is gonna be handled by Shakir, Kincaid, and probably some Harty. So Harty doesn't have to do much more than he has. You see that is the point...this notion they have to be a lot more than they have or the rookie has to have some huge season is just the wrong way to look at it. We need to be collectively better as an offense, and that means better OL protection, getting more out of our RB's, as well as mixing in the new with the old in terms of the weapons around Josh. That is why I am not concerned on if we get Hopkins or not, there is enough talent on this football team to play as a unit on the field for this offense to once again be the #1 offense in the NFL. Over the last 3 seasons, this offense is the 2nd highest scoring offense in the NFL to KC by only 5 total points. Not to mention we are 2-1 against them the last 2 seasons and should be 3-0 if not for an inept defensive meltdown in the playoffs. Meanwhile, our defense has literally pooped the bed in every post season loss we have had in the Allen era.

Not sure why you say we dont want to spend on offense...is it just because they haven't signed Hopkins? We paid Allen, Diggs, and Knox very good money. They spent a lot (a first and 4th) just to get Diggs. They just used our first round pick on a receiving weapon at TE and our 2nd round pick on an OG. They spent money on the OL, more WR's, and then added 2 more accomplished RB's to compliment Cook and Hines. I mean most teams don't go out and pay top WR money to have 2 elite WR's, especially teams with big QB contracts. Teams like Cincy have them because they are on rookie contracts and so is their QB. Chargers did it because their QB was on a rookie deal and Allen will gone by the time they pay Justin. Miami paid Hill cuz Tua was on a rookie deal and so is Waddle. I mean no disrespect at all, but this notion we arent spending or investing in the offense isn't really accurate.

Like I said, injury's with him are a valid concern. I will add that other players have had injury issues before coming to Buffalo and the excellent facilities and staff have helped some of them lessen the frequency. Gaines, Brown, Johnson, Poyer, etc to name a few. No guarantees of course, but Harty is still a better football player. Here you go again, lumping me into Crowder stuff. Go check my history, during training camp I said Crowder is the best slot guy on the roster in camp last year IF he can stay healthy. I had no preconceived notions that he was going to for sure stay healthy. And in fact, if you go back to preseason, I was very anti-McKenzie as a starter and thought Shakir would emerge as the starter by end of season because I felt an injury to Crowder at some point would open up that door. Big difference though, is Harty is not coming in to have a heavy role like a starting slot WR that they hoped Crowder could handle. So if Harty goes down, its not the end of the world for the offense like when Crowder got hurt and we got stuck with McKenzie as the starter by default who sucked. Hard disagree on Sherfield = Kumerow 2.0. I have followed this kid since he was in SF, he flat out beat out Brandon Aiyuk and Deebo by outplaying them both all camp and preseason, but then was told he wouldn't start or play much because they had too much invested in those other guys and they wanted to see them play. Not saying Sherfield is some future pro-bowler, but Kumerow is not a regular contributor in the NFL as a WR. You tend to cherry pick a play or two you don't like and then project that over a players whole career. I have seen Diggs drop TD passes too, but it didn't define him, so why do you focus so hard on one or two plays as if those completely define that player and ignore the other attributes they bring to the table?

I mean if you add Hopkins, its still all on Josh to read the defenses and make the plays to get him the ball. I honestly don't think we will need to rely on Allen to do everything this year, with or without Hopkins. The biggest issue last year was OL protection, that has been upgraded as has the RB's and weapons around Josh.

One, injury history is a valid concern on Harty, no doubt about that. But his on field ability as a WR is still better than McKenzie. Two, all I said is that a second year player is going to better than they were as a rookie. I said nothing about what he will achieve other than that second year version of Shakir is better than the same rookie Shakir who had never taken an NFL snap. That is fact. Three, why do you keep bringing up Crowder to me? I’ve never once mentioned him. He did not take an NFL snap for the Bills in his career outside of preseason. He has no relevancy on comparing the WRs set to play this year versus the ones who stepped on the field last year. Crowder obviously had a better resume and was a more proven commodity, except he never took a snap here and is gone. This year, Sheffield replaces Kumerow. That is an improvement. Harty replaces McKenzie, that is an improvement factoring in ability but has some injury risk. Shakir (2nd year) replaces Shakir (rookie) and that is an improvement just on the experience alone. We still have Kincaid, the OL upgrades, and RB upgrades factoring in as well. We are in better shape on paper heading into training camp than how we closed last season against the Bengals.

Shakir year 2 > Shakir year 1. That is just basic fact he has more experience in the NFL and our offense at this point. And sorry, your no context stat sheet evaluations that don't factor in injuries, teams, who the QB was, etc are not how you evaluate if one player is better or not than the player they are replacing. If you can watch Kumerow play and watch Sherfield play and not see that Sherfield is clealry a better WR, then I don't know what to tell you Same goes for McKenzie vs Harty. McKenzie only positive trait besides his personality is his speed, which he wasn't good at maximizing. He struggles to track the ball, so for all that speed he isn't a guy who can take the top off the defense, plus he is a below average route runner with questionable hands who can't catch in traffic or fight for yards. Harty is a legit deep ball threat, a dimension this offense has lacked. He is faster and can handle any of the gimmick plays that McKenzie was better suited for while also adding pressure to the defense as a deep ball guy. No one is saying those guys are as good as Hopkins, but they are better players than the guys they are replacing and Shakir should be better in his 2nd year than his first, especially with increased opportunities. And that Shakir drop you referenced is comically understating the difficulty of that catch. It wasn't a gimme between the catch, the tackle and impact. Ive seen Diggs drop easier catches, so to cherry pick that one and doom the kids future is pretty ridiculous. Individual stats coming from completely different systems and circumstances are categorically inaccurate way to evaluate the abilty of each player. Especially considering Kumerow and McKenzie got to play with one of the best QB's in the NFL.

Dont get me wrong, I am as high on Hopkins as you are. He was excellent last season and would love to add him. Just feel like our offense can afford to not have him more than our defense could afford to not have both Poyer and Floyd.

I know you are saying maybe, so isn't really directed at you so much...but no way I would take Hopkins over both Floyd and Poyer. People are sleeping on the value of adding Floyd IMHO, and Poyer was (and has been) one of the most impactful players in our defense for several seasons now, especially last year. I get he is "aging" but he isn't washed yet either when talking about what to expect this year. And Poyer is the same age as Hopkins, so the aging thing is a wash. I would LOVE to add Hopkins, don't get me wrong, but people grossly misplace their disgust with the receivers after last years playoff loss. We would have lost that game even if we had Hopkins last year. This notion we had no weapons is a myth. We had a TE who had 15 TD's the last 2 seasons despite not being heavily involved in the pass game with the need for him to help the OL. We had 2 RB's who were supposed to be receiving weapons in Hines and Cook that we basically ignored in our offense as receivers by Dorsey. We had a top 5 WR (something only 4 other teams can say) and Davis who despite his flaws, still has shown capable of making plays. Our team collectively crapped the bed, and the OL was atrocious. We had guys open that Josh couldn't get to with how bad the OL was playing. Plus, Josh started trying to press and force plays when things were not going his way. Under no circumstance did we lose to the Bengals because no one was open. And our defense laid down like a doormat versus the Bengals both in the brief regular season game and the playoffs. Just like it did the whole game vs KC the year before in the 13 second debacle. This season...we have Kincaid, Shakir with a years experience, noticeable upgrades to Kumerow and McKenzie with Sherfield and Harty respectively, plus an upgraded OL to go with it. And now McD is calling plays and all the talk is about a more aggressive defense where guys like Floyd, Rousseau, Von, Oliver, etc should benefit from getting more chances to get to the QB, not to mention Tre now further in his recovery and Elam a season under his belt. Hyde is back too to go along with better depth at safety and corner this year. So I would love Hopkins, but he is not such a need that it would be worth weakening our defense by 2 impact players headed into a season where Frazier is finally gone and McD is coming in with a more aggressive mentality on calling the D that might have gotten us to the SB 2 years ago had it happened before the KC game. Just my 2 cents...again, love to bring Hopkins here still, but I would not give up 2 impact defenders to do so in a conference we need to face other potent offenses. Especially when talking post season bad weather games where the passing game is often less effective.

No disrespect intended here, but that isn't exactly what happened though, and people took "its not football related" way too literally. And just being honest, you seem to be basing your whole assumptions on how you personally interpreted that statement, not actual information that has since come out. I mean, it was at a football camp, amidst the football players/coaches, with a football player unhappy...so it was obviously football related. Josh saying "its not football related" had more to do with the media's wild speculation he wasn't happy here, wants a trade, and all the other defcon 5 click bait stories they were putting out. The issue Diggs had that day had everything to do with football. In fact, everything that has come out from actual people involved with the team has suggested it had to do with communication issues and how Diggs was used in the back half of the season, which is something Diggs has also directly stated in interviews. No disrespect, but the stuff you are saying is more just wild interpretations than factual things that have come out about the situation by everyone in the actual know of what was going on.

Oh yeah, not saying what he said was unreasonable, and match up better also means an easier matchup. But yes, it was specifically that Bengals were better than Bills and that KC matches up better with Buffalo as the two statements. I am assuming he is referring to their offense vs our defense in the matchup comment as Bengals had more success disrupting their offense than we had

Saw this, Mahomes said Bengals are better team, but Bills have a chance with them missing OL. Also said he would rather play the Bengals even though he felt Bills were easier matchup. Interesting considering he last the last 2 reg season games against Bills and took a miracle moment to beat the Bills in the playoff game. But then again they had not beat the Bengals yet, so I get the motivation.

I have to agree here...this isn't that big of a deal other than just makes him look like a douche.

Personally, I think people took that too literally. I mean by the very fact it was a football player at a mandatory camp unhappy with something that was related to himself and the team in some capacity means it is in some capacity a football related issue. Josh stating it wasn't football related I think had more to do with trying to calm all media hoopla that Diggs didn't want to be in Buffalo, Bills may need to trade him etc. But everything credible that came out seemed it wasn't that serious, and had more to do with some things between him and most likely the offensive coaches. Things like communication issues, concerns with how he was used second half of last year, etc. Either way, Josh has professed his love for Diggs many times now, and Diggs has shown that love back publicly too. Whatever it was, it seems to be in the past and the relationship between Allen and Diggs seems to be just fine.

Luck was good, not great. He was actually not very good in crunch time or the playoffs. He has a reputation that exceeds his resume. He didn't suck by any means, but he was the QB's position of Jadeveon Clowney on being over rated off of college draft hype. A pretty good player whose reputation was greater than their results. If it was the "Hall of pretty good" then sure, but not only does he not have the longevity, he doesn't have the accolades. He was always pretty good and obviously talented, but lore is greater than his resume. In 2015, Colts were 2-5 with Andrew Luck and 5-3 with old man Hasselbeck who was in his final season in the NFL. Luck only had 2 really good seasons (like top 5 type play) in 2014 and 2018. He had a good season in 2017, but nothing that I would say screams HOF. There is false myth that injuries cut his career short, yet outside of 2015 he only missed one other game his whole career. He screwed over the Colts, his teammates and the fans when he quit on his team just before the season started despite missing just one game over the previous 2 seasons. He pretty much sucked in the playoffs the 4 seasons his Colts reached them (8 games in total) 2013 he had his best output in yards and TD's, but in 2 games he still through 7 INTs to just 6 TDs and got blown out by NE in the 2nd round. Outside 2013, the other 6 playoff games he averaged 246 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT per game. If he makes the HOF, then the HOF is a sham. There are so many deserving players yet to get in, and if Luck gets in over them it will be a grave injustice to those who accomplished a lot more and for a longer time than Luck.

This drama had nothing to do with Allens personal life, and it stemmed from how Diggs was being used the 2nd half of the season when his usage when noticeably down compared to the first half of the season. Diggs has even discussed this in interviews how he felt like even though they still won, things were just harder and not going smoother like earlier in the year. He was frustrated with his role decreasing while the struggles as an offense and team as a whole were increasing.

Maybe to those how have this false hope he might still come here...but the reality is that ship sailed a long time ago, so this really was insignificant other than him just pointing out that another fake rumor was BS.

OMG this thread is hilarious. This isn’t rocket science. DHop gave an emoticon response directed at calling the reported rumor BS. It literally means nothing else so stop trying to read more into it.